Still though, I'm not sure that protesting the Brietbart editor in that way gives validity to the cause. He's essentially a blog editor. It's a bit much. If it was Trump, Bannon, Vietnam, Desert Storm, okay, but some douchebag with a big mouth and nothing to say?
Arson & property destruction can be fun for Youth, but it tends to cast an unwholesome light upon whatever their cause might be.
Once the violence and breaking windows of University buildings gets happening, average citizens tend to regard that as a "Riot" rather than "Peaceful Protest".
It might be fun, but if any of them get arrested, they will eventually have to pay for fines & legal fees.
Yeah I am not getting how anything was accomplished by rioting and shutting down the evil fool's event, aside from giving him lots more free publicity than he should ever have had.
Mission accomplished, but gee, why is he evil? Because he believes in LIBERTARIANISM?
I really don';t get it. Deadheads are supposed to be FREE Thinkers, not "SHUTTING DOWN" ANYONE!
Why are you/these idiots soooo afraid to DEBATE. If your ideas are soooo geat, let's have the denate. SHUTTING DOWN your opposition simply because you disagree and apparently can't ARTICULATE you opinion, is about as UNAmerican as it gets.
MORE SPEECH, ANY SPEECH, EVEN THE SPEECH YOU DESPISE!!! The AMERICAN WAY!!!!!
JUST SAY NO to BULLIES!!!
Imagine if the roles were reversed, and say a gay Left Winger was to speak at say Liberty University, and the students "rose up" and SHUT THAT PERSON DOWN, simply for disagreeing, how do you think THAT would go over?!?! yet the Left gets a pass for their Gestapo tactics, their INTolerance, their facism.
Right, these MISLED/MIS-EDUCATED/IGNORANT CHILDREN need to grow the fuck up and learn to SPEAK, you know, while it's still free.
^Now that's messed up. I didn't see any indication that UC Berkeley (or their Police Force) did anything to encourage this.
I don't know much about this Milo dude, but my wife says that he was kicked off of Twitter. That should say something right there. I still think that he should've been able to go ahead with his speech, but apparently a sizeable group of people thought otherwise.
I don't condone anything that people did to hurt others or destroy property in MY community. That's bullshit.
>>>>why is he evil? Because he believes in LIBERTARIANISM?
is it libertarian to install a sex-based cap on women being allowed to attend science classes? That doesn't sound very libertarian. He's just a nasty troll. As always, I agree with the "don't feed the trolls" ethos. On the other hand, his events have been shut down at just about every stop on his college tour. I would not be surprised if he has his own people out there making sure that happens. And of course, Antifa. Either way, everyone pretty much knows that this is a traveling shitshow so if you book him assume that you are scheduling a riot.
A brief word about another malicious Trump tweet from this morning, that touches particiularly close to home: "If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?"
Trump confuses the University of California at Berkeley --which in fact granted Brietbart New’s Milos Yiannopoulos the right to speak on campus, even though Yiannopoulos spouts vile hate-filled nonsense -- with violent protestors (apparently from outside the university) who necessitated the cancellation of his speech last night when conditions became dangerously unsafe.
Worse, Trump’s veiled threat about federal funding is meant to intimidate people at this university -- and, indirectly at every other one – by implying he has the power to withhold funds if universities don’t act the way Trump likes.
If anyone is a threat to free speech in America, it is Donald Trump. Every day, it seems, we drift closer to totalitarianism.
Last night, February 1, while I was teaching, a number of people came to the Berkeley campus to hear a speaker invited by the Berkeley College Republicans. A larger number came to peacefully demonstrate against the speaker--to express their belief that the speaker was not invited because people thought that he had great and important insights about politics and moral philosophy, but rather because he is a specialist in making Asian, Hispanic, African-American, Muslim, and other minorities feel small and unsafe.
About 20 "anarchists" used violence to upset this peaceful civil society gathering, and the police decided that the danger to life and limb was too great to allow the talk to proceed. This is a great loss: a university is, first, a safe space for ideas, and if members of the university to whom it has delegated the power to invite speakers do invite a speaker, that speaker should speak. This is part of a pattern of protests in Berkeley being disrupted by "anarchists" with goals unrelated to those of the university and its community. This is a shame. You cannot learn anything except by listening to the great insights of people who think differently from you: that is what a university is for. The "anarchists" do not understand what a university is.
A university is both a safe space in which ideas are to be expressed and a space in which those ideas are to be evaluated. When one sets forth ideas or causes ideas to be set forth in a university, one is doing so because one believes that these ideas are--potentially, at least--great ones. In so doing, members of the university are accountable only to, as Berkeley Professor Ernst Kantorowicz said in the 1940s, "their conscience and their God".
