A vast number of Republicans have shown that don't they respect the American people or the constitution, and they are willing accept an authoritarian leader, with whom they agree.
How sad they are turning their backs on the democracy so many of our veterans fought to save. They are dishonoring their sacrifice. Especially the guy laying a wreath today in D.C.
That’s not because of Biden. Once the Cheeto Ranger acknowledges his successor, the stone chips will fall away to reveal the marvelous sculpture within
The politicization of mask-wearing shows how difficult it will be for Joe Biden to build consensus around even basic public health strategies after he’s sworn in.
President-elect Joe Biden says he'll personally call red state governors and persuade them to impose mask mandates to slow down the coronavirus pandemic. Their early response: Don’t waste your time.
Almost all of the 16 Republican governors who oppose statewide mask mandates are ready to reject Biden’s plea, they told POLITICO or declared in public statements — even as they impose new restrictions on businesses and limit the size of public gatherings to keep their health systems from getting swamped.
South Dakota’s Kristi Noem, Oklahoma’s Kevin Stitt and Nebraska’s Pete Ricketts, whose states are engulfed by new cases, say mask wearing should remain a personal choice, not a legal obligation — despite recommendations from health officials and updated guidance from the Centers for Disease Control stressing that masks protect the wearer, not just people nearby, from infection.
“Governor Noem has provided her people with the full scope of the science, facts, and data regarding the virus, and then she has trusted them to exercise their personal responsibility to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved-ones,” Noem spokesperson Ian Fury wrote in an email. “She will not be changing that approach.”
The politicization of mask-wearing shows how difficult it will be for Biden to build consensus around even basic public health strategies after he’s sworn in.
Though President Donald Trump is on his way out, he’s poised to hold strong influence over GOP officials and voters who’ve largely backed his efforts to downplay the pandemic.
While some of the same governors expressed frustration earlier in the pandemic about the Trump administration’s lack of support on testing and protective gear, most side with Trump on his aversion to mask mandates. They’ve argued that neither Washington nor state capitals should dictate policies like face coverings, saying they are both onerous and unenforceable. And they’re digging in, even with the virus putting 65,000 people in hospitals and infecting more than 1.2 million people since Nov. 1.
“If President-elect Biden is indeed confirmed to be the next president, and he approaches me about a mask mandate, I would not be going along with a mask mandate,” Ricketts said during a press briefing on Tuesday.
“As far as a mandate, I’ve been very clear I don’t think this it’s the right thing to do,” Stitt, who was infected with the coronavirus earlier this year, said at a briefing on Tuesday. “This is a personal responsibility."
Several of the Republican holdouts, including Ricketts, have required face coverings for employees and patrons of certain businesses while others, like Stitt, have instead allowed their largest cities to decide on mask orders.
Other Republican governors, like Eric Holcomb in Indiana and Kay Ivey in Alabama have had mandates for months, while Utah Gov. Gary Herbert imposed a statewide order on Sunday night when it became clear this month that his state's hospitals were overwhelmed.
Asked about the possibility of a mask mandate, a spokesperson for Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee told POLITICO that “nothing’s off the table.” Counties can implement their own orders and so far nearly two dozen, representing two-thirds of the state population have opted to do so. The state reported a record number of new hospitalizations and deaths this week.
“We need to be nimble in our decision-making, but for the time-being, he’s confident the local-based approach is the most effective,” Gillum Ferguson, Lee’s spokesperson, wrote in an email.
Some federal health experts, like White House coronavirus task force coordinator Deborah Birx, have for months urged Americans to wear masks to help slow the virus’ spread and recommended stronger government mandates on face coverings.
The appeals have intensified as November's nationwide case counts shattered previous records, averaging more than 100,000 new infections a day.
Biden plans to implement a science-driven pandemic strategy as soon as he’s sworn in, and has said that if governors aren’t receptive to his arguments, he will take the crusade to the local level by calling mayors and county leaders and urging them to enact mask orders.
He may have little choice with some Republican governors refusing to even acknowledge his election victory, and with the GOP state leaders unified around the belief that mandates don't increase compliance.
Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds announced that customers and employees must wear masks at certain businesses, such as salons and tattoo parlors, but she rejected a statewide mandate, saying the decision comes down to individual responsibility.
Asked this week how he’ll be able to work with governors like Reynolds, Ricketts or Noem, Biden said simply: “They will.”
Though he’s blocked from starting to work with federal agencies on the transition, Biden used this week to reiterate that cloth masks are the single most important tool the country has to suppress the virus before a vaccine can be distributed.
"A mask is not a political statement — but it is a good way to start pulling the country together...It's to give something back to all of us: a normal life,” he said during a Monday press conference announcing his coronavirus task force, which is filled with a slate of veteran public health experts.
Mark McClellan, a former top health official in the George W. Bush administration and a member of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s Covid-19 strike force, said he hopes some state leaders will be receptive to Biden’s calls.
“It's actually a good time for him to be engaging with governors on something like this," McClellan said. "He doesn't have the authority of government yet, and this is an issue where you can't just issue a national mask mandate and to some extent, even a state mask mandate alone. It's got to be part of a coordinated set of steps.”
Biden this fall suggested he was looking into issuing an executive order creating a national mask mandate if governors continue to resist his entreaties.
But he's sounded more conciliatory since the election, only discussing executive orders that would mandate masks in federal buildings and on interstate transportation.
“While no decisions have been made about executive actions and no memo about the topic has been sent to the President-elect, he has the same levers at his disposal as all of his predecessors to address the crises facing the American people,” a spokesperson from transition said.
Biden’s transition team declined to comment on when he would begin reaching out to mayors and governors and which states would be the first to get the call.
The U.S. Conference of Mayors says there's been no communication with Biden or his team on the mask question, but noted the group has “made preliminary outreach to the incoming Administration to let them know that mayors are standing by ready to help."
It's not too early to have these conversations, said Obama administration health secretary Kathleen Sebelius, adding the relationships Biden establishes in the next 10 weeks could make the difference between cooperation at the height of a pandemic and a continuation of the patchwork efforts that have allowed the virus to spread widely.
“[Governors] will be at the front line of not only keeping policies and practices in place as safely as possible as we head into these very cold inside winter months, but also being in the front lines of the vaccination effort,” Sebelius said. “I think they need to know that this is a whole new effort by the incoming president, and it will be an entirely new relationship. They will be able to count on the federal government.”
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>>Well over 70%(might even be over 80%) of the folks in this country are for M4A.
It's between 66-70%. The same percent wants livable minimum wage. Don't confuse those numbers for how they will vote, though.
"If 2/3 of the population wants M4A, and a candidate stands behind M4A, then 2/3 of the population will vote for that candidate."
It doesn't work that way. I know that you all use that reasoning to say that Bernie would have won, but it holds no water. If it was a single voting issue for 66%, sure, but it currently isn't.
>>it does indicate to me that people hated trump more than they disliked dems
I think it is more probable that "moderate" or "independent" voters wanted to distance the country from Trump's "organized chaos" than they wanted one-party control of the presidency and congress.
There are those who like to have split control - more than they even know they do. Wall St. surely likes a Democratic President coupled with a Republican Senate. That's not even arguable.
>Are you trying to be stupid, or does it come naturally?<
>>idk man...<<
This clears things up, thanks for answering
>>>it is more probable that "moderate" or "independent" voters wanted to distance the country from Trump's "organized chaos" than they wanted one-party control of the presidency and congress<<<
This is likely part of the answer. Part of it is running a candidate who is an ideological fit for the district. Democrats were defending many seats in traditionally republican districts, these candidates were naturally vulnerable. Staten Island is not a bastion of progressive ideals, and Rose was hurt by the progressive rhetoric. Andy Kim was able to steer clear of the progressive message and won in a swing district. It's not one size fits all.
Over the past couple decades, Republicans have been able to win local, state and federal elections by running a candidate who fits with the district. They wouldn't run a far right candidate in a swing district, and they wouldn't run a moderate in a conservative district... it worked.
<<>>>but -- 112 co-sponsors of m4a were on the ballot -- all 112 won.
and won in republicans leaning districts by supporting m4a. this isn't hard to understand.
you can't see past left or right.. that's the msnbc brain right there. or is it bloomberg need for you?
<<<>>>This clears things up, thanks for answering
lol, says the guy that supported the racist grifters that convinced shit loads of brunch liberals to donate, lol, and are now attempting to tear down the left, prop up their corporate master support, and start their own median network. hahahahahahah.
Watching their videos equates to support? I supported their cause to defeat Trump.
Did you want Trump to win?
Could you list some of those who won in republican districts? Curious to see some examples. I know you had a chart somewhere. I'm particularly interested in districts which went both for Trump and the Democratic candidate for congress.
Additionally, could you provide examples of districts that went both for Biden and the Republican challenger for the democratically held congressional seat? And did that democratic rep support m4a?
I don't know, ogkb, for someone who rails on people for their CNN/MSNBC talking points, you sure do spout off your share of Commondreams/Jacobin talking points.
Were you really high the day they covered "fact vs opinion" in 8th grade Social Studies?
<<<>>>He did. But, only so he could point and laugh and claim Bernie would have been a better candidate. His wings have been clipped.
It must burn heater up that we were right about this election, OCLT. We both called it exactly how it went down.
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that's what you really think? i wanted trump to win? fuck you, ned.
