What's The Attraction trump Lovers ?

His sex appeal for most.

Also, if you don't mind me asking...

Are you low income earners who like to show up at the golf course as a single so you can get financial/life tips from wealthier more experienced white old dudes?

http://thephilzone.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2668

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket.

Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

 - LBJ

lol 

best use of that one yet.

^^^

applying for asylum is not illegal, is it?

You don't have to be Trump's corner to think that the entire "collusion" narrative was created and perpetuated by the left.  Or to think that using the intelligence agencies of this country to disrupt an election is both illegal and harmful.

Trump is a careless, egotistical lout.  He still hasn't done anything that makes me wish the left had more power.

That might take more subtlety than some around here are capable of.

Thom are you saying it doesn't matter who gets put up as a nominee for the Republican Party and that you're always gonna vote Republican?

If that's the case, mind blown here lol

And will someone please explain the attraction to this?

Pressley: Democrats don't need 'any more black faces that don't want to be a black voice'

“This is the time to shake that table. ... We don’t need any more brown faces that don’t want to be a brown voice,” Pressley reportedly said during the event. “We don’t need any more black faces that don’t want to be a black voice.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/453007-pressley-democrats-need-any-mo...

Those comments seem more explicitly racist than what Trump said.  But I guess that's okay if it comes from a woman of color.

i think it means uncle tom go home.

The truth is that the rot has infected every aspect of our political culture, it certainly isn't limited to one political party.  Donald Trump is a symptom of that rot as much as comments like these are.  The problem is a lot bigger than any one person or party, and it's been obvious for decades, just more noticeable now because of the lower level of discourse that we've been dragged down to.

And if you think electing someone who thinks like you is going to fix it, you aren't paying attention.  This isn't changing in our lifetime.

i agree with you thom.

i have been trying to have a dialogue with a conservative friend.

we as americans need to find what common ground we can. 

what we found out is we both deeply care for our country.

we need to start being more respectful of each other.

It’s almost as if it matters who we elect to lead our government. 

nothing will change in the country until the citizens untied case is overturned....

not holding my breath.

money is free speech and corporations are people.

we can't have nice things when this is the case.

There are many Trump supporters that are true bigots and just plain bad people.  Many others aren't really "Trump supporters" but tolerate his antics because they are fiscal conservatives, like his Supreme Court nominees, or are just lifetime down-ballot GOP voters.

>>>>we as americans need to find what common ground we can. . . .what we found out is we both deeply care for our country.

If you can get away from all the noise, yelling, and name calling, it is surprising how much many Americans have in common.   Here is a link to a Ted talk about how identifying the core values that motivate people on different ends of the political spectrum can help improve the discourse and actually get people to be more open and receptive to opposing viewpoints.  For anyone worried about how divisive and ugly the political conversation has become, its worth 12 minutes of your time.

https://www.ted.com/talks/robb_willer_how_to_have_better_political_conve...

fiscal conservatives my ass

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1151138682319097856

>>>>And if you think electing someone who thinks like you is going to fix it, you aren't paying attention.

oh yeah you tried that one eh? not working out so well, is it? 

I get it Steve.  Rand Paul routinely calls out the GOP and Trump about the budget deficit and the hypocrisy of many self proclaimed "fiscal conservatives."  But still, many more people who self-identify with traditional values of fiscal conservatism (cutting domestic spending, corporate deregulation, etc.) voted for Trump than Hillary in 2016:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/socially-liberal-fiscally-conservat...

With the economy booming like it has been it would be very hard not to be considered one of the best presidential terms ever, unless you truly are a fuck up on a grand scale.

A big chunk of his base doesn't particularly like Trump, but they know he hates the same folks they do. 

>>>>>>trend that started 10 years ago with Obama recovering us from a depression

What did he do?

republicans always take daddy's caddy out for a drunken joy ride to the country club with biff then return it all fucked up and act like nothing happened.

Subscribe to the FT to read: Financial TimesHow Barack Obama rescued the US economy

What did he do? 

Who got what? 

What did he do?

what’s an economic plan? 

I can read. 

He had opportunities to help the working class, and he passed them up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/12/democrats-ca...

>Who got what? <

wall st got your tax $$ to bail out wealthy people that make $ off of speculating with other people's money.

^don't forget the auto bailout. 

Conrad Black has an answer to your question.....

