I guess we will just have to take the word of the FBI on this without any evidence. Same people who fed you the bs about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. People are so gullible.
Just because they BSed about WMDs, over a decade ago, doesn't mean everything is BS. They are all intelligence agencies, and info from them should be suspect, but I'm guessing that this one is true. There has been hard data for years that the Kremlin engages in cyber shit.
Snowden tweeted earlier this year that NSA has the capability to track the source of such a hack. He cited Xkeyscore, a pre-Snowden secret computer system used by the NSA for searching and analyzing global internet data, that “makes following exfiltrated data easy. I did this personally against Chinese ops
you're absolutely right, tom, using those incredibly powerful nsa security apparatuses the feds publicized evidence in previous hacking scenarios, most notably the sony hack – they shared with the public exactly what happened.
in departing from precedent, with this alleged dnc hack, the nsa has not released any evidence, despite clearly having the security apparatuses to do so.
until that happens, until the feds abide by their own set precedent and release such evidence linking any actors to the alleged hack, i hate to say it, this remains one huge sloppy political story.
Lava, if there is evidence, I imagine I will be included in the report that the Obama administration releases. I don't think McCain and Graham would have concluded it was the Russians without evidence.
till then, it realistically sounds more like a leak, and not a hack, as previous intelligence whistle-blowers have stated.
The bottom line is that the NSA would know where and how any “hacked” emails from the DNC, HRC or any other servers were routed through the network. This process can sometimes require a closer look into the routing to sort out intermediate clients, but in the end sender and recipient can be traced across the network.
Multiple other nations (some previous Soviet states) have come forward and publicly stated that they have also suffered political hacking by Russia in the same manner as is suspected here.
Some questions to ask yourselves:
Why would they confirm this, do they have anything to gain by stating these facts?
Why would Putin, who after decades in power throughout which he has gotten the last 3 Presidents to try and "reset" with him only to show his true colors, suddenly become a real Mr. Nice Guy?
Why would the various Republican leaders jump so quickly to their levels of assumed guilt of Russia when they could just as easily make vanila statements like "we have certainly seen a good deal of at least circumstantial evidence of possible foul play and simply believe, given the potential gravity of the allegations, that we delve deeper into this"?
Those are just some high level queries that should jolt even the most partisan.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 08:09 am
That's because Trump colluded
That's because Trump colluded with the Russians on the hacking
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jon jonnyjonjon
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 08:12 am
dude, i started a thread on
dude, i started a thread on this in the politics folder......
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 02:26 pm
I guess we will just have to
I guess we will just have to take the word of the FBI on this without any evidence. Same people who fed you the bs about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. People are so gullible.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cb shuffle
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 02:32 pm
people who fed you the bs
people who fed you the bs about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction<<<
That was the CIA
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 02:34 pm
^Yup. They are the ones
^Yup. They are the ones saying this about Russia now. James Comey is really reliable too. We should jut take their word for it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout hounder
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 02:41 pm
weird timing
weird timing
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 02:41 pm
Just because they BSed about
Just because they BSed about WMDs, over a decade ago, doesn't mean everything is BS. They are all intelligence agencies, and info from them should be suspect, but I'm guessing that this one is true. There has been hard data for years that the Kremlin engages in cyber shit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 02:48 pm
Why exactly are you guessing
Why exactly are you guessing this one is true? Just wondering, since there's no evidence.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 02:48 pm
Snowden tweeted earlier this
Snowden tweeted earlier this year that NSA has the capability to track the source of such a hack. He cited Xkeyscore, a pre-Snowden secret computer system used by the NSA for searching and analyzing global internet data, that “makes following exfiltrated data easy. I did this personally against Chinese ops
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5865cec6e4b0eb586488e782
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 03:07 pm
^So, if they have the
^So, if they have the evidence and have easily tracked it then they should be able to show it. Makes it even more suspect.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: makaha lava
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 03:11 pm
you're absolutely right tom,
you're absolutely right, tom, using those incredibly powerful nsa security apparatuses the feds publicized evidence in previous hacking scenarios, most notably the sony hack – they shared with the public exactly what happened.
in departing from precedent, with this alleged dnc hack, the nsa has not released any evidence, despite clearly having the security apparatuses to do so.
until that happens, until the feds abide by their own set precedent and release such evidence linking any actors to the alleged hack, i hate to say it, this remains one huge sloppy political story.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 03:14 pm
It's prettt simple. Show the
It's pretty simple. Show the evidence. The UN has chosen not do anything against Russia so it obviously they don't believe the US.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Jackstraw Fafa
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 03:17 pm
More fake news.......
More fake news.......
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 03:20 pm
Lava, if there is evidence, I
Lava, if there is evidence, I imagine I will be included in the report that the Obama administration releases. I don't think McCain and Graham would have concluded it was the Russians without evidence.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: makaha lava
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 03:25 pm
i sure hope so.
i sure hope so.
till then, it realistically sounds more like a leak, and not a hack, as previous intelligence whistle-blowers have stated.
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/29/top-secret-snowden-document-reveals-what-the-nsa-knew-about-previous-russian-hacking/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ________ Heybrochacho
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 03:50 pm
Trump hates the government.
Trump hates the government. That's why he ran for president.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: krab groad1123
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 04:28 pm
Trump hates the government.
Trump hates the government. That's why he ran for president>>>>
Expand that hate to include anything that is not white, male, rich, and Christian, he is a Repulicunt, after all.....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 04:31 pm
He loves his daughter (maybe
He loves his daughter (maybe in a triangle sort of way!) and she's a Jew.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Markd (not MarkD) Mdono1
on Friday, December 30, 2016 – 05:24 pm
Multiple other nations (some
Multiple other nations (some previous Soviet states) have come forward and publicly stated that they have also suffered political hacking by Russia in the same manner as is suspected here.
Some questions to ask yourselves:
Those are just some high level queries that should jolt even the most partisan.