<<<>>>I don't know, ogkb, for someone who rails on people for their CNN/MSNBC talking points, you sure do spout off your share of Commondreams/Jacobin talking points.
lol, this is awesome. bk equating cnn to jacobin. too good. man, you just love to be a corporate apologist. super strange.
bk, were you high when you didn't vote for obama, twice? you have said a progressive could not and should not be president -- so why didn't you vote for obama?
was it b/c hes black? or back then you were a real progressive? more real than now?
hey, this is for all you neoliberals fucks and corporate apologists, especially thod, i know how much you now care about this topic (never did before trump) -- here you go thod, defend this you little bitch:
What’s the issue, sounds like a pretty good assessment from 46, including his own previous administrations shortcomings. I know its generally the accepted practice to only blame others
The Biden Commitment to a Fair and Humane Immigration System
Joe Biden understands the pain felt by every family across the U.S. that has had a loved one removed from the country, including under the Obama-Biden Administration, and he believes we must do better to uphold our laws humanely and preserve the dignity of immigrant families, refugees, and asylum-seekers.
The Obama-Biden Administration strongly supported the bipartisan comprehensive immigration solution that passed the Senate in 2013 and which would have put our country’s immigration policies on a much stronger footing. When the Republican House refused to even bring that bill to a vote, the Administration took action to fundamentally change the course of our nation’s immigration policies, offering relief and stability to hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants who contribute to our communities every single day.
As Vice President, Biden championed the creation and expansion of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program; the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) program; the Central American Minors program, which allowed parents with legal status in the U.S. to apply to bring their children up from Central America to live with them; and the creation of a White House task force to support new Americans and help them integrate into their new homes and communities.
In a departure from their predecessors, the Obama-Biden administration took steps to prioritize enforcement resources on removing threats to national security and public safety, not families. It also issued guidance designed to end mass work-place raids and to prevent enforcement activities at sensitive locations such as schools, hospitals, and places of worship.
Critically, the Obama-Biden administration recognized that irregular migration from the Northern Triangle countries of Central America cannot be effectively addressed if solutions only focus on our southern border. The better answer lies in addressing the root causes that push desperate people to flee their homes in the first place: violence and insecurity, lack of economic opportunity, and corrupt governance. As Vice President, Biden spearheaded the administration’s efforts in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras–bringing high-level attention to these issues and securing bipartisan support for a $750 million aid package to help the Northern Triangle countries implement critical, concrete reforms. These efforts were beginning to deliver results and reduce migration rates until Trump froze the majority of the funding, began his campaign to terrorize immigrants and assault the dignity of the Latino community, and created the current humanitarian crisis at our border with his irresponsible and inhumane policies.
As president, Biden will finish the work of building a fair and humane immigration system–restoring the progress Trump has cruelly undone and taking it further. He will secure our border, while ensuring the dignity of migrants and upholding their legal right to seek asylum. He will enforce our laws without targeting communities, violating due process, or tearing apart families. He will ensure our values are squarely at the center of our immigration and enforcement policies.
^of course a republican would approve of this hire -- she defended family separation under obama -- republicans and dems alike love that shit.
but a copied and pasted "commitment" from the biden website as an answer to that hire is awesome, thanks fishcane. that's funny.
thod still hasn't posted a real answer to the question -- how do you defend this, thod made it his job by yelling at others who opposed biden that "you support kids in cages" bs.
>> still hasn't posted a real answer to the question<<
Could you list some of m4a supporting democrats who won in republican districts?
I'm particularly interested in districts which went both for Trump and the Democratic candidate for congress.
Additionally, could you provide examples of districts that went both for Biden and the Republican challenger for the democratically held congressional seat?
Biden gives democrats a false hope as he is just another falsified leader working for the richest people in the world who actually control the country and media. He helped build the cages for immigrants which Trump then used the same. That's called team work. Republicans and Democrats work together. The media backs the democrats because it makes them more popular but the Democratic based media stations were silent back when Obama was rounding up immigrants. They were also silent when we invaded Syria and rarely report on the topic today. The next invasion of a secular Middle East nation will be under Biden and once again the democrats will be silent. But you guys are better than Republicans right?
While you sit and celebrate the win of your guy in the presidential office a family is being drone bombed in Syria. Hope you guys feel good about that.
lol lumber -- you need verification, go look that shit up -- i'm not doing your research for you. sorry you don't believe it. typically the case for people who can't see past red and blue.
lumber, did the lincoln project approve this hire?
Im pointing out that we just elected someone who was part of that administration already obvious. Appointment of someone else from that administration is further stating the obvious. Not gullible, but it appears from Biden himself that he could do better. Let’s not give him the chance, right?
Probably we should just all commit suicide, I mean it’s humans doing this stuff, no? Gosh how can we live as humans
^^ bag'a hammers I tell ya - ya know pyro, if you were twice as smart, you'd still be a fucking embarrassing moron.
"Bush and Obama did not have policies that resulted in the mass separation of parents and children like we’re seeing under the current administration,” Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst with the Migration Policy Institute, told us.
Facebook, erroneously claims that former President Barack Obama separated many more children than President Donald Trump did.
Next to a photo of Obama, it reads: “89,000 children separated from parents at border. Result – Silence.”
“1900 children separated from parents at border,” the text reads next to a photo of Trump. “Result – Media Frenzy.”
The “89,000” figure used in the meme is similar to previous claims that “90,000” children were separated under Obama — a number the Associated Press last year pointed out may have been incorrectly pulled from a 2016 Senate report. The report said that, since the beginning of fiscal year 2014, the Obama administration had placed “almost 90,000” unaccompanied children “with sponsors in the United States.”
At the time, the U.S. was experiencing an influx of unaccompanied children arriving at the border from Central America. The “90,000” figure largely represented children who had arrived at the border without a parent or guardian (though, as we said earlier, there may have been limited cases in which children were separated for the child’s safety).
>>lol lumber -- you need verification, go look that shit up -- i'm not doing your research for you<<
no, pyramid, you made the claim, now go ahead and defend it. Show some data. Are you too lazy to try to prove your claim? Or are you afraid to dig deeper and find no correlation?
Sorry you can't prove your claims, typical of those with a specious understanding of the issues.
>lumber, did the lincoln project approve this hire<
Don't know. I'll let you know if they release a video.
Nice red herring though. Typical of those who a unable to defend their claims.
112 out of 112, lumber. sorry corporate dems losing in dem strongholds b/c they can't back m4a, and real people winning in republicans leaning districts b/c they backed m4a and a gnd makes you flustered. question it all you want. i read the data. it's there. you can seek it out.
but, here's some data for you, from the sunrise movement -- now please discredit.
Hey heated
Call this psychobabble as you wish. I did sit on these questions for a day before sharing my thought FWIW but you continue to attack at will You appear So damn wounded I don't see you providing a positive direction or path...
Didn’t want to make a personal attack, but do not understand nor appreciate your behavior as one of the sour grapes kings...
As you can’t chill at all here are questions to better understand your thought process (the head Trump troll has never answered any )
1: When a girlfriend / other dumps you, how long does it take for you to get over it? Or do you never recover, and are you bitter at your ex for life?
2: If a girlfriend/ other were to dump you, would you blame yourself, hate the ex, or despise the man she is now with?
Psychobabble? Or rational curiosity based on how “ spun / angry” you appear It can't be healthy
Sheesh im Sure there is a country out there better suited for you. You can spend a lifetime figuring out ways to hate anything that happens, but you already know that
As you have already stated LLTD I'm the kind of man who points out evil no matter where it is and who it may make uncomfortable. When I can I'll tell you the truth whether or not you're ready for it and no matter how you feel about it. You're welcome.
But politics are worthless topics as they will never change in my lifetime. You will all just get angry at the people telling you how it is and love those who are fucking you over. Enjoy.
so just to be clear, hiring people who support family separation and putting humans (little kids, infants) in cages is OK, but only if the dems make the hire.
is this correct, thod, ned, ras, and all the rest of our neoliberal fucks here?
It seems by electing this President, we are...it has nothing to do with his appointment.
Did you think my suggestion was because I felt that way or could it perhaps have been contextual based on how someone here seems to have an issue with everything
By your logic the election itself says otherwise. Not sure the sudden outrage over an appointment that came from the same administration that the president that WE just elected came from. He acknowledges the need to do better. Not a common trait in humans to acknowledge their faults. So it’s normal that you are struggling with the concept
It's really a circular discussion with ogkb. He detests the system, so any person that is part of the system is the problem. The Republicans, Tea Party, neoliberal fucks, corporate apologists, etc are all the same. Anyone who supports any of them are all the same.
In my opinion it's pretty bleak to paint almost everyone with such a dark and negative brush, and to see it as so black and white. Sure, in a way it is "us vs them," but not everyone is "them," at least not all the time.
As I've stated 100 times, when there are more Progressives in Congress and state legislatures, then there will be a more progressive president. It's not that complicated.
>As I've stated 100 times, when there are more Progressives in Congress and state legislatures, then there will be a more progressive president. It's not that complicated<
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As Americans continued to lean more Democratic than Republican in their party preferences in 2019, the ideological balance of the country remained center-right, with 37% of Americans, on average, identifying as conservative during the year, 35% as moderate and 24% as liberal.
If Progressives keep winning those swing districts and getting their message out to the working class, the Democratic platform will move sharply left, even under a Harris administration.
As for the fallacy that we can simply stop bombing places, I don't know what to say. We have played a big part in creating shitshows, and simply pulling out isn't really an option because it leaves massive power vacuums. Our withdrawals need to be deliberate and part of long-term visions and diplomatic policies. I don't care who the President is, Biden, Trump, Gabbard, AOC, not one of them could or would end our involvement in all those places with a pen-stroke.