If the members of the Berkeley Republican Club believe that their invited speaker has ideas about politics and moral philosophy that are--even potentially--great, I really wish that they would explain why they think they are great. They have a duty to the university to do so. But perhaps they invited their speaker because they hoped he would make African-American, Asian, Hispanic, Muslim, and other minority members of the university feel small and unsafe. If so they need to examine their consciences and pray to their gods, and think hard about whether they understand the purpose of a university.
For a university is not just a safe space for ideas to be expressed, and a place where such ideas are then to be examined and assessed, but it is also a safe space for scholars. All members of the university have a duty to make all other members feel welcome, and feel that they belong. Violations of that basic courtesy also cast doubt on whether people understand the purpose of a university, and, indeed, whether their time ought to be spent outside one.
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poor Nazi is whining that the
poor Nazi is whining that the mean leftists chased him away from the campus.
boo fucking hoo
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WOW! I am watching it live.
WOW! I am watching it live. Same thing happened at UC Davis. The crowd is only getting bigger.
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The irony is that he's Jewish
The irony is that he's Jewish and gay.
Still though, I'm not sure that protesting the Brietbart editor in that way gives validity to the cause. He's essentially a blog editor. It's a bit much. If it was Trump, Bannon, Vietnam, Desert Storm, okay, but some douchebag with a big mouth and nothing to say?
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Arson & property destruction
Arson & property destruction can be fun for Youth, but it tends to cast an unwholesome light upon whatever their cause might be.
Once the violence and breaking windows of University buildings gets happening, average citizens tend to regard that as a "Riot" rather than "Peaceful Protest".
It might be fun, but if any of them get arrested, they will eventually have to pay for fines & legal fees.
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I use to live in Berkeley,
I used to live in Berkeley, and was proud to live in a place that was home to the university that symbolized the free speech movement of the 60's.
Why did protesters want to squelch his free speech? What has he said that has the protesters in such a frenzy?
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I free speech!
I
free speech!
I might not like what you have to say but I love the fact you can say it!
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Tricky business.
Tricky business.
Protesting something and not allowing something to be said are two very different things.
Darn those anarchists.
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Yeah I am not getting how
Yeah I am not getting how anything was accomplished by rioting and shutting down the evil fool's event, aside from giving him lots more free publicity than he should ever have had.
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"Institution of Higher
Institution of Higher Learning ?
idiots
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agent provocateurs ..its all
agent provocateurs ..its all apart of the Nazi bag of tricks...
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Babies/Bullies/ RIOT Live in
Babies/Bullies/ RIOT Live in Berkeley.
There fixed that for ya.
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shutting down the evil fool's
shutting down the evil fool's event.>>>
Mission accomplished, but gee, why is he evil? Because he believes in LIBERTARIANISM?
I really don';t get it. Deadheads are supposed to be FREE Thinkers, not "SHUTTING DOWN" ANYONE!
Why are you/these idiots soooo afraid to DEBATE. If your ideas are soooo geat, let's have the denate. SHUTTING DOWN your opposition simply because you disagree and apparently can't ARTICULATE you opinion, is about as UNAmerican as it gets.
MORE SPEECH, ANY SPEECH, EVEN THE SPEECH YOU DESPISE!!! The AMERICAN WAY!!!!!
JUST SAY NO to BULLIES!!!
Imagine if the roles were reversed, and say a gay Left Winger was to speak at say Liberty University, and the students "rose up" and SHUT THAT PERSON DOWN, simply for disagreeing, how do you think THAT would go over?!?! yet the Left gets a pass for their Gestapo tactics, their INTolerance, their facism.
Right, these MISLED/MIS-EDUCATED/IGNORANT CHILDREN need to grow the fuck up and learn to SPEAK, you know, while it's still free.
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And not break stuff
And not break stuff
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https://twitter.com
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827112633224544256
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^Now that's messed up. I
^Now that's messed up. I didn't see any indication that UC Berkeley (or their Police Force) did anything to encourage this.
I don't know much about this Milo dude, but my wife says that he was kicked off of Twitter. That should say something right there. I still think that he should've been able to go ahead with his speech, but apparently a sizeable group of people thought otherwise.
I don't condone anything that people did to hurt others or destroy property in MY community. That's bullshit.
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<agent provocateurs ..its all
<agent provocateurs ..its all apart of the Nazi bag of tricks...>
These guys have nothing on the biggest agent provocateur on the planet, George Soros.
