United Airlines Passenger Violently Removed From Flight

Lawsuit anyone?

Yeah but United's CEO says the passenger who was beaten and removed was: "“disruptive and belligerent”, and told the airline’s employees that they “followed established procedures”.

So I'm wondering how long it will be before he resigns with a multi-million dollar severance package.

I love how nobody did anything but say, "oh my god, noooooo"

good sheeple

Would you have knocked out that policeman? Probably, right?

I'm with you dude, as soon as I buckle in for a flight my next step is to be alert for potential physical confrontations. Not sure what was up with all of those pussies. 

No, I would have stabbed him with the box cutter I always keester stash before every flight.

#resist

<<<I love how nobody did anything but say, "oh my god, noooooo"

We've been conditioned to comply.

"Sheeple" really is becoming a thing.

and United closed 1% higher yesterday.

unreal.

Nice would you have a weapon stored up your ass as well? Maybe one of those collapsible black jack beating sticks? 

I draw the line at sticking weapons up my butt but I'd definitely grab the oriental dudes feet as he is being dragged out and get in a tug of war. 

United stock down 3% might be time to buy.

>We've been conditioned to comply.

if you post this for 15 years to the same people on a dbmb I'm sure things will change 

Settle down, broch, no one expects to change things at the water cooler.

i don't think its a sheeple thing.

people should have intervened? see how that works out for you...

>>>>>We've been conditioned to comply

What could have been done to improve the outcome in this case?

Like I said, I love your passion. If I had an army of people like you we could change the world.

<<<people should have intervened? see how that works out for you

I have, on behalf of someone in a wheelchair who was being openly mocked by a TSA agent. 

Lost my place in line, missed my flight and they took my name. Posted about it at the old place when it happened.

I can understand why people don't intervene. It's inconvenient.

I saw a mooch of TSA agents once kicking an old lady but I was in the fly-by line so I had to keep moving. 

Those were not tsa brah. They po po.

You would have been arrested and charged w a pretty serious offense....

Power tripping TSA agents. Most aren't qualified to breathe never mind controlling a situation.   Yeah Patriot Act!  

>Those were not tsa brah. They po po.

TSA employs air marshals (air po po).  And yes they can lock you up. 

You would face federal charges if you intervened.

What I want to know is: Did he still get his $800 voucher?

Seems that they could avoid "having" to overbook ( I include employee seats) if they just raised the ticket price by a buck or two and resigned themselves to flying with an empty seat or two now and again on sold out flights.

Apparently this flight wasn't overbooked. The people who needed the seats were employees, not ticket-purchasers. 

If the employees had only been wearing yoga pants, they would have been denied entry for being inappropriately dressed and none of this would have happened. 

No worries Nugs, I don't have exclusive claim re: "outrage"! 

>>>I love how nobody did anything but say, "oh my god, noooooo"

good sheeple<<<

^ While I do believe we as a society have been conditioned to obey authority, I do believe there's been a bit of an "awakening" re: abuse of power over the past couple of years.  It'll certainly be interesting to see what might happen if an armed citizen opts to "intervene" in a situation where law enforcement has clearly crossed the line (yet again).  I supsect law enforcement would band together and dig in even further.

Another thing I find interesting is "when" would any of us feel things have "gone too far" in the macro sense and actually step up to the plate?  If we keep taking baby steps on our current trajectory, it's probably not going to happen; however, what if we started to see a sustained and escalating string of abuse of power by people in authority, when does one opt to take one's chances and "shoot it out in the street" vs. "hanging later" (in the vernacular of a western)?

Not saying it's going in that direction, but can't help but wonder if we've seen a "toe in the water" on that front?  (sorry if I've made you roll your eyes ned [and sf])

>>>  and United closed 1% higher yesterday.

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/04/10/2187233/traders-appreciate-united...

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With all that in mind, consider what happened with United Airlines recently. A 69-year-old man was violently dragged off a flight by police because United was unable to convince enough customers to relinquish their seats for crew members who wanted to go to Lousiville. Instead of offering more money and perks to volunteers, United used an algorithm to determine who would be evicted and then imposed its will by force.