Pyramid, a quick skim of your link provided no proof of correlation between m4a support and winning. M4a is mentioned in one brief bullet point, with scant analysis.
"All of the Democrats in swing districts who are Medicare for All co-sponsors won their
re-elections, and all-but-one of the Democrats in swing districts who are Green New Deal
co-sponsors won their re-elections."
Did Biden carry these districts? Or was it Trump?
I'm looking for a deeper analysis. I imagine most of those 112 cosponsors were from solid democratic districts. It could very well be the top of the ticket driving down ballot results in these republican leaning districts. (ie )A conservative democrat losing in a republican district could just as easily be attributed to having Trump driving turnout. Similarly, if Biden carried these republican leaning districts, was it the top of the ticket affecting the down ballot vote?
You may as well be looking for proof that there's a god. That's not something that ogkb can do. He tends to read opinions based on faulty analyses, and then pass them off as fact.
Whatever kind of progressive movement there is will be cut short and be dried out by the love of greed in politics. In my life time there will be no progressive movement at all. Maybe in 100 years if he human race makes it that far. The USA is starting to feel the effects of all that evil we have imposed, Brian K. First it was Trump and now Covid Satan. We are only getting what we deserve and yes the democrats are a large part of it.
Politicians will always be corrupted and corruptible. They have power. However, in this country they still get their power from the people. The DNC and RNC can say this or that and make them do this or that, but it means nothing if the people don't vote for them. When the people actually start voting on the progressive ideals that they say they want, then that's what we'll get.
<<<>>>When the people actually start voting on the progressive ideals that they say they want, then that's what we'll get.
you said you didn't even support bernie in the primary and that he shouldn't be president. i know i know -- having a president that actually wants to help the people won't do shit -- we have to vote for progressive high bailiffs first. hahahahaha. that's so fucking funny to type out, god damn, bk.
I said that he was a terrible choice for president, at this time. If you think that he would have been in any way effective, you're tripping.
You're too focused on the presidency. There are thousands of elected roles that fall between the high bailiff and president.
Jesus, even in Vermont we have a Republican governor. We are also the only state to have never elected a female to Congress. It has to start locally. You don't agree, and think that a president can wave a magic wand and change hearts and minds. That's just silly.
Dude, the Republican Senate is going to block most, if not all, of Biden's more liberal cabinet appointees. A progressive president would be dead in the water.
i thought the blue wave was to expand the corporate dem senate? what happened?
bernie would have gone to states and districts and had their corporate dem representatives primaried as he made clear why those politicians don't represent what the people want. it'd be totally different man. you don't see that?
C'mon, they were effective at painting Biden as a Commie, and in part it got Trump the 2nd highest numbering votes in history.
A majority of Republicans in this country believe that QAnon is at least partially true. 28% of Democrats believe that it may hold water. That's the nation we're dealing with.
heater, I only asked you about health care as you talk about it endlessly
i don't give a fuk what you do , after having heard you make pizza pies, I shared the recipe of one I liked, and mentioned that it might be fun to share one with you one day
i hope you enjoy what you do for a living, and feel you contribute to society
I only asked that if you employ people do you contribute to their healthcare
you do t seem able to cut any slack and appear to be very angry
lots of insults that you spew Don't know how that helps you
i am optimistic about the future There are many bad people in this world, and many good ones
i am not a complete pessimist, perhaps somewhat a realist as compromise is needed to move the needle
and hate what politicians often do, especially ones on the right
I call myself an independent not because I am between red and blue , it hate many of the compromises that dems make, just hate repugs for being so backwards and caring about rich people so FN much
> A majority of Republicans in this country believe that QAnon is at least partially true. 28% of Democrats believe that it may hold water. That's the nation we're dealing with.
There was an interesting article in the Atlantic last week about how Trump sold so many so much bullshit:
Orienting your sense of truth around a person can be more comforting than doing so around a nebulous, uncertain, or otherwise threatening reality. [Identity] Fusion is not appealing because it makes sense; it is appealing because it alleviates the cognitive and emotional burden of thinking.
BK -- then why do you ask absurd baited questions like how the corporate media does -- perfect example above.
my guess is -- turtle would of course give due credit -- he's not a trash monster corporate apologist like many here who can only praise their neolibs, never criticize -- one massively important difference between liberals and the progressive base of bernie/aoc/etc.
thought you would know that as a self proclaimed real progressive.
It wasn't an absurd question, I have no idea if the MSM would ask it (nor do I care), and the question was for Turts. You're super agro and looking to fight.
Ogkb is like that insult dog. I asked Turts a very simple question and got 8 posts of insults.
The best part is that he really has no clue what he's talking about. It has nothing to do with agreeing with his politics, he's just completely ignorant about Civics. Ignorant and unwilling to learn...
Ogkb, if you have a library card, through the VT Library System you have free access to Universal Class Online. You'd do well to sign up and enroll in the "US Government" class. It would really help you to formulate your opinions, perhaps in a way where you can have intelligent debate rather than dumbass insults. The reality is, right now you spout off shit that shows your complete ignorance. You then you try to call it fact, and put people down for not "seeing it" as you do. https://vermontstate.universalclass.com/barcode-login.htm?enter+code
First, I asked Turts a question. It's not a question I would even ask you.
I didn't vote for Obama because he was too conservative for me, and I knew that VT was going to go Blue. I felt that I could vote my conscience. In 2016 things changed and Trump came on the scene. I believed that my vote had to be a big "fuck you" to that douchebag, and I did it again in 2020. If a different candidate had been running, my votes would have gone to someone other than Clinton or Biden. Would it have been Bernie? Probably not. Would it have been to someone on the far left? Absolutely.
Meanwhile, a number of Bernie supporters here voted for Biden this year, even in states that weren't swing. You've said nothing to them. Their votes were no different than mine. All you do is berate people who disagree with you.
You have a weak mind, kid. Again, it's because of your arrogance combined with ignorance.
you're mad b/c i called out your question, to turtle, for being a baited gotcha question, which it is. it's ok man, you asked that. fine. own it tho.
your justification for not voting for the first black president is sad. especially since you have been saying for years somebody like bernie can't be president -- that you support more of a compromise candidate, a neoliberal.
and you've been slingin' insults all thread, so stop being such a baby.
Yes, he did. You're the one who has posted about it over and over.
I'm not angry, silly.
My facts are facts. My assessment of situations, based on facts, is debatable. That's how it works. Your facts are opinions, often based on whatever you are basing it on. For instance, it is not a fact that a president can erase $1.5 trillion in student debt with a pen stroke. That's not even an opinion. It's just a total lack of understanding of our political system.
An executive order is a means of issuing federal directives in the United States, used by the president of the United States, that manages operations of the federal government.[1] The legal or constitutional basis for executive orders has multiple sources. Article Two of the United States Constitution gives the president broad executive and enforcement authority to use their discretion to determine how to enforce the law or to otherwise manage the resources and staff of the executive branch. The ability to make such orders is also based on expressed or implied Acts of Congress that delegate to the president some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[2]
Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review and may be overturned if the orders lack support by statute or the Constitution. Some policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes. As the head of state and head of government of the United States, as well as commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces, only the president of the United States can issue an executive order.
Presidential executive orders, once issued, remain in force until they are canceled, revoked, adjudicated unlawful, or expire on their terms. At any time, the president may revoke, modify, or make exceptions from any executive order, whether the order was made by the current president or a predecessor. Typically, a new president reviews in-force executive orders in the first few weeks in office.
"If Biden used executive action to cancel student loans, there would likely be legal challenges (based on a Separation of Powers argument), which could delay any such student loan forgiveness for borrowers."
Look, man, as someone with student loan debt I hope he does something. It's killing the economy and housing market. That doesn't mean that he has the power to make it go away with a pen stroke. You have to know that.Our current SCOTUS, a majority of which are strict Constitutionalists, will shut that shit down before anyone's loians are forgiven.
I have Federal loans, and I'm part of the "Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program," which requires that I make 10 years worth of monthly payments and the rest of my debt goes away. Payments were suspended from March to September. Trump extended it through December. Those 9 months of no payments count towards my 10 years of uninterrupted payments.
Biden has said that he's going to do what he can to eliminate student debt. All we can do is hope that he follows through, in whatever ways that he can.
Bk these long and drawn out internet battles day in and day out can't be good for an old fragile man coming up on another surgery like yourself. High blood pressure also leads to low t. Just sayin
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A vast number of Republicans have shown that don't they respect the American people or the constitution, and they are willing accept an authoritarian leader, with whom they agree.
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where thom? lol.
where thom? lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
^you know what they say, pyramid...
Scratch a republican, find a fascist
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Just The WORST - buh bye
Just The WORST - buh bye democracy
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How sad they are turning
How sad they are turning their backs on the democracy so many of our veterans fought to save. They are dishonoring their sacrifice. Especially the guy laying a wreath today in D.C.
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GOP Coup d'état they want us
GOP Coup d'état they want us to relax
Ask for help from militias next,,, Stay Tuned
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ
Coup d'etat is right!
Coup d'etat is right!
...and the Trump voter base doesn't even recognize what's going on...
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Klown Kar Koup
Klown Kar Koup
they were over confident they were gonna win
now they're playing look at this (shit with no teeth)
while they stall so the dems can't see the shit they've been doing
meanwhile burying the bodies
.
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If the Democrats were
If the Democrats were stealing the election, why wouldn’t they want the senate majority?
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i wonder if at the end of all
i wonder if at the end of all this their will be barrels full of documents/paper burning on the White House lawn?