"They are failing to make the distinction between Trump’s policies and his mannerisms. No serious person can dispute the president’s economic successes (especially the virtual elimination of unemployment and energy imports), his revival of a viable policy of nuclear nonproliferation, taking serious measures to stop mass illegal immigration, moving decisively to address dangerous disadvantages in some trading relationships, and shaping up the Western alliance from an association of freeloading beneficiaries of an American military guaranty. He is the first businessman to be president, and he engaged in a policy form of zero-based budgeting. The underlying premise for climate policy is unproved and almost certainly largely false; he scrapped it. The notion that the U.S. performed a service for international development and world harmonization by allowing the Mexicans, Chinese, and others to pick America’s pockets and export unemployment to the United States was false. He is scrapping that. The idea, cherished by Democratic politicians and Republican employers of low-skilled workers, that masses of people could swarm into the country undocumented, be exploited in the labor market, and not be counted anywhere, but still vote (Democratic) and use the welfare and education systems is an outrage. Trump is scrapping that, too. The country is tired of spending billions more every year on education to destroy freedom of expression in the university and produce ever-less-well-educated students in the unionized state school systems. He is attacking those problems, too."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/the-trump-steamroller/

You don't have to be Trump's corner to think that the entire "collusion" narrative was created and perpetuated by the left.<<<<

OK, let's assume that you're 100% correct and that said "collusion" narrative was created and perpetuated by the left. 

How does this absolve Trump from up to 11 elements of obstruction of justice?  Even if there is no "collusion", how can said obstructive elements be looked at as anything other than an irreparable breach of the public trust?

If Trump was willing to obstruct an investigation of a hostile foreign adversary's attack upon our a core mechanism of our democracy and ultimately sovereignty, what wouldn't he be willing to do to look out for his own interests - at the expense of the American People?!?

is your 1st question to me Ras?

ok. it was bush.

i loose track of which corporate whores give my tax $$ to rich people.

and please stop with national review links.

they mean nothing.

. >>>>The underlying premise for climate policy is unproved and almost certainly largely false; he scrapped it.

Sure, what do the scientists know?

am i uninformed?

sorry if i do not keep a spreadsheet on each scandal and who violated which orifice when.

Obama presided over one of the greatest transfers of wealth to the top 1% the country has ever seen. 

Take a look at the wealth disparity statistics under Obama. Go ahead, i dare you.

Trickle down economics

But yes, all hail Saint Obama for those scraps he gave to the middle class.. We are not worthy of his greatness.

you do not have to sell me on uncle obamma continuing the cycle of fucking the people.

same as clinton.

same as all of them.

while liberals and conservatives get riled up on abortion, gun laws and lgbt issues, both parties continue to plunder the working class and keep the war machine going.

is there something i am failing to grasp?

maybe ras and lassen can jonasplain it to us?

^ it cannot be said enough Turtle, and i know from reading\ your posts that you get it. I wish more people did. :(

Calm down everyone, Ben Carson says Trump is not a racist:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ben-carson-trump-not-racist

oh yes, the little guy has been doing so well!

you're one of these up is down, black is white fellas.

got it.

i'm off to look at teslas with all the $$ barak and george got me...

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Rick Hunter

 Knotesau on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 – 10:20 am

Who got what? 

What did he do<<<<

Someone very wise one made the statement," Ask not what your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country."

>>>>what can you do for your country

>>>> business tax cuts.

>>>>maybe ras can jonasplain it to us

>>>>>being a homeowner

If you aren't, you won't understand. 

<But I can see how some folks who aren't married, don't own property, have no children and no college loans to think about and basically live with minimal responsibilities, well I understand how they might remain oblivious to important stuff and think all administrations are the same. They've never had good enough reason to pay close enough attention. >

I support a family of 5.

i raised 2 kids.

they, nor i have college debt.

am i qualified to have an opinion yet?

homeownership has been a pipe dream in my community since 1995 at least.

>>club with biff then return it all fucked up and act like nothing happened.

they blame the wetback gardner who gets subsequently fired

>and you notice no difference in administrations in taxes you pay or your household income level ?<

no. when you don't really make shit, there's not much to take.

i noticed when the earned income tax credit expired that's for sure. people that qualify for it, need it...

ps. i supported a family of 4, as the sole breadwinner so i paid the fucking taxes pal.

The House on Wednesday voted to kill an impeachment resolution against President Trump, a move likely to rankle the Democratic Party’s liberal base clamoring for the ouster of the president.

Tom - 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/10/30/two-charts-show-trump...

There has been a fair amount of rhetoric about the job growth and lower unemployment rate seen since President Trump took office. Candidate Trump touted that there would be 25 million jobs created over 10 years if he was elected. In January 2017, I wrote that this was a fairly easy campaign promise when you analyze the data and realize that it will only take 2% annual growth of the workforce to hit this target.