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Traders responded to the brutality and miserliness of United by bidding up United’s share price against the broader market index, and especially against direct competitor Delta Airlines. Pundits might think the episode was a public relations disaster — and obviously the cruelty towards this passenger was unconscionable — but investors seem impressed by the sadistic commitment to cost control.

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Better news: UAL down 4% today so far...

This incident is trivial in the bigger picture. The only reason this goes viral is because a) a broader spectrum of the public can relate to this situation and b) it was caught on video.

Funny or Die kills it with this mash up.

https://youtu.be/I2S9T505hVY

I saw UAL was down 2% so far today, mannfred.

The stock market - it goes up and down. Turns out that you and Weird Steve could BOTH be right.

It is legal for airlines to overbook or add their employees to a flight so that it becomes overbooked.

It's legal for them to ask for volunteers, offer to pay, or decide, with computer assistance, who will be de-selected from an overbooked flight.

It's legal to have de-selected folks removed and/or arrested if they become trespassers by refusing to leave after their ticket has been revoked.

It's legal to use force to arrest people if they don't go peacefully.

Like I said, they should be prohibited from overbooking.

After 9/11, they legally reserve the right to search your butthole if they want. You punk ass motherfuxkers didnt bitch and whine when people's asses were being violated.

http://i.imgur.com/99dgkTs.gifv

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/asia/united-passenger-dragged-off-china-re...

(CNN)A public relations disaster for United Airlines is transforming into an international incident in one of its most important markets.

Video of a passenger being dragged off a Chicago-Louisville flight, bloodying his nose and leaving him dazed in the process, has gone viral online in China, attracting tens of thousands of outraged posts.

The man, who has not yet been identified, was overheard saying he was being profiled for being Chinese, a passenger told CNN, before police officers forcibly removed him from his seat on the overbooked flight.

The incident, which unfolded on Sunday, was the number one trending topic Tuesday on Weibo, China's answer to Twitter, attracting more than 100 million views.

Many commenters called for a boycott of United, accusing the airline of discriminating against the passenger because he is Chinese.

"It's straight up discrimination," one widely shared post said, while another commenter said they would never "fly with United again in my lifetime."

Joe Wong, a Chinese-born comedian who has performed multiple times on the "Late Show with David Letterman," said on Weibo "many Chinese people feel they've been subject to discrimination."

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In hindsight, they should have kept upping the money/vouchers until somebody caved.  Everybody has a price for inconvenience.

Time to buy their stock

(((People's violated asses)))

Interesting read on the math behind overbooking:  http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/10/heres-real-reason-airlines-constantl...

I quit United about 20 years ago.  Didn't like their attitude.

Delta, Alaska & Virgin seem to be pretty professional, usually leaving on-time.

Here's a lawyer explaining why what United did was illegal:

Lawyer here. This myth that passengers don't have rights needs to go away, ASAP. You are dead wrong when saying that United legally kicked him off the plane.

First of all, it's airline spin to call this an overbooking. The statutory provision granting them the ability to deny boarding is about "OVERSALES", specifically defines as booking more reserved confirmed seats than there are available. This is not what happened. They did not overbook the flight; they had a fully booked flight, and not only did everyone already have a reserved confirmed seat, they were all sitting in them. The law allowing them to denying boarding in the event of an oversale does not apply.

Even if it did apply, the law is unambiguously clear that airlines have to give preference to everyone with reserved confirmed seats when choosing to involuntarily deny boarding. They have to always choose the solution that will affect the least amount of reserved confirmed seats. This rule is straightforward, and United makes very clear in their own contract of carriage that employees of their own or of other carriers may be denied boarding without compensation because they do not have reserved confirmed seats. On its face, it's clear that what they did was illegal-- they gave preference to their employees over people who had reserved confirmed seats, in violation of 14 CFR 250.2a.