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No, they will use the
No, they will use the fireplaces; we will know when we see black smoke.
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Sign of New Dope?
Sign of New Dope?
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I went from Phoenix Arizona
I went from Phoenix Arizona all the way to Tacoma , Philadelphia, Atlanta, L.A. !!
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Shameless
Shameless
sad
sorry
mind boggling lack of (fill In the blank)
don't wear a mask > give me death not freedom
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Is it possible that the only good Republican is a dead Republican?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^horrible human.
^horrible human. and you're a corporate apologist who fell for rewriting evil politicians' legacies b/c trump. you're a sucker.
fuck john mccain and his entire family.
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biden really thinks he can
biden really thinks he can win compromises from republicans that won't even acknowledge dude won the presidency?
awesome.
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That’s not because of Biden.
That’s not because of Biden. Once the Cheeto Ranger acknowledges his successor, the stone chips will fall away to reveal the marvelous sculpture within
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morning groan
morning groan
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Policy: Health Care
Policy: Health Care
Red state governors reject Biden on mask orders
The politicization of mask-wearing shows how difficult it will be for Joe Biden to build consensus around even basic public health strategies after he’s sworn in.
President-elect Joe Biden says he'll personally call red state governors and persuade them to impose mask mandates to slow down the coronavirus pandemic. Their early response: Don’t waste your time.
Almost all of the 16 Republican governors who oppose statewide mask mandates are ready to reject Biden’s plea, they told POLITICO or declared in public statements — even as they impose new restrictions on businesses and limit the size of public gatherings to keep their health systems from getting swamped.
South Dakota’s Kristi Noem, Oklahoma’s Kevin Stitt and Nebraska’s Pete Ricketts, whose states are engulfed by new cases, say mask wearing should remain a personal choice, not a legal obligation — despite recommendations from health officials and updated guidance from the Centers for Disease Control stressing that masks protect the wearer, not just people nearby, from infection.
“Governor Noem has provided her people with the full scope of the science, facts, and data regarding the virus, and then she has trusted them to exercise their personal responsibility to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved-ones,” Noem spokesperson Ian Fury wrote in an email. “She will not be changing that approach.”
The politicization of mask-wearing shows how difficult it will be for Biden to build consensus around even basic public health strategies after he’s sworn in.
Though President Donald Trump is on his way out, he’s poised to hold strong influence over GOP officials and voters who’ve largely backed his efforts to downplay the pandemic.
While some of the same governors expressed frustration earlier in the pandemic about the Trump administration’s lack of support on testing and protective gear, most side with Trump on his aversion to mask mandates. They’ve argued that neither Washington nor state capitals should dictate policies like face coverings, saying they are both onerous and unenforceable. And they’re digging in, even with the virus putting 65,000 people in hospitals and infecting more than 1.2 million people since Nov. 1.
“If President-elect Biden is indeed confirmed to be the next president, and he approaches me about a mask mandate, I would not be going along with a mask mandate,” Ricketts said during a press briefing on Tuesday.
“As far as a mandate, I’ve been very clear I don’t think this it’s the right thing to do,” Stitt, who was infected with the coronavirus earlier this year, said at a briefing on Tuesday. “This is a personal responsibility."
Several of the Republican holdouts, including Ricketts, have required face coverings for employees and patrons of certain businesses while others, like Stitt, have instead allowed their largest cities to decide on mask orders.
Other Republican governors, like Eric Holcomb in Indiana and Kay Ivey in Alabama have had mandates for months, while Utah Gov. Gary Herbert imposed a statewide order on Sunday night when it became clear this month that his state's hospitals were overwhelmed.
Asked about the possibility of a mask mandate, a spokesperson for Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee told POLITICO that “nothing’s off the table.” Counties can implement their own orders and so far nearly two dozen, representing two-thirds of the state population have opted to do so. The state reported a record number of new hospitalizations and deaths this week.
“We need to be nimble in our decision-making, but for the time-being, he’s confident the local-based approach is the most effective,” Gillum Ferguson, Lee’s spokesperson, wrote in an email.
Some federal health experts, like White House coronavirus task force coordinator Deborah Birx, have for months urged Americans to wear masks to help slow the virus’ spread and recommended stronger government mandates on face coverings.
The appeals have intensified as November's nationwide case counts shattered previous records, averaging more than 100,000 new infections a day.
Biden plans to implement a science-driven pandemic strategy as soon as he’s sworn in, and has said that if governors aren’t receptive to his arguments, he will take the crusade to the local level by calling mayors and county leaders and urging them to enact mask orders.
He may have little choice with some Republican governors refusing to even acknowledge his election victory, and with the GOP state leaders unified around the belief that mandates don't increase compliance.
Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds announced that customers and employees must wear masks at certain businesses, such as salons and tattoo parlors, but she rejected a statewide mandate, saying the decision comes down to individual responsibility.
Asked this week how he’ll be able to work with governors like Reynolds, Ricketts or Noem, Biden said simply: “They will.”
Though he’s blocked from starting to work with federal agencies on the transition, Biden used this week to reiterate that cloth masks are the single most important tool the country has to suppress the virus before a vaccine can be distributed.
"A mask is not a political statement — but it is a good way to start pulling the country together...It's to give something back to all of us: a normal life,” he said during a Monday press conference announcing his coronavirus task force, which is filled with a slate of veteran public health experts.
Mark McClellan, a former top health official in the George W. Bush administration and a member of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s Covid-19 strike force, said he hopes some state leaders will be receptive to Biden’s calls.
“It's actually a good time for him to be engaging with governors on something like this," McClellan said. "He doesn't have the authority of government yet, and this is an issue where you can't just issue a national mask mandate and to some extent, even a state mask mandate alone. It's got to be part of a coordinated set of steps.”
Biden this fall suggested he was looking into issuing an executive order creating a national mask mandate if governors continue to resist his entreaties.
But he's sounded more conciliatory since the election, only discussing executive orders that would mandate masks in federal buildings and on interstate transportation.
“While no decisions have been made about executive actions and no memo about the topic has been sent to the President-elect, he has the same levers at his disposal as all of his predecessors to address the crises facing the American people,” a spokesperson from transition said.
Biden’s transition team declined to comment on when he would begin reaching out to mayors and governors and which states would be the first to get the call.
The U.S. Conference of Mayors says there's been no communication with Biden or his team on the mask question, but noted the group has “made preliminary outreach to the incoming Administration to let them know that mayors are standing by ready to help."
It's not too early to have these conversations, said Obama administration health secretary Kathleen Sebelius, adding the relationships Biden establishes in the next 10 weeks could make the difference between cooperation at the height of a pandemic and a continuation of the patchwork efforts that have allowed the virus to spread widely.
“[Governors] will be at the front line of not only keeping policies and practices in place as safely as possible as we head into these very cold inside winter months, but also being in the front lines of the vaccination effort,” Sebelius said. “I think they need to know that this is a whole new effort by the incoming president, and it will be an entirely new relationship. They will be able to count on the federal government.”
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Heat needs help
Heat needs help
hate hurts yourself
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD
You should listen to Heat
You should listen to Heat instead of mock him. He may not be as personable when on the puplit, but mostly he knows what he is talking about.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I think, Mark, that you're
I think, Mark, that you're confusing your agreement with his opinions as him being factually correct.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
^^ Hard to take Pyramid seriously when he implies Max Rose lost his race on Staten Island because he didn't support m4a.
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Well over 70%(might even be
Well over 70%(might even be over 80%) of the folks in this country are for M4A.
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>>Well over 70%(might even be
>>Well over 70%(might even be over 80%) of the folks in this country are for M4A.
It's between 66-70%. The same percent wants livable minimum wage. Don't confuse those numbers for how they will vote, though.
"If 2/3 of the population wants M4A, and a candidate stands behind M4A, then 2/3 of the population will vote for that candidate."
It doesn't work that way. I know that you all use that reasoning to say that Bernie would have won, but it holds no water. If it was a single voting issue for 66%, sure, but it currently isn't.
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Of course there is no direct
Of course there is no direct correlation. But maybe it would have swayed just enough.
And I know I read well over 70% If I can find the lnk I will post it.
Meanwhile, this is interesting.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/11/memo-democrats-2020-electio...
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And this.
And this.
https://xlauren-mx.medium.com/if-they-act-like-a-republican-whats-the-po...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go?
republicans should also
republicans should also consider not having an abortion a 'personal responsibility', instead of mandating that no one be allowed to have one.
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morning groan<<< *
morning groan<<<
*
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Suck.
Suck.
Oh I thought this was a word association thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
lumber supported the lincoln
lumber supported the lincoln project.
dude got straight up took.
buy a bunch of racist grifters hahahahahahahaha
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
found out that 157 people in
<<buy a bunch of racist grifters hahahahahahahaha
if you're going to make a statement like that, at least back it up with some facts.
steve schmidt is a racist grifter because?
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Bernie would not have won
Bernie would not have won
You can make all the arguments you want but there's no way in fucking hell that would've happened
I appreciate and respect liberalism and the radical left too Always have
do keep pushing for evolution and human rights
its a pretty complicated chess board with many many layers. ... opinions and emotions
Carry on and fight the good fight
being practical to move the needle is not a heinous sin
God bless passion
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>lumber supported the lincoln project.<
>>if you're going to make a statement like that, at least back it up with some facts<<
Still haven't any of them over for dinner
You are a simpleton
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how much money you give them,
https://www.dailyposter.com/p/the-real-story-about-never-trump
how much money you give them, sucker?
jr is confused. same as it ever was.
lltd -- your corporate dems got crushed on the down ballot -- you do know that, correct?
like, the dems didn't do well last week, sorry to break it to you.
but -- 112 co-sponsors of m4a were on the ballot -- all 112 won.
wow.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
^Didn't give them any money, idiot.