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THATS RIGHT BROTHER LASSEN
THATS RIGHT BROTHER LASSEN YOU TELL EM!!!!
DONT FORGET PIZZAGATE EITHER!!!
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^dude, your trolling is weak.
^dude, your trolling is weak. give it up
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The only thing weak is your
The only thing weak is your lack of commitment to the anti-pedophile movement. Get with the program or get out of the way.
And I get your act now, "bro".
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>>>>why is he evil? Because
>>>>why is he evil? Because he believes in LIBERTARIANISM?
is it libertarian to install a sex-based cap on women being allowed to attend science classes? That doesn't sound very libertarian. He's just a nasty troll. As always, I agree with the "don't feed the trolls" ethos. On the other hand, his events have been shut down at just about every stop on his college tour. I would not be surprised if he has his own people out there making sure that happens. And of course, Antifa. Either way, everyone pretty much knows that this is a traveling shitshow so if you book him assume that you are scheduling a riot.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/15/heres-why-there-ought...
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JUST SAY NO to BULLIES!!!>>>>
JUST SAY NO to BULLIES!!!>>>>
You mean like spoiled brat Donnie, the crybaby, potbellied, horrifying king of the Repugnant Party????
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Not understanding free speech
Not understanding free speech.
no platform is guaranteed.
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Robert Reich:
Robert Reich:
A brief word about another malicious Trump tweet from this morning, that touches particiularly close to home: "If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?"
Trump confuses the University of California at Berkeley --which in fact granted Brietbart New’s Milos Yiannopoulos the right to speak on campus, even though Yiannopoulos spouts vile hate-filled nonsense -- with violent protestors (apparently from outside the university) who necessitated the cancellation of his speech last night when conditions became dangerously unsafe.
Worse, Trump’s veiled threat about federal funding is meant to intimidate people at this university -- and, indirectly at every other one – by implying he has the power to withhold funds if universities don’t act the way Trump likes.
If anyone is a threat to free speech in America, it is Donald Trump. Every day, it seems, we drift closer to totalitarianism.
What do you think?
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It's strange how roughly a
It's strange how roughly a hundred people smashed windows, set fires and pepper sprayed innocent bystanders, but not one arrest was made.
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Berkeley Econ Prof Brad
Berkeley Econ Prof Brad delong:
http://www.bradford-delong.com/2017/02/statement-for-the-bbc-on-the-disr...
Last night, February 1, while I was teaching, a number of people came to the Berkeley campus to hear a speaker invited by the Berkeley College Republicans. A larger number came to peacefully demonstrate against the speaker--to express their belief that the speaker was not invited because people thought that he had great and important insights about politics and moral philosophy, but rather because he is a specialist in making Asian, Hispanic, African-American, Muslim, and other minorities feel small and unsafe.
About 20 "anarchists" used violence to upset this peaceful civil society gathering, and the police decided that the danger to life and limb was too great to allow the talk to proceed. This is a great loss: a university is, first, a safe space for ideas, and if members of the university to whom it has delegated the power to invite speakers do invite a speaker, that speaker should speak. This is part of a pattern of protests in Berkeley being disrupted by "anarchists" with goals unrelated to those of the university and its community. This is a shame. You cannot learn anything except by listening to the great insights of people who think differently from you: that is what a university is for. The "anarchists" do not understand what a university is.
A university is both a safe space in which ideas are to be expressed and a space in which those ideas are to be evaluated. When one sets forth ideas or causes ideas to be set forth in a university, one is doing so because one believes that these ideas are--potentially, at least--great ones. In so doing, members of the university are accountable only to, as Berkeley Professor Ernst Kantorowicz said in the 1940s, "their conscience and their God".
If the members of the Berkeley Republican Club believe that their invited speaker has ideas about politics and moral philosophy that are--even potentially--great, I really wish that they would explain why they think they are great. They have a duty to the university to do so. But perhaps they invited their speaker because they hoped he would make African-American, Asian, Hispanic, Muslim, and other minority members of the university feel small and unsafe. If so they need to examine their consciences and pray to their gods, and think hard about whether they understand the purpose of a university.
For a university is not just a safe space for ideas to be expressed, and a place where such ideas are then to be examined and assessed, but it is also a safe space for scholars. All members of the university have a duty to make all other members feel welcome, and feel that they belong. Violations of that basic courtesy also cast doubt on whether people understand the purpose of a university, and, indeed, whether their time ought to be spent outside one.
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