This is a review of Trump’s Economic Scorecard before the midterm elections.

President Trump started with a distinct advantage with a workforce of 145.7 million, 9% larger than when President Obama took office. If the workforce were to only grow by 2%, that would add just over 2.9 million jobs a year or 243,000 per month. Over the course of 10 years, there would be over 29 million jobs added.

Additionally, over President Obama’s last six and five years in office after the economy had recovered from the Great Recession, the average employment gains were 2.42 and 2.48 million jobs per year. Pretty much on track to add 25 million over 10 years. So it appears that Trump can reach his 25 million job growth goal even if the economy continued to grow at the pace under Obama .

To provide a monthly comparison, the average employment gain in Obama’s last six years in office (after getting out of the recession's impact) was 201 thousand. And the average for his last five years was 207 thousand, essentially the same as the 208 thousand for the first nine months this year.

I get it. Obama was great, Trump is a horrible racist that hasn't done anything good.

(That's what the media will tell you everyday with their feigned outrage and mostly cherry-picked out of context info) 

If you like the dead and many other musicians then you should be ashamed of yourself for liking anything the guy has done, you are a horrible person, and should definitely get all of your political views from musicians and actors that are obviously among the most highly educated in our society.

Does that pretty much sum it up? 

If you like the dead and many other musicians then you should be ashamed of yourself for liking anything the guy has done, you are a horrible person, and should definitely get all of your political views from musicians and actors that are obviously among the most highly educated in our society.

Just the relevant facts.

You're welcome.

>> TomNYC on Thursday, July 18, 2019 – 12:00 am 

I get it. Obama was great, Trump is a horrible racist that hasn't done anything good.

(That's what the media will tell you everyday with their feigned outrage and mostly cherry-picked out of context info) 

If you like the dead and many other musicians then you should be ashamed of yourself for liking anything the guy has done, you are a horrible person, and should definitely get all of your political views from musicians and actors that are obviously among the most highly educated in our society.

Does that pretty much sum it up? 

- No

Great is a bit of a stretch imo regarding Obama. Comparing to Trump appears to have even improved Nixon's standing though, so that's not an acceptable baseline obviously. Trump has surely done some good things but it's overshadowed by his vile nature, lies, corruption, and the rest of his trip. I knew all I needed to know about Trump by the end of the 70's. He was an ass then and he's managed to go downhill from there. 

I take zero stock in Hollywood period. Haven't seen a movie in decades... that's another thread. Musicians don't have any traction either when it comes to politics either. 

I saw first hand what he is capable of in Atlantic City, I worked in a community where he was instrumental in closing down a wonderful part of the city that aided and assisted sick pt's ( HIV/AIDS/Hep ) , we went out into the city and tried to educate and help this community daily.  He did not like the "Image" it portrayed and used his flex to shut it all down....was a SAD day !  We all lost our jobs and had to relocate, then he pulls his "thriving business" out of AC and MANY people lost jobs. 

I could go into detail but I don't waste my time or thoughts on him !!  I detest him with all my being and ignore everything he says or does. He is NOT my President...He is PURE EVIL !!!





I for some reason needed to get this off my chest tonight, and here was this thread. Back to living my life, dancing and enjoying being retired ...with NO TV or radio on... :) 





 

>I get it. Obama was great, Trump is a horrible racist that hasn't done anything good.

(That's what the media will tell you everyday with their feigned outrage<

Feigned outrage, Tom?

I guess you missed Trump's Klan rally last night?

Is it that you are indifferent, or you support, Trump's racism,  xenophobia,  corruption,  and endless stream of lies.

Make no mistake, the outrage and disgust is real.

Raz, did you vote for Trump because you were hoping to get a tax cut? 

>>>>>My taxes went up hugely last year under this fuck.

i'm not sure how to respond to that ras.

errant shots?

dissatisfied with myself?

feel free to psychoanalyze me online.

well, sure i could have done better i suppose. i do appreciate the encouragement.

for having twins at 22 and no college education, i'm pretty happy with myself.

i have another decade where i'm before it would be financially beneficial to leave. at least i have a pension, currently....

everyone's situation is different man. 

i hear ya. thanks.

I definitely don't support everything but I do support the tax cuts, the excellent economy, and unemployment being at historic lows.