Are you trying to be stupid, or does it come naturally?
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idk man, but keep voting for
idk man, but keep voting for neolibs and be very surprised when the next authoritarian wins in 2024.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
I do know that the dems lost
I do know that the dems lost pretty bigly "down ballot" my friend
go ahead and connect it in your mind as you wish
it does indicate to me that people hated trump more than they disliked dems -- chew on that for a bit
i agree to disagree with you if you wish - so be it
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>>it does indicate to me that
>>it does indicate to me that people hated trump more than they disliked dems
I think it is more probable that "moderate" or "independent" voters wanted to distance the country from Trump's "organized chaos" than they wanted one-party control of the presidency and congress.
There are those who like to have split control - more than they even know they do. Wall St. surely likes a Democratic President coupled with a Republican Senate. That's not even arguable.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>Are you trying to be stupid,
>Are you trying to be stupid, or does it come naturally?<
>>idk man...<<
This clears things up, thanks for answering
>>>it is more probable that "moderate" or "independent" voters wanted to distance the country from Trump's "organized chaos" than they wanted one-party control of the presidency and congress<<<
This is likely part of the answer. Part of it is running a candidate who is an ideological fit for the district. Democrats were defending many seats in traditionally republican districts, these candidates were naturally vulnerable. Staten Island is not a bastion of progressive ideals, and Rose was hurt by the progressive rhetoric. Andy Kim was able to steer clear of the progressive message and won in a swing district. It's not one size fits all.
Over the past couple decades, Republicans have been able to win local, state and federal elections by running a candidate who fits with the district. They wouldn't run a far right candidate in a swing district, and they wouldn't run a moderate in a conservative district... it worked.
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<<>>>but -- 112 co-sponsors
<<>>>but -- 112 co-sponsors of m4a were on the ballot -- all 112 won.
and won in republicans leaning districts by supporting m4a. this isn't hard to understand.
you can't see past left or right.. that's the msnbc brain right there. or is it bloomberg need for you?
<<<>>>This clears things up, thanks for answering
lol, says the guy that supported the racist grifters that convinced shit loads of brunch liberals to donate, lol, and are now attempting to tear down the left, prop up their corporate master support, and start their own median network. hahahahahahah.
suckers man. suckers.
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>lol, says the guy that supported the racist grifters that convinced shit loads of brunch liberals to donate<
Their videos were spot on.
You should appreciate this one, it's snarky...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_q5kwu-1924
Watching their videos equates to support? I supported their cause to defeat Trump.
Did you want Trump to win?
Could you list some of those who won in republican districts? Curious to see some examples. I know you had a chart somewhere. I'm particularly interested in districts which went both for Trump and the Democratic candidate for congress.
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I thought this topic was
I thought this topic was about this song...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMN_G-MnM8w
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Additionally, could you provide examples of districts that went both for Biden and the Republican challenger for the democratically held congressional seat? And did that democratic rep support m4a?
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>> Did you want Trump to win?
>> Did you want Trump to win? <<
He did. But, only so he could point and laugh and claim Bernie would have been a better candidate. His wings have been clipped.
It must burn heater up that we were right about this election, OCLT. We both called it exactly how it went down.
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^My son called it. He got every state right.
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>>He did. But, only so he
>>He did. But, only so he could point and laugh and claim Bernie would have been a better candidate.
The cold fact is: Bernie had better ideas - but was not a better candidate.
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^^^^^This.
^^^^^This.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I don't know, ogkb, for
I don't know, ogkb, for someone who rails on people for their CNN/MSNBC talking points, you sure do spout off your share of Commondreams/Jacobin talking points.
Were you really high the day they covered "fact vs opinion" in 8th grade Social Studies?
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his m.o. is to blah blah blah
^ his mo is to blah blah blah, you're a ______ .
m4a blah blah blah
he never will answer your direct questions based with hard facts
he's just butthurt
as i imagine javs is.
meanwhile...
which one is pheat?
lol
sad
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
<<<>>>He did. But, only so he
<<<>>>He did. But, only so he could point and laugh and claim Bernie would have been a better candidate. His wings have been clipped.
It must burn heater up that we were right about this election, OCLT. We both called it exactly how it went down.
<<<>>>
that's what you really think? i wanted trump to win? fuck you, ned.
<<<>>>I don't know, ogkb, for someone who rails on people for their CNN/MSNBC talking points, you sure do spout off your share of Commondreams/Jacobin talking points.
lol, this is awesome. bk equating cnn to jacobin. too good. man, you just love to be a corporate apologist. super strange.
bk, were you high when you didn't vote for obama, twice? you have said a progressive could not and should not be president -- so why didn't you vote for obama?
was it b/c hes black? or back then you were a real progressive? more real than now?
very strange.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
<<<>>>>he never will answer
<<<>>>>he never will answer your direct questions based with hard facts
he's just butthurt
as i imagine javs is.
<<<<>>>>
again, your posts say more about you than me. i've always responded and answered -- who do you think i am, thom?
butthurt? you treat this like sports. i'm not butthurt, i'm used to losing lol.
i'd say the butthurt ones are the trash monsters that rallied against bernie in support of the corporate masters' choice -- biden and harris.
butthurt? grow the fuck up, thod.
i would never write in trey -- phish, imo, sucks balls and trey is awful.
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Sometimes, ogkb, I ask myself
Sometimes, ogkb, I ask myself, "what the fuck is that dude even talking about?"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
same here man.
same here man.
hey, this is for all you neoliberals fucks and corporate apologists, especially thod, i know how much you now care about this topic (never did before trump) -- here you go thod, defend this you little bitch:
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
I got your bitch.
I got your bitch.
I ain't playing your game, feel me?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
that one must sting, tho.
that one must sting, tho.
or now we don't care?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Is "corporate apologist" the
Is "corporate apologist" the new buzz term that's going to show up in 75 of your next 100 posts?
"Neoliberal" has become stale, but I do like the "neoliberal fucks." I feel like you've given it new life.
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listen -- the hash is working
listen -- the hash is working and i don't really care any longer -- for now.
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I took my daughter to see the
I took my daughter to see the Neoliberal Fucks open for Panic in the Disco.
They weren't that bad - but they needed a better bass player if they wanted to make people dance.
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What’s the issue?
What’s the issue, sounds like a pretty good assessment from 46, including his own previous administrations shortcomings. I know its generally the accepted practice to only blame others
The Biden Commitment to a Fair and Humane Immigration System
Joe Biden understands the pain felt by every family across the U.S. that has had a loved one removed from the country, including under the Obama-Biden Administration, and he believes we must do better to uphold our laws humanely and preserve the dignity of immigrant families, refugees, and asylum-seekers.
The Obama-Biden Administration strongly supported the bipartisan comprehensive immigration solution that passed the Senate in 2013 and which would have put our country’s immigration policies on a much stronger footing. When the Republican House refused to even bring that bill to a vote, the Administration took action to fundamentally change the course of our nation’s immigration policies, offering relief and stability to hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants who contribute to our communities every single day.
As Vice President, Biden championed the creation and expansion of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program; the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) program; the Central American Minors program, which allowed parents with legal status in the U.S. to apply to bring their children up from Central America to live with them; and the creation of a White House task force to support new Americans and help them integrate into their new homes and communities.
In a departure from their predecessors, the Obama-Biden administration took steps to prioritize enforcement resources on removing threats to national security and public safety, not families. It also issued guidance designed to end mass work-place raids and to prevent enforcement activities at sensitive locations such as schools, hospitals, and places of worship.
Critically, the Obama-Biden administration recognized that irregular migration from the Northern Triangle countries of Central America cannot be effectively addressed if solutions only focus on our southern border. The better answer lies in addressing the root causes that push desperate people to flee their homes in the first place: violence and insecurity, lack of economic opportunity, and corrupt governance. As Vice President, Biden spearheaded the administration’s efforts in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras–bringing high-level attention to these issues and securing bipartisan support for a $750 million aid package to help the Northern Triangle countries implement critical, concrete reforms. These efforts were beginning to deliver results and reduce migration rates until Trump froze the majority of the funding, began his campaign to terrorize immigrants and assault the dignity of the Latino community, and created the current humanitarian crisis at our border with his irresponsible and inhumane policies.
As president, Biden will finish the work of building a fair and humane immigration system–restoring the progress Trump has cruelly undone and taking it further. He will secure our border, while ensuring the dignity of migrants and upholding their legal right to seek asylum. He will enforce our laws without targeting communities, violating due process, or tearing apart families. He will ensure our values are squarely at the center of our immigration and enforcement policies.
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^of course a republican would
^of course a republican would approve of this hire -- she defended family separation under obama -- republicans and dems alike love that shit.
but a copied and pasted "commitment" from the biden website as an answer to that hire is awesome, thanks fishcane. that's funny.
thod still hasn't posted a real answer to the question -- how do you defend this, thod made it his job by yelling at others who opposed biden that "you support kids in cages" bs.
neoliberal fucks i tell yas.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>> still hasn't posted a real answer to the question<<
Could you list some of m4a supporting democrats who won in republican districts?
I'm particularly interested in districts which went both for Trump and the Democratic candidate for congress.
Additionally, could you provide examples of districts that went both for Biden and the Republican challenger for the democratically held congressional seat?
