A question on intelligence

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Did intelligence create the universe or did the universe create intelligence? Can both be true?  Or are there other alternatives?  I've thought both at various times in my life; currently I'm not sure and I'm hoping someone might add a third or fourth option that I haven't thought of. 

My carnivorous plants resent the personification of the concept of intelligence, little bad asses that they are!!!

The universe is too random to be the result of some "intelligent design".

So, the opposite must be true.

We don't know how it happened.

We may never know.

 

Just as we may never know what triggered the universe into being in the first place.

Is it easier to believe "something" was always there, or easier to believe something came out of nothing?

No one will ever know. so I really don't spend any time contemplating.  That is what religions can waste time on.

How do you like your eggs? Before or after the chicken?

This guy programmed some creatures. They Evolved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tRFayqVtk&ab_channel=davidrandallmiller

It really starts to clarify things when you can run thousands of generations in minutes.

The faster we go, the rounder we get. 

>>>>The universe is too random to be the result of some "intelligent design"

Please don't ask me to explain this, because I won't be able to, but according to the people who make a living thinking about this stuff the universe is more likely to be a designed simulation than it is to be a natural occurrence. That said just because it is a simulation doesn't mean the creators of that simulation have any interest in how you live your life. There is a big leap from it was created -  to a magic man in the sky who gives us conflicting rules through suspect intermediaries and then judges our life when we die based on how we lived up to the riddles he gave to a small portion of the population, but not to everyone. 

It is also helpful to remember how much we don't know. The biggest being absolutely anything before the big bang. Not only do we not know anything but all of our math doesn't work at all before the big bang and our best understanding is that you would have to condense all the galaxies down to the size of an atom. 

The universe is too intelligent to have been the result of a random lack of design

> the universe is more likely to be a designed simulation than it is to be a natural occurrence

I don't know if you're talking about the idea that the universe is a hologram, but that idea was pretty much ruled out by observations made with the Holometer at Fermilab about 8 years ago.

https://news.fnal.gov/2015/12/holometer-rules-out-first-theory-of-space-...

No I'm going to explain this badly. It is just a statistical model based on our current observation which to date has seen no signs of life. Based on the model a simulation is more likely than naturally occurring by chance. But as I said before these things are pretty meaningless since we can't see beyond the event horizon, and can't detect dark matter or dark energy which we think makes up more of our universe than what we can detect. 

"Deteriorata" - National Lampoon

You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here.
Deteriorata. Deteriorata.

Go placidly amid the noise and waste,
And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.
Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss, and when.
Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
and despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.

Remember The Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate.
Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you -
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan.
And let not the sands of time get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken.
Take heart in the bedeepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot,
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god,
Whatever you perceive him to be - hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
The world continues to deteriorate.
Give up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faU-SK0pHCI

What if Earth is the "Australia" of the Milky Way?  Aliens dumped their "problems" here long ago, and are still seen occasionally passing  by to check on the experiment. Sounds plausible. 

No matter how it began or how it ends, I choose fate.

>>And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot,
     It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

^This is an actual fact.

Reliance on the observable and measurable doesn't explain everything...yet...but what it explains is fairly reliable.

The problem of first cause is a bear.   The metaphysical spices our life and like good literature allows us to try on ideas not in evidence.

I choose the  "currently unknown" option.  And that's ok.

>>>What if Earth is the "Australia" of the Milky Way?  Aliens dumped their "problems" here long ago, and are still seen occasionally passing  by to check on the experiment. Sounds plausible. 

That is the plot of one of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy books, when they tricked all the bureaucrats onto a space ship because they told them the planet was going to explode. That space ship ended up at earth.  Their first order of business when they landed was to make leaves currency which lead to the immediate deforestation of the surrounding area along with hyper-inflation. Most didn't survive the first winter but the ones who did became our ancestors.

Dreams are lies, it's the dreaming that's real

we are totally the universe's australia

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