Who should be the Democrat nominee?

FFS.  Just stop.

Biden. It's what's for dinner.

Yeah - think we're stuck with him, barring a medical tap-out.

If they were to replace him at this late date, it would have to be someone with some name rec. Beshear isn't it - I've barely heard of him.

Biden is replaceable but only with Harris. Those are the choices. 

why don't they go with the black woman vp?...

Harris?! oh please.....

Remember Obama skipped over old Joe for Hillary in 2016.  Now is not the time to worry about hurt feelings.

And Andy Beshear is a very interesting choice with good cross over appeal.  

The only realistic question is who should Kamala appoint as her VP?

Harris will lose for sure.

>>>And Andy Beshear is a very interesting choice with good cross over appeal.  

I wasn't endorsing Harris. The only person who can legally use all the money that Biden has already raised is Harris. Also if you think the pro Gaza wing of the Democrat coalition will sit ideally by while you replace a black woman with a white dude from Kentucky I would like some of the strain you are using. That is why it is either Biden or Harris. 

Just get yourselves ready for Trump 2.0

Def more life in her 

It's going to be Biden, the career politician old man with a speech impediment.

I pray that citizens turn out in droves to reelect him this November (and I am not ordinarily a praying man).

Biden had a bad debate night, but about everything Trump says is rambling incoherence and blatant lies, mixed with petty and vindictive meanness.

To say that Biden is old and infirm and losing it mentally, but Trump is young and vigorous and sharp as a tack is utterly ridiculous.

It's too bad we don't have a younger generation of candidates in this election. We will have that in four years, I mean, so long as Trump is defeated.

"Then there’s this Welsh Rarebit wearing some brown underpants
About the shortage of grain in Hertfordshire
Everyone of them knew that as time went by
They’d get a little bit older and a litter slower but
It’s all the same thing, in this case manufactured by someone who’s always
Umpteen your father’s giving it diddly-i-dee
District was leaving, intended to pay for

Number 9, number 9"

~ The Beatles, "Revolution 9"

 BIDEN/HARRIS 2024

I was freaking out after the debate, but the polls haven't budged just like they didn't budge when Trump was convicted. I think the lines are drawn and it will be just like 2020 at the end of the day no matter what anyone does or says. At this point the only thing that will make a difference is a nasty new Covid strain. 

meanwhile, really smart people...

project 2025 says

hold my beer

If Biden drops out, the Dems should go all in on name recognition and tap someone from the entertainment industry. Jon Stewart. Tom Hanks. George Clooney. Oprah. Taylor Swift. Beyoncé.

It's too bad how it went down with Al Franken.  He would have made good work with Trump.

Looks like we're stuck with Biden/Harris.  They're both career politicians and will politicize Trump's personal background and record as president.  It should and probably will get ugly.

I was under the impression that things have been ugly for some time now.

You guys understand there aren't going to be any more debates, right?

Why should there be? Trump would never accede to another one, and if I were him I wouldn't either. Zero chance.

Trying to frame this like "but trump is so horrible!" is totally calculating it wrong.

democrats need strength beyond strength right now, not a memory care candidate 

The Philadelphia Inquirer today......https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/first-presidential-debate-jo...

To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial

Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

President Joe Biden’s debate performance was a disaster. His disjointed responses and dazed look sparked calls for him to drop out of the presidential race.

But lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump’s usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.

In fact, the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

Trump, 78, has been on the political stage for eight years marked by chaos, corruption, and incivility. Why go back to that?

To build himself up, Trump constantly tears the country down. There is no shining city on the hill. It’s just mourning in America.

Throughout the debate, Trump repeatedly said we are a “failing” country. He called the United States a “third world nation.” He said, “we’re living in hell” and “very close to World War III.”

“People are dying all over the place,” Trump said, later adding “we’re literally an uncivilized country now.”

Trump told more than 30 lies during the debate to go with the more than 30,000 mistruths told during his four years as president. He dodged the CNN moderators’ questions, took no responsibility for his actions, and blamed others, mainly Biden, for everything that is wrong in the world.

Trump’s response to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection he fueled was farcical. He said a “relatively small number of people” went to the Capitol and many were “ushered in by the police.”

After scheming to overturn the 2020 election, Trump refused to say if he would accept the results of the 2024 election. Unless, of course, he wins.

The debate served as a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like. More lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate. Supporters say they like Trump because he says whatever he thinks. But he mainly spews raw sewage.

Trump attacks the military. He denigrates the Justice Department and judges. He belittles the FBI and the CIA. He picks fights with allies and cozies up to dictators.

Trump is an unserious carnival barker running for the most serious job in the world. During his last term, Trump served himself and not the American people.

Trump spent chunks of time watching TV, tweeting, and hanging out at his country clubs. Over his four-year term, Trump played roughly 261 rounds of golf.

As president, Trump didn’t read the daily intelligence briefs. He continued to use his personal cell phone, allowing Chinese spies to listen to his calls. During one Oval Office meeting, Trump shared highly classified intelligence with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador.

Trump’s term did plenty of damage and had few accomplishments. The much-hyped wall didn’t get built. Infrastructure week was a recurring joke. Giant tax cuts made the rich richer, while fueling massive deficits for others to pay for years. His support for coal, oil drilling and withdrawal from the Paris Agreement worsened the growing impact of climate change.