And did that democratic incumbent support m4a?
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It doesn’t appear that Biden
It doesn’t appear that Biden supports it either. A copy direct from the website is more on point then a second hand report from a “news” site...
I’m not sure what your point is, Biden was also part of the Obama-Biden Administration in case you forgot
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Biden gives democrats a false
Biden gives democrats a false hope as he is just another falsified leader working for the richest people in the world who actually control the country and media. He helped build the cages for immigrants which Trump then used the same. That's called team work. Republicans and Democrats work together. The media backs the democrats because it makes them more popular but the Democratic based media stations were silent back when Obama was rounding up immigrants. They were also silent when we invaded Syria and rarely report on the topic today. The next invasion of a secular Middle East nation will be under Biden and once again the democrats will be silent. But you guys are better than Republicans right?
While you sit and celebrate the win of your guy in the presidential office a family is being drone bombed in Syria. Hope you guys feel good about that.
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lol lumber -- you need
lol lumber -- you need verification, go look that shit up -- i'm not doing your research for you. sorry you don't believe it. typically the case for people who can't see past red and blue.
lumber, did the lincoln project approve this hire?
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fish -- so biden hires people
fish -- so biden hires people that support family separation means nothing? interesting take. so gullible.
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Probably we should just all
Im pointing out that we just elected someone who was part of that administration already obvious. Appointment of someone else from that administration is further stating the obvious. Not gullible, but it appears from Biden himself that he could do better. Let’s not give him the chance, right?
Probably we should just all commit suicide, I mean it’s humans doing this stuff, no? Gosh how can we live as humans
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mass suicide sounds great.
mass suicide sounds great. when do we start?
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^^ bag'a hammers I tell ya -
^^ bag'a hammers I tell ya - ya know pyro, if you were twice as smart, you'd still be a fucking embarrassing moron.
"Bush and Obama did not have policies that resulted in the mass separation of parents and children like we’re seeing under the current administration,” Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst with the Migration Policy Institute, told us.
Did the Obama Administration Separate Families? - FactCheck.org
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-...
Facebook, erroneously claims that former President Barack Obama separated many more children than President Donald Trump did.
Next to a photo of Obama, it reads: “89,000 children separated from parents at border. Result – Silence.”
“1900 children separated from parents at border,” the text reads next to a photo of Trump. “Result – Media Frenzy.”
The “89,000” figure used in the meme is similar to previous claims that “90,000” children were separated under Obama — a number the Associated Press last year pointed out may have been incorrectly pulled from a 2016 Senate report. The report said that, since the beginning of fiscal year 2014, the Obama administration had placed “almost 90,000” unaccompanied children “with sponsors in the United States.”
At the time, the U.S. was experiencing an influx of unaccompanied children arriving at the border from Central America. The “90,000” figure largely represented children who had arrived at the border without a parent or guardian (though, as we said earlier, there may have been limited cases in which children were separated for the child’s safety).
Falsehoods About Family Separations Linger Online - FactCheck.org
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/falsehoods-about-family-separations-li...
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>>lol lumber -- you need verification, go look that shit up -- i'm not doing your research for you<<
no, pyramid, you made the claim, now go ahead and defend it. Show some data. Are you too lazy to try to prove your claim? Or are you afraid to dig deeper and find no correlation?
Sorry you can't prove your claims, typical of those with a specious understanding of the issues.
>lumber, did the lincoln project approve this hire<
Don't know. I'll let you know if they release a video.
Nice red herring though. Typical of those who a unable to defend their claims.
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hahahahah this is how the
hahahahah this is how the neolibs are spinning this now and shit eating ras has taken a huge bite.
"they came to the border parentless so we had to put them in cages".
classic.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Timpy
Timpy
what the hell do you support?
or feel good about,,
everyone (else?) is wrong, weak and evil
what is good about life?
you love tossing turds. What kind of man are you ?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Can't believe I'm trying to
Can't believe I'm trying to educate an asshole who doesn't have the mental capacity to read, and comprehend.
pyro, seriously where do you get your news ? Ah who cares, I'm done with you n yours - " I can't even touch the books you've read" (Facebook)
Obama administration had placed “almost 90,000” unaccompanied children “with sponsors in the United States.”
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
112 out of 112, lumber. sorry
112 out of 112, lumber. sorry corporate dems losing in dem strongholds b/c they can't back m4a, and real people winning in republicans leaning districts b/c they backed m4a and a gnd makes you flustered. question it all you want. i read the data. it's there. you can seek it out.
but, here's some data for you, from the sunrise movement -- now please discredit.
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-b4b4-dc7f-a3fd-bdf660490000
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
While at it
While at it
Hey heated
Call this psychobabble as you wish. I did sit on these questions for a day before sharing my thought FWIW but you continue to attack at will You appear So damn wounded I don't see you providing a positive direction or path...
Didn’t want to make a personal attack, but do not understand nor appreciate your behavior as one of the sour grapes kings...
As you can’t chill at all here are questions to better understand your thought process (the head Trump troll has never answered any )
1: When a girlfriend / other dumps you, how long does it take for you to get over it? Or do you never recover, and are you bitter at your ex for life?
2: If a girlfriend/ other were to dump you, would you blame yourself, hate the ex, or despise the man she is now with?
Psychobabble? Or rational curiosity based on how “ spun / angry” you appear It can't be healthy
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lol ras, you eat shit off the
^hahahahahha. wow. anybody know this guy in real life? is he as insane as he is on here?
lol ras, you eat shit off the ground like a dog.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Neolib fucks!
Neolib fucks!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
Sheesh im Sure there is a
Sheesh im Sure there is a country out there better suited for you. You can spend a lifetime figuring out ways to hate anything that happens, but you already know that
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^you suggested the mass
^you suggested the mass suicide....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
>>you eat shit off the ground
>>you eat shit off the ground like a dog.
My dog doesn't eat shit, but Divine did at the end of Pink Flamingos.
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what kind of man are you>>>
what kind of man are you>>>
As you have already stated LLTD I'm the kind of man who points out evil no matter where it is and who it may make uncomfortable. When I can I'll tell you the truth whether or not you're ready for it and no matter how you feel about it. You're welcome.
But politics are worthless topics as they will never change in my lifetime. You will all just get angry at the people telling you how it is and love those who are fucking you over. Enjoy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
I'm not flustered, pyramid. I'm not sure why you defending your statements makes you upset.
Thanks for providing the link, I'll check it out.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
so just to be clear, hiring
so just to be clear, hiring people who support family separation and putting humans (little kids, infants) in cages is OK, but only if the dems make the hire.
is this correct, thod, ned, ras, and all the rest of our neoliberal fucks here?
thank you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
Did you think my suggestion
It seems by electing this President, we are...it has nothing to do with his appointment.
Did you think my suggestion was because I felt that way or could it perhaps have been contextual based on how someone here seems to have an issue with everything
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
biden was a perfect candidate
biden was a perfect candidate for republicans like yourself.
family separation doesn't bother you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
Seems Biden has a problem
Seems Biden has a problem with it and this is good enough for me
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
but his hire says otherwise?
but his hire says otherwise?
^and that says it all right there, folks.
biden said it, it's good enough! it's not trump (although they did exact or similar things) hahahaha.
i gotta go for now, but fuck you all and have a great day -- even shit eating ras and baby bitch thod !
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
By your logic the election
By your logic the election itself says otherwise. Not sure the sudden outrage over an appointment that came from the same administration that the president that WE just elected came from. He acknowledges the need to do better. Not a common trait in humans to acknowledge their faults. So it’s normal that you are struggling with the concept
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
It's really a circular
It's really a circular discussion with ogkb. He detests the system, so any person that is part of the system is the problem. The Republicans, Tea Party, neoliberal fucks, corporate apologists, etc are all the same. Anyone who supports any of them are all the same.
In my opinion it's pretty bleak to paint almost everyone with such a dark and negative brush, and to see it as so black and white. Sure, in a way it is "us vs them," but not everyone is "them," at least not all the time.
As I've stated 100 times, when there are more Progressives in Congress and state legislatures, then there will be a more progressive president. It's not that complicated.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
Yup all politics is local
Yup all politics is local
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>As I've stated 100 times, when there are more Progressives in Congress and state legislatures, then there will be a more progressive president. It's not that complicated<
I believe that 2028 might be that tipping point
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
From Gallup:
From Gallup:
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As Americans continued to lean more Democratic than Republican in their party preferences in 2019, the ideological balance of the country remained center-right, with 37% of Americans, on average, identifying as conservative during the year, 35% as moderate and 24% as liberal.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
If Progressives keep winning
If Progressives keep winning those swing districts and getting their message out to the working class, the Democratic platform will move sharply left, even under a Harris administration.
As for the fallacy that we can simply stop bombing places, I don't know what to say. We have played a big part in creating shitshows, and simply pulling out isn't really an option because it leaves massive power vacuums. Our withdrawals need to be deliberate and part of long-term visions and diplomatic policies. I don't care who the President is, Biden, Trump, Gabbard, AOC, not one of them could or would end our involvement in all those places with a pen-stroke.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Pyramid, a quick skim of your link provided no proof of correlation between m4a support and winning. M4a is mentioned in one brief bullet point, with scant analysis.
"All of the Democrats in swing districts who are Medicare for All co-sponsors won their
re-elections, and all-but-one of the Democrats in swing districts who are Green New Deal
co-sponsors won their re-elections."
Did Biden carry these districts? Or was it Trump?