Furthermore, even if you try and twist this into a legal application of 250.2a and say that United had the right to deny him boarding in the event of an overbooking; they did NOT have the right to kick him off the plane. Their contract of carriage highlights there is a complete difference in rights after you've boarded and sat on the plane, and Rule 21 goes over the specific scenarios where you could get kicked off. NONE of them apply here. He did absolutely nothing wrong and shouldn't have been targeted. He's going to leave with a hefty settlement after this fiasco.

In hindsight, they should have kept upping the money/vouchers until somebody caved.  Everybody has a price for inconvenience.<<<

^ This.   Should be the rule.

Why should the airlines be able to impose an arbitrary value on inconvenience?   Let the free market decide ... they seem to be OK with it re: supply and demand on the front end.

Flew United this morning from KC to Chicago. The flight crew seemed overly friendly, even got a free Goose Island IPA outta it.. but going forward, no more United for me. Anyone siding with United (whether their actions were legal or not) needs their head examined.

United views their customers as the enemy the fact that it was legal does not mean you escalate a crappy situation. United had many legal choices.

1. Find another way to get their crew to Louisville

2. Keep upping the amount they will pay to get people off the plane. They stopped at $800, and laughed at people when they offered to get off for $1,600

3. Call the cops to beat the crap out of a paying passenger and then drag him down the aisle in the age of video phones and social media.

United went with number 3. When you treat your customers like shit 7 days a week 365 days a year this is what happens. It starts at the top and it’s part of their corporate  DNA.

Quick way for some people to get rid of some stocks that are going nowhere. Some rich dude is cashing out.

It should be noted here that Louisville is about a 5 hour drive from Chicago. United could have easily hired a limo for their employees, or their passengers, and completely avoided this very costly PR disaster.

... or put them on another carrier's flight!

Didn't mean to give the impression I support UA in this because I think it may be legal. I don't, and I may be wrong about it being legal - or not. I'm not "Lawyer here".

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-toxic-united-wells...

^ this author gets it

^^LOVE Southwest.

By posting this I am not condoning the way he was treated at all, but something just seemed a bit off about his personality and a physician acting like that :(


Just came across this and found it interesting...

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trad...





:(

It's interesting that he's an online poker player?

you know who also has a troubled past? the chicago police department

Oh shit so the guy who got dragged off the plane was in trouble 14 years ago for exchanging drugs for sex so no wonder why he was assaulted. . 

I guess now would be a good time to mention that since most of you people have exchanged drugs for sex at some point in your long, sordid lives, that you are apparently eligible for the same treatment. Enjoy the friendly skies, hippies. 

I miss People's Express.

>most of you people have exchanged drugs for sex at some point in your long, sordid lives<

try not to project so much brah...

I'll soon be 99 years Young, and am proud to say that I've traded Window seat for Aisle,  Cocktails and Cobra Venom, all within my legal rights.

That Chinese dude will have a Fat retirement Bonus when the smoke clears.

If you actually READ my post Badger, you will see that I wasn't judging him, but thought the article was informing to his character, I even said I thought his behavior was a bit intense. I do not think he deserved to be treated like that....but more as to WHY he reacted the way he did !!  





I knew someone would say that, guess it never really changes here....lol !





 

Lyn deserves a drink voucher.

United wants you to blame the victim, not United. Bringing up his past is just another way he was injured. His past had nothing to do with the way he was brutalized. He reportedly gave up his license to practice after his legal problems, but worked to get it back in 2015.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2017/04/11/david-dao-pas...

Hey Lyn --

I wouldn't take Bucky Badger too seriously. S/he is just another pranqster having a Laff.

Anyway, long time no chatty, call me some day.  

Gorgeous Weather here in Jerseyland lately.  I got one of the Mowers running today 

Thanks Stu...miss you too :)   

Maybe Camp jam in the Pines ??  I am making/ doing moms appts and on/off comp today....all good !  It is beautiful here too, went out earlier.


