Support your artists
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I know many of us have been watching any number of live streams recently to scratch our collective concert itch. I'm curious if many/any of you have donated, bought merch or paid for a stream during those streams. If not, I urge you to do so because word within the industry is that nobody will be touring again until 2022 at the earliest...vaccine or not. There will probably be some outdoor shows that will not come close to resembling what we are used to but they will be on the small side and probably not with any of the top and secondary tier of artists performing. It's a shame that sales of recordings has pretty much gone the way of the dodo bird. Services like Spotify don't pay enough for most artists to even survive at the poverty level. Live performances will probably be pay-for-streams and we all know that those get bootlegged in moments these days. One person pays for the stream and 2800 others watch for free somewhere on the internet.
Quality music is not free and has real costs involved regardless of what many seem to think. Think of how much you are probably saving on ticket cost and the other miscellaneous costs that come along with going to a show. If each person donated or bought merch in the amount of the price of a ticket, there will be some entertainment options available in these tough times for performers. If at least some income comes in a lot of them have a chance to survive until things get somewhat back to normal...or at least allow them to adapt to the new normal. If there is no income, there won't be the diversity of sounds that we seem to thrive on.
It's going to up to you.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
I bought a bunch of Bandcamp
I bought a bunch of Bandcamp stuff last fee free day.
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AMSaddler, I don't know what
OP - agree with the sentiment of your post even if I disagree with (or maybe am just misreading) most of the actual post.
Artist "tier"s..??
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
Artist "tier"s..??
I am using this definition when I refer to tiers: a level or grade within the hierarchy of an organization or system.
Top tier: Artists that normally tour arenas and stadiums
Second tier: Artist that normally tour venues of approximately 3,000 - 7,500 tickets.
There is some overlap, especially as the venues get smaller. Some artists can go big in some markets and small in others.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
nobody will be touring again
why would people still not tour if there is a vaccine?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
why would people still not
They reason they won't be tourning until 2022 is the time frame to get enough people vaccinated. First a vaccine has to be developed and some safety checks need to be in place. The next step will be vaccinating everyone. That will take at least a full year in the best case scenario. It could be as long as 3 years before that will come to be.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sound and Vision
Shanahan mentions a vaccine
Shanahan mentions a vaccine too. Not sure how I feel about vaccinating everyone even after trials. *sigh*
"Chicago's indie music venues, closed due to the pandemic, aren't giving up their fight for their future and the hope of reopening. Joe Shanahan, owner of local venues Metro and Smart Bar, joined Good Day Chicago to talk about how they can keep the music playing."
https://www.fox32chicago.com/video/689202?fbclid=IwAR0f9DSFDk667GoiwzIMF...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Seattle club owners
Seattle club owners struggling to stay afloat:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/music/as...
If national acts won't tour because clubs will only be open with drastically reduced capacity, an opportunity will arise for local artists to have greater visibility by being booked in these venues. With tourist traffic reduced, it will be up to individual locales to nurture and support their local talent. Some of our greatest art has been influenced and produced in times of adversity. An artistic renaissance could be the silver lining to this pandemic. Art should ultimately be about Art, not money. If it produces money, great, but that isn't the goal.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
Supporting local artists is
Supporting local artists is right on, Herbal Dave.
While I have always liked to check out what's going on locally, I stepped up my support for more local acts years ago when Live Nation destroyed the national concert scene. Their subsequent merger with Ticketmaster was a crime beyond belief. I reluctantly went to large venues a few times a year to see and support my most favorite large acts - but no fucking stadiums. I will never do a stadium show ever again. Besides - if you are an artist that can play a show in a stadium - then you're doing just fine without my support. (Now all the employees at large venues is a different story I know, but that's another thread) I'm very lucky to have a venue very close by that maxes out at 200, but whose owners understand what quality music is and they bring many fine national bluegrass acts as well as rock, jazz, reggae and folk acts - they mainly book a lot of local and regional talent. Hope they can get back on their feet sometime soon - but I am patient to wait for everyone to feel comfortable - artists, promoters and fans alike. Until then - I will get take out from their restaurant to help them make it through.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
You know, part of being an
You know, part of being an artist is having and developing the ability to derive income from multiple creative sources. To stick and move. Bob and weave. Sometimes you have to change the product. Sometimes you have to change the delivery. Other times you have to change the venue. Often times, you will go for long periods with no financial income. Artists know this is part of the deal. Once in a while, you need to change up the whole entire show. If you’re expecting someone else to broker your talent for you, you might actually be more of a craftsperson than an artist. The demand for proper music isn’t going to go away. The traditional revenue streams will. Real artists don’t stop making art because there’s a recession or a plague going on, but I also agree - if you find enjoyment in their art; express it by throwing them some money.
like 6, I can say pretty confidently that I’m never buying a livenation or Ticketmaster ticket ever again.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
I got one have never paid for
I for one have never paid for a stream
nor have I ever watched any
I just can't Watch
never have
That time might come pretty soon
i prefer 3rd tier like Phil in his clubhouse
dnb
jgb
small clubs 1-2 times a week was my norm
with some 2nd tier warfield, Greek, Frost 1-3 a month
and maybe 12 1st tier (nostalgia shoes) a year sure miss the bridge / shoreline
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
I got one have never paid for
I for one have never paid for a stream
nor have I ever watched any
I just can't Watch
never have
That time might come pretty soon
i prefer 3rd tier like Phil in his clubhouse
dnb
jgb
small clubs 1-2 times a week was my norm
with some 2nd tier warfield, Greek, Frost 1-3 a month
and maybe 12 1st tier (nostalgia shoes) a year sure miss the bridge / shoreline
The small clubs are in trouble we will lose 30% or more
I would guess that less than 1% of musicians make a living
and 1% of those get rich
the starving artist has never been more true
most art is for love
i expect May great songs will be written
where the hell is hunter.....
pony up folks
I am aware I no longer spend on concerts and have reallocated to home improvement projects
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: the new, new mighty Quinn
yes, the Merlefest stream a
yes, the Merlefest stream a few weeks ago did motivate me to buy a couple Sam Bush CDs.
how will live music come back? Shapiro had some fantasy about instant testing on the way in, I don't see that happening soon either. I don't know how soon I'd feel safe going to a place like the Fillmore again. 2 years from now is probably realistic.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor
Why aren't all these people
Why aren't all these people getting the $600 a week PUA payout. Plus Unemployment $.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
Why aren't all these people
Because many of them don't draw a regular salary and don't qualify for unemployment. A good percentage of performers that aren't in a band that has a corporate structure are treated as independent contractors. Those who are treated as such have their income come from multiple locations in multiple states and might not build up enough time to qualify in a state for unemployment.. The same goes for crew since it is rare to be put on full-time salary as crew. Same with musicians who play regularly with a performer on tour. They are normally independent contractors.
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^I thought independent contractors qualified for the PPP?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
^ some are, some aren't
^ some are, some aren't
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor
Why is Phil doing these
Why is Phil doing these benefit broadcasts for his restaurant employees when they surely qualify for UI and PUA! Unless he paid them under the table?