I'm looking for a deeper analysis. I imagine most of those 112 cosponsors were from solid democratic districts. It could very well be the top of the ticket driving down ballot results in these republican leaning districts. (ie )A conservative democrat losing in a republican district could just as easily be attributed to having Trump driving turnout. Similarly, if Biden carried these republican leaning districts, was it the top of the ticket affecting the down ballot vote?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
>>I'm looking for a deeper
>>I'm looking for a deeper analysis.
You may as well be looking for proof that there's a god. That's not something that ogkb can do. He tends to read opinions based on faulty analyses, and then pass them off as fact.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
i wonder if heater's pizza
i wonder if heater's pizza shop patrons know that he thinks they are all idiotic neo liberal corporate fucks.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jazfish
Blah, blah ah,,,
Blah, blah ah,,,
Bla,,,,h.
Cough
Bla
Bl
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jazfish
America wants to be moderate
America wants to be moderate again.
Let's roll.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind
America just wants the
America just wants the shitshow to end. Trump has dominated the rap for far too long.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force
Make America Dank Again!
Make America Dank Again!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
careful rrg, he got his apron
rrg, he got his apron on now
he'll be flouncin' around the room.
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(No subject)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind
> Make America Dank Again!
> Make America Dank Again!
I'm doing my part everyday and hope everyone here is too.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
^^^. Hahahahahaha
^^^. Hahahahahaha
u a joke son
use the mirror neo crazyfuck
keep screaming at yourself
do you pay for health insurance for your employees?
i knew you would love my analogy. Anger issues?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
Hey, it's friendly JR. He
Hey, did I see friendly JR up there? He always posts nice things about other people. He's a real peach!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Whatever kind of progressive
Whatever kind of progressive movement there is will be cut short and be dried out by the love of greed in politics. In my life time there will be no progressive movement at all. Maybe in 100 years if he human race makes it that far. The USA is starting to feel the effects of all that evil we have imposed, Brian K. First it was Trump and now Covid Satan. We are only getting what we deserve and yes the democrats are a large part of it.
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Have to agree with timpy with
Have to agree with timpy with that last post
I hate politicians
I hope we evolve
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
You live in a bleak, bleak
You live in a bleak, bleak world.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>Whatever kind of progressive movement there is will be cut short and be dried out...<<
idk, Timpane, my kids' generation gives me hope. I could be wrong, but I keep hoping I'm right.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Politicians will always be
Politicians will always be corrupted and corruptible. They have power. However, in this country they still get their power from the people. The DNC and RNC can say this or that and make them do this or that, but it means nothing if the people don't vote for them. When the people actually start voting on the progressive ideals that they say they want, then that's what we'll get.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
<< You live in a bleak,
<< You live in a bleak, bleak world.
Sucks being a bernie baby these days, waaah waaaah waaaaah
And if this is the base, I pity their brand spankin new 2024 third party
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^fucking shit eating moron
^fucking shit eating moron lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
what's the obsession w/ what
what's the obsession w/ what i do?
what do you fucks do for a living?
jr? rrg? thod? lltd?
thod you literally stalk my business page and post shit here. apparently rrg does as well.
pretty strange tbh.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
<<<>>>When the people
<<<>>>When the people actually start voting on the progressive ideals that they say they want, then that's what we'll get.
you said you didn't even support bernie in the primary and that he shouldn't be president. i know i know -- having a president that actually wants to help the people won't do shit -- we have to vote for progressive high bailiffs first. hahahahaha. that's so fucking funny to type out, god damn, bk.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I said that he was a terrible
I said that he was a terrible choice for president, at this time. If you think that he would have been in any way effective, you're tripping.
You're too focused on the presidency. There are thousands of elected roles that fall between the high bailiff and president.
Jesus, even in Vermont we have a Republican governor. We are also the only state to have never elected a female to Congress. It has to start locally. You don't agree, and think that a president can wave a magic wand and change hearts and minds. That's just silly.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
you're just exaggerating and
you're just exaggerating and putting words in my mouth.
to pretend having bernie at the top wouldnt instantly change what's even being discussed in congress is silly.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Rational people would express
Rational people reconsider
past 100% wrongness
Why not try rationality?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
weird steve -- you believe
weird steve -- you believe russiagate -- shut the fuck up, sport.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Me & the Senate Intelligence
Me & the Senate Intelligence Committee, and most non-Trumpers.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Dude, the Republican Senate
Dude, the Republican Senate is going to block most, if not all, of Biden's more liberal cabinet appointees. A progressive president would be dead in the water.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
i thought the blue wave was
i thought the blue wave was to expand the corporate dem senate? what happened?
bernie would have gone to states and districts and had their corporate dem representatives primaried as he made clear why those politicians don't represent what the people want. it'd be totally different man. you don't see that?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
C'mon, they were effective at
C'mon, they were effective at painting Biden as a Commie, and in part it got Trump the 2nd highest numbering votes in history.
A majority of Republicans in this country believe that QAnon is at least partially true. 28% of Democrats believe that it may hold water. That's the nation we're dealing with.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
heater, I only asked you
heater, I only asked you about health care as you talk about it endlessly
i don't give a fuk what you do , after having heard you make pizza pies, I shared the recipe of one I liked, and mentioned that it might be fun to share one with you one day
i hope you enjoy what you do for a living, and feel you contribute to society
I only asked that if you employ people do you contribute to their healthcare
you do t seem able to cut any slack and appear to be very angry
lots of insults that you spew Don't know how that helps you
i am optimistic about the future There are many bad people in this world, and many good ones
i am not a complete pessimist, perhaps somewhat a realist as compromise is needed to move the needle
and hate what politicians often do, especially ones on the right
I call myself an independent not because I am between red and blue , it hate many of the compromises that dems make, just hate repugs for being so backwards and caring about rich people so FN much
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
you asked, This guy's number
you asked, This guy's number one job is raising five kids just so you know
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
wait.
wait.
people actually are posting about you or whatever on your BUSINESS pages pyramid??
if any of you are, seriously shame on you. deplorable. not entirely surprising as it is a hallmark of a creepy fuck zone style.
get ready for 4 years of further nothing all the while entrenching the big flag people's attidutes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
So Turts, when the Biden
So Turts, when the Biden administration does something positive, which it will, are you going to give due credit?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
i don't care what anybody
I would never pay $2 for ranch and if i saw that on a menu i would be slightly offended.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
pretty sure TOD posted on
pretty sure TOD posted on pyramids website.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind
> A majority of Republicans
> A majority of Republicans in this country believe that QAnon is at least partially true. 28% of Democrats believe that it may hold water. That's the nation we're dealing with.
There was an interesting article in the Atlantic last week about how Trump sold so many so much bullshit:
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
>>> shut the fuck up, sport
>>> shut the fuck up, sport.
>>> shut the fuck up, sport.
>>> shut the fuck up, sport.
You seem to be an angry little person.
That's too bad.
Hope you learn to enjoy life before it is over.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^^^ BK -- why wouldn't
^lol.
BK -- why wouldn't reasonable people give due credit? fuck man, that's an msnbc question right there.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Do you watch CNN or MSNBC? I
Do you watch CNN or MSNBC? I don't.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
honestly lltd -- that pizza
honestly lltd -- that pizza you posted looked fucked up nasty and i would never share that sloppy ass fucked up american trash w/ you.
you seem super angry as you have called for the death of people here, lol, remember? haha come on man.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
then why do you ask absurd
BK -- then why do you ask absurd baited questions like how the corporate media does -- perfect example above.
my guess is -- turtle would of course give due credit -- he's not a trash monster corporate apologist like many here who can only praise their neolibs, never criticize -- one massively important difference between liberals and the progressive base of bernie/aoc/etc.
thought you would know that as a self proclaimed real progressive.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
It wasn't an absurd question,
It wasn't an absurd question, I have no idea if the MSM would ask it (nor do I care), and the question was for Turts. You're super agro and looking to fight.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
not at all -- just calling
not at all -- just calling out your bs man.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
What BS, that I don't watch
What BS, that I don't watch CNN or MSNBC?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
Jake Tapper is pretty legit
Anderson Cooper got choked up on air a couple days ago which made me emotional too.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
you asking your absurd
^haha
BK -- you asking your absurd question.
like if biden canceled student loan debt -- why the fuck wouldn't reasonable people applaud that and give credit?
just b/c we think he's status quo trash that's only loyal to his corporate masters?
that's weak.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Meh, that shit is all opinion
Meh, that shit is all opinion. When I want to check out the bloviating drivel of people who (sadly) know less than me, I come here. Ha ha.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
What's really stupid is that
What's really stupid is that you think that any president can eliminate student loan debt. Do you even know how our government works?
Like I said, bloviating drivel...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
lol, you know you asked a
lol, you know you asked a stupid fucking question, and you're just avoiding accepting that low level bs.
par for the course tbh.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Smh
Smh
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Smh
Smh
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
he can cancel it through
he can cancel it through executive order.
wtf is wrong w/ you?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Temporarily. It would take an
Temporarily. It would take an act of Congress to cancel out over a trillion in debt. There's that "magic wand," the executive order.