Zooey, I totally get why the "sordid past" is coming up now so as to discredit him. AGAIN....  I was not trying to justify their actions but rather WHY someone would react so defensive once he sees the path it is taking ?   Most folks have that mechanism that allows you to sense a situation is being escalated to the next level, the video does not show you this part tho. He was totally abused but my question is how fast it escalated and then there is footage of him running back on the plane screaming " I need to get home" !! 


From the minute I saw the vid I thought something was wrong, maybe he is unstable in some way ?

 C'mon, no one gets what I'm saying here ?


I just thought there is more to the story is all....from the beginning. 

United Airlines training video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/jimmy-kimmel-nails-united-over-passenger...

Jimmy Kimmel got no suction. 

Andy Borowitz:

"Kicking that passenger off the plane was possibly the worst thing Barack Obama has ever done." -- Sean Spicer

I have only exchanged food for sex

I would trade President Rump for Fabio or Stephen Seagall if they threw in  a Cheese Steak, works + a XL Trenton Tomato Pie.

Fabio would really be a Fine National Leader, and over-style those Rooskies and N. Koreans.

black or pinto?

Would you like peanuts or a cookie?

Some might jest at my sincere beliefs regarding Prez qualifications.  But let's sum it up in a realistic manner.

Fabio Head-smashed a Canadian Goose on a Roller Coaster,  and bled profusely from his face.  The Goose was a bit dazed from the brush with celebrity.

Rump has no such qualifications.  

His TV show totally sucked, and there was never a Roller-Coaster facial Goose incident.

Again, my vote goes to Fabio.

Tomorrow, too

Drag Trump off the plane

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/arts/television/jimmy-kimmel-united-d...

Here is another United story. How would you handle this one zone?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/united-airlines-passenger-threatened-handcuff...

He paid for and was seated in a first class seat. 

They should have removed a first class passenger, they wouldn't of needed to drag him as far...

concussion, broken nose, lost 2 teeth

his sleazy attorney will take united to the bank 

in order to combat the negative publicity in the future United will collect all smart phones and cameras as you board 

up

holy shit did it happen again 

holy shit did it happen again <<<

perhaps, just making sure people don't "forget" re: "first time"

9/11?

No class.

http://www.businessinsider.com/united-airlines-ceo-passenger-dragging-ne...

I've heard you can get banned here for bumping old threads so you'd better watch your ass 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/18/chicago-fires-two-securit...

Chicago aviation officials fired two security officers involved in dragging a 69-year-old passenger off a United Airlines flight after he refused to give up his seat, the city’s inspector general said Tuesday.

David Dao suffered a concussion, broken nose and the loss of two teeth in the April incident at Chicago’s O’Hare airport when he was forcibly removed from a flight bound for Louisville. The airline needed several seats on the full plane to get crew members in position for their next flights.

Three security officers and a sergeant with Chicago's Department of Aviation “mishandled a non-threatening situation that resulted in a physically violent and forceful removal of a passenger aboard United Airlines Flight 3411," the city’s Office of Inspector General found in a report Tuesday.

United Airlines passenger David Dao was violent before removal, aviation police say

U.S. won't punish United over passenger-dragging incident

United passenger's lawyer says he's gotten emails comparing client to Rosa Parks

The officers made misleading statements and deliberately removed facts from their reports about the incident, the report said. Based on those findings, the aviation department fired one of the officers and the sergeant for escalating the incident.

The department suspended two other officers — one for five days and one for two days — for the deliberate removal of facts from a report. The officer with the five-day suspension then resigned, according to the Associated Press.

The aviation department is reviewing its policies and procedures and is expected to file a report early next year.

United and the city repeatedly apologized to Dao, and the airline reached an undisclosed settlement with him.

Dao’s attorney, Thomas Demetrio, told AP that dismissing the officer was unexpected, but could resonate with others. He said the department’s review of its policies should have been done the day after the incident.

“In firing him, perhaps it will send a clear message to police and airline personnel all over the world that unnecessary violence is not the way to handle passenger matters,” Demetrio said.