I don't have to like him personally but I'm also sick of a lot of the media lies. I'll just give one example. Everyone says he made fun of a handicapped reporter. You can go watch videos of him using the same exact hand gestures and voice at people that took shots at him before he did the same thing to this reporter. He said he had no idea the reporter was handicapped. The media narrative and hence public narrative is that he made fun of a handicapped person's disabilities. It's total bs

>the tax cuts<

you mean the ones for the upper .5%?

>>>  I definitely don't support everything but I do support the tax cuts, the excellent economy, and unemployment being at historic lows.

So much going on there ^^^

But, we’ve been over all that ad naseum

TomNYC is a Trump supporter, thanks for your input

The marginal tax rates went down for everyone

You're tired of the media's lies, Tom? 

How about Trump's daily lying?

So Trump mocked several people, and not just the disabled reporter, with those particular gestures?  

That's a pathetic defense.  Those gestures are offensive, no matter his target. 

But that's great that you will tolerate Trump's racism, xenophobia,  misogyny,  bigotry and human rights abuses,  for that tax cut. That one hell of a testament to your character. 

Did you catch Trump's Klan rally last night?

Moving your hands when talking is offensive? Was just giving one example of a media lie. I don't support many of the things he says and does but I do support some of them. Is it all or nothing with you OC? 

He didn't just move his hands, Tom. 

All or nothing? 

Nice to see you can ignore, or are willing to tolerate, Trump's racism, xenophobia,  bigotry,  misogyny,  corruption, endless lying, hatred,  and  human rights abuses...all for a little tax  cut. Oh, and some other stuff. 

As I wrote,  that's one hell of a testament to your character. 

Me?  My outrage and my disgust are real, and it's not only for Trump,  i feel the same about his supporters and his apologists. 

Did you catch Trump's Klan rally last night,  Tom?

You could easily replace Trump with Clinton in your

'Nice to see you can ignore, or are willing to tolerate, Trump's racism, xenophobia,  bigotry,  misogyny,  corruption, endless lying, hatred,  and  human rights abuses...all for a little tax  cut. Oh, and some other stuff.'

Rant. 

I don't know too many white racists that have dated black women

Is Clinton President, Tom?

Weak and pathetic attempt at deflection,  Tom 

So you don't believe that Trump is a racist, Tom?

BAH HA HA HA HA!

Did you catch Trump's Klan rally last night, Tom?

>The marginal tax rates went down for everyone<

you mean temporarily?

Marginal tax rates down through 2025 unless extended.

And OC, I think 'racist' is thrown around way too liberally for disagreements that have nothing to do with color. That's the playbook. If someone disagrees brand them as racist 

^I'm sorry that supporting a racist makes you uncomfortable, Tom.

Perhaps you shouldn't be an apologist for such things?

Did you catch Trump's Klan rally last night, Tom?

  Tom, do you play golf?

And, Tom, i was just speaking to an African-American friend of mine, asked him if he felt that Trump's tweet was racist.  

His response,  "100%. I'll tell you what,  everybody I know that is African-American, Black, whatever you want to say,  and I mean everybody 30 and older, has been told to go back to where they came from." So, yes, 100% racist. 

So, did you catch Trump's Klan rally last night? 

I play mini-golf

OC - Not supporting anyone. Just saying not all is bad and with all the bad shit going on in the world, for example actual slavery, you seem to be a little hung up on a president's words, tone, demeanor, and overstating perceived racism, xenophobia,  bigotry,  misogyny,  corruption, endless lying, hatred,  and  human rights abuses compared to other presidents

Trump is the current President, his gins up racism  and bigotry on a regular basis,  the past cannot be changed. 

>overstating perceived racism...<

Still trying to deny that Trump is a racist?

It's nice to hear that you don't support anyone,  too bad you're an apologist for this racist,  misogynist, xenophobic,  bigoted,  piece of shit President.   

Yes, let not get hung (up) by the presidents words

Great pic as usual, Noodler. Thanks. (The one about Cartman)

"you seem to be a little hung up on a president's words, tone, demeanor, and overstating perceived racism, xenophobia,  bigotry,  misogyny,  corruption, endless lying, hatred,  and  human rights abuses compared to other presidents"

Dude the piece of shit is our fucking president. He represents all of us.   Don't you get it?  Obviously not. 

Reasons people support trump-

Good reasons-  They are  filthy rich and don't give a shit about anything but their net worth.

"Other" Reasons-

1. They are dumb as fuck and cannot figure out what is going on.

2. The are fucking racists and love it when there racist leader tells them it is ok. They also don't give a fuck about anybody else or anything going on right now.

3.  Their belief system(religion) has them blinded into voting against their best interests in election after election. See 1. above

Where do you fit?