Did you give Trump credit for his executive order on federal student loan relief for COVID?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
sure if biden does something
sure if biden does something postivie i'll golf clap.
is he rescheduling cannabis from class 1?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
sure if biden does something
sure if biden does something postivie i'll golf clap.
is he rescheduling cannabis from class 1?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
haha and there it is again.
haha and there it is again. awesome.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
For someone so self assured,
For someone so self assured, my god, you are really ignorant. Honestly, lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
so you can't see past red or
so you can't see past red or blue either. amazing.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I see past that tough veneer,
I see past that tough veneer, to the beauty in your heart.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
please help me.
please help me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Haha mr haha
Haha
mr haha
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Ha ha mr ha ha
Ha ha mr ha ha
it must hurt to be so angry
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
ha ha mr hater
ha ha mr hater
I don't like republicans, is that ok Bernie bro ?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Mr ha ha
Mr ha ha
bernie lost
please never get over it
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Ha ha
Ha ha
Please spew gate against all that disagree with you
it very attractive, and an indicator of a well adjusted person
yes you are competing with Bry bot now for most delusional
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
And thanks for haha insulting
And thanks for haha insulting a pizza I enjoy
that you have never tasted
it must suck because I like it
haha
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Ha ha hater
Ha ha hater
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
ha ha hater
ha ha hater
The line is a circle
when you go too far to the left or right
you end up in The same place
irrationality
?
please post 20 times a day for the next 200 days
it will "help" you
turts fwiw I would never consider looking at that guys personal shit
even if I thought he was a price of one but I expect you know that
AND YES I ADMIT TO BEING ANGRY AT TRUMP AND THE MORON SYNCHOPHANTS AND COWARDS in this country for months
ha ya are you angry?
and why?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
ha ha hater
ha ha hater
The line is a circle
when you go too far to the left or right
you end up in The same place
irrationality
?
please post 20 times a day for the next 200 days
it will "help" you
turts fwiw I would never consider looking at that guys personal shit
even if I thought he was a price of one but I expect you know that
AND YES I ADMIT TO BEING ANGRY AT TRUMP AND THE MORON SYNCHOPHANTS AND COWARDS in this country for months
ha ya are you angry?
and why?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Good grief.
Good... grief.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
good greif charlie brown
good grief charlie brown
snoopy rocked!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
so much wasted bandwidth
so much wasted bandwidth
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Impossible to open the eyes
Impossible to open the eyes of our mentally challenged zoners, don't let it get under your skin lltd
Be happy the great majority here see clearly
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Ogkb is like that insult dog.
Ogkb is like that insult dog. I asked Turts a very simple question and got 8 posts of insults.
The best part is that he really has no clue what he's talking about. It has nothing to do with agreeing with his politics, he's just completely ignorant about Civics. Ignorant and unwilling to learn...
Ogkb, if you have a library card, through the VT Library System you have free access to Universal Class Online. You'd do well to sign up and enroll in the "US Government" class. It would really help you to formulate your opinions, perhaps in a way where you can have intelligent debate rather than dumbass insults. The reality is, right now you spout off shit that shows your complete ignorance. You then you try to call it fact, and put people down for not "seeing it" as you do. https://vermontstate.universalclass.com/barcode-login.htm?enter+code
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
You can talk till yer blue in
You can talk till yer blue in the face, most repubs n bernie babies will just never get inspired.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
In a van down by the river.
In a van down by the river.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
haha wow ........yikes. lltd
haha wow ........yikes. lltd very angry still. maybe he slept it off?
bk -- sorry man, you asked a stupid question.
if biden does good will you pat him on the back?
that's what you asked.
bk -- why didn't you vote for obama -- twice?
so weird.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
First, I asked Turts a
First, I asked Turts a question. It's not a question I would even ask you.
I didn't vote for Obama because he was too conservative for me, and I knew that VT was going to go Blue. I felt that I could vote my conscience. In 2016 things changed and Trump came on the scene. I believed that my vote had to be a big "fuck you" to that douchebag, and I did it again in 2020. If a different candidate had been running, my votes would have gone to someone other than Clinton or Biden. Would it have been Bernie? Probably not. Would it have been to someone on the far left? Absolutely.
Meanwhile, a number of Bernie supporters here voted for Biden this year, even in states that weren't swing. You've said nothing to them. Their votes were no different than mine. All you do is berate people who disagree with you.
You have a weak mind, kid. Again, it's because of your arrogance combined with ignorance.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
you're mad b/c i called out
you're mad b/c i called out your question, to turtle, for being a baited gotcha question, which it is. it's ok man, you asked that. fine. own it tho.
your justification for not voting for the first black president is sad. especially since you have been saying for years somebody like bernie can't be president -- that you support more of a compromise candidate, a neoliberal.
and you've been slingin' insults all thread, so stop being such a baby.
wow.
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You are arrogant. That's a
You are arrogant. That's a fact. You are ignorant. That is also a fact. Those aren't insults.
Turts can answer for himself, which he did. I don't think that he needs you to jump in.
Get a grip.
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and he did -- he answered
and he did -- he answered your question man.
your facts are the best facts, bk. you're all over the place man.
you're doing what you say i do. project much?
please never change.
4.46
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Lltd with 9 posts in a row in
Lltd with 9 posts in a row in under 10 minutes. Impressive, to say the least.
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Yes, he did. You're the one
Yes, he did. You're the one who has posted about it over and over.
I'm not angry, silly.
My facts are facts. My assessment of situations, based on facts, is debatable. That's how it works. Your facts are opinions, often based on whatever you are basing it on. For instance, it is not a fact that a president can erase $1.5 trillion in student debt with a pen stroke. That's not even an opinion. It's just a total lack of understanding of our political system.
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biden can use executive order
biden can use executive order on student debt.
this is a fact.
it's not the only method.
also a fact.
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As I said, he can use
As I said, he can use executive order to a degree.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2020/11/11/3-ways-joe-biden-co...
See # 3.
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yup, he can use executive
yup, he can use executive order. it says it right in there.
cancel all of it and let it go to the courts.
why not?
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Executive order
An executive order is a means of issuing federal directives in the United States, used by the president of the United States, that manages operations of the federal government.[1] The legal or constitutional basis for executive orders has multiple sources. Article Two of the United States Constitution gives the president broad executive and enforcement authority to use their discretion to determine how to enforce the law or to otherwise manage the resources and staff of the executive branch. The ability to make such orders is also based on expressed or implied Acts of Congress that delegate to the president some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[2]
Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review and may be overturned if the orders lack support by statute or the Constitution. Some policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes. As the head of state and head of government of the United States, as well as commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces, only the president of the United States can issue an executive order.
Presidential executive orders, once issued, remain in force until they are canceled, revoked, adjudicated unlawful, or expire on their terms. At any time, the president may revoke, modify, or make exceptions from any executive order, whether the order was made by the current president or a predecessor. Typically, a new president reviews in-force executive orders in the first few weeks in office.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order
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https://apnews.com/article
https://apnews.com/article/trump-campaign-lawsuit-pennsylvania-fe4754fa7cd077d66854c724e1df91e7
Chimp drop key lawsuit in PA. Why would he do this ? Un-Less,,,, it was all bullshit,,,. Hmmmm
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"If Biden used executive
"If Biden used executive action to cancel student loans, there would likely be legal challenges (based on a Separation of Powers argument), which could delay any such student loan forgiveness for borrowers."
Look, man, as someone with student loan debt I hope he does something. It's killing the economy and housing market. That doesn't mean that he has the power to make it go away with a pen stroke. You have to know that.Our current SCOTUS, a majority of which are strict Constitutionalists, will shut that shit down before anyone's loians are forgiven.
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pheat literally takes a piece
pheat literally takes a piece of the puzzle that fits his delusional alternative facts and runs with it.
fuckin' mess
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yeah, maybe you're right
yeah, maybe you're right about the SC.
then let's see what happens after.
thod how about that hire. i know you didn't care about the kids in cages before trump, but now you do, so maybe you feel silly?
nah, probably not, you just don't understand.
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I have Federal loans, and I'm
I have Federal loans, and I'm part of the "Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program," which requires that I make 10 years worth of monthly payments and the rest of my debt goes away. Payments were suspended from March to September. Trump extended it through December. Those 9 months of no payments count towards my 10 years of uninterrupted payments.
Every little bit...
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Biden has said that he's
Biden has said that he's going to do what he can to eliminate student debt. All we can do is hope that he follows through, in whatever ways that he can.
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yeah that's good.
yeah that's good.
they should suspend fed loan payments until covid is over.
will we see that? i don't think so.
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>>> yeah, maybe you're right
>>> yeah, maybe you're right about the SC <<<
you think? lol
you and your gotchyas
go for a hike, might do you some good.
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Even Trump pushed them back
Even Trump pushed them back once. It'll probably happen again. It has to be easier than the paperwork to putt millions of people in forbearance.
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yeah dare the sc to overturn
yeah dare the sc to overturn helping millions of people from all backgrounds.
and before you scream about the ACA, thod, yes, the ACA is a bad piece of legislation written by healthcare lobbyists, and should be replaced w/ M4A.
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ok looper
ok looper
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Bk these long and drawn out
Bk these long and drawn out internet battles day in and day out can't be good for an old fragile man coming up on another surgery like yourself. High blood pressure also leads to low t. Just sayin
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BK has been in a long drawn
BK has been in a long drawn out internet battle for years: dogman>garbagezone>heater and timpy
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Who is battling?
Who is battling?
MY BP is stellar, thank you, and I'm fit as a fiddle.
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I thought you said you were
I thought you said you were going back in for surgery? Beware of the opioid pharmaceuticals
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No sir. I had my second
No sir. I had my second surgery back in June. I'd love to never see the inside of a hospital ever again.
The opiates served a very short-term purpose. I didn't even finish half of my scrip.
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That's good, BK. See it doesn
That's good, BK. See it doesn't need to be all arguing and internet feuds. Hope you're feeling better, Kimosabi.