Trump stacked the judiciary with extreme judges consisting mainly of white males, including a number who the American Bar Association rated as not qualified. A record number of cabinet officials were fired or left the office. The West Wing was in constant chaos and infighting.

Many Trump appointees exited under a cloud of corruption, grifting and ethical scandals. Trump’s children made millions off the White House. His dilettante son-in-law got $2 billion from the Saudi government for his fledgling investment firm even though he never managed money before.

Trump’s mismanagement of the pandemic resulted in tens of thousands of needless deaths. He boasts about stacking the Supreme Court with extreme right-wingers who are stripping away individual rights, upending legal precedents, and making the country less safe. If elected, Trump may add to the court’s conservative majority.

Of course, there were the unprecedented two impeachments. Now, Trump is a convicted felon who is staring at three more criminal indictments. He is running for president to stay out of prison.

If anything, Trump doesn’t deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?

Trump allegedly stole classified information and tried to overturn an election. His plans for a second term are worse than the last one. We cannot be serious about letting such a crooked clown back in the White House.

Yes, Biden had a horrible night. He’s 81 and not as sharp as he used to be. But Biden on his worst day remains lightyears better than Trump on his best.

Biden must show that he is up to the job. This much is clear: He has a substantive record of real accomplishments, fighting the pandemic, combating climate change, investing in infrastructure, and supporting working families and the most vulnerable.

Biden has surrounded himself with experienced people who take public service seriously. He has passed major bipartisan legislation despite a dysfunctional Republican House majority.

Biden believes in the best of America. He has rebuilt relationships with allies around the world and stood up to foes like Russia and China.

There was only one person at the debate who does not deserve to be running for president. The sooner Trump exits the stage, the better off the country will be.

The Inquirer Editorial Board   This opinion was written by a group of journalists who work separately from the newsroom to debate matters of public interest.

Good read.  THX

good stuff, slick

In the old days the two parties would "groom" people for future roles, be it the Supreme Court, Presidency, etc...    seems like the world of social media killed that, since destroying people is such a profitable biz these days!  Obama came out of nowhere and made that speech at the party convention, next thing you know he's a slam dunk candidate.  Neither party has that right now.  Plus my observation is that young folks don't pay attention to debates / political conventions anymore, way too much going on in life and in entertainment sources...   vs the old days of newspapers, PBS / ABC / NBC / CBS, and radio. 

I hope the dems can find some very charismatic politicians (or wild cards like the actors listed above), to speak at the party convention in August.  Plan for 4 years from now.

While the die hard party members will remember this debate (that ~ 33% from each side), it will be forgotten by the masses.  I'm just glad this didn't happen in Oct, that would have made more of a difference.  So if nothing disastrous happens in the next few months, it'll come down to turnout, like it always does.

Woe to the republic 

Oh great....let's get advice from this piece of shit. (in today's news: Hunter Biden had drunken sex with Lunden Roberts' friend after he found out she was pregnant with their child and after listening to a recording of the baby's heartbeat.)

"One of the strongest voices imploring Mr. Biden to resist pressure to drop out was his son Hunter Biden, whom the president has long leaned on for advice, said one of the people informed about the discussions, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to share internal deliberations. Hunter Biden wants Americans to see the version of his father that he knows — scrappy and in command of the facts — rather than the stumbling, aging president Americans saw on Thursday night."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-demo...

As a moderate Independent I think it's time to accept a loss for the Dems. Time to concentrate on other elections. 

there should be only 2 big red buttons 

at the top of the ticket

democracy and fuck it

There won't be any more elections after tRUMP wins.  That is the real danger.  Project 2025 is real.

>>>>>I think the lines are drawn and it will be just like 2020 at the end of the day no matter what anyone does or says. 

Problem is, if it's close the R. House and SCOTUS will ensure a Trump win.

trump doesn't have the same numbers

as last time

If you want

i'll list why

joe he old

doesn't know how

people around the world

don't like orange

oh, that strength thing

maybe if i own 2 ar15s

got wealth I never earned

i see the point

>If Biden drops out, the Dems should go all in on name recognition and tap someone from the entertainment industry. Jon Stewart. Tom Hanks. George Clooney. Oprah. Taylor Swift. Beyoncé.

I would want someone like a Mark Cuban, someone that actually understand AI, and the modern day finances, and has called Trump out on his stupidity before. 

I read an interesting article this weekend that reminds us that it's not so much the popular vote -- it's all about electoral college votes -- and Dems need the swing state votes to win.

Hence Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is the only one who can bring in 13 crucial votes. Paired with the PA governor as VP, that would bring in the necessary numbers.

I don't know much about her. Maybe having a woman candidate would be a good idea for various reasons.

.

After the SC ruling I am trying to decide between guillotine and firing squad.

I wanna crawl in a hole today. 

Alan, while I think Whitmer would be an excellent choice as part of the team, I worry about the backlash from black voters, especially black women, if Kamala is passed over. Could cost the election. 

Is the circular firing squad of Democrats reforming?     

Kamala strikes me as more Indian than Black.

Kamala is half-black and her pick was seen as outreach to black women (the first African-American and first Asian-American vice president). 

She presents a dilemma for Dems.

Bypass her, and lose black votes. Keep her on, and the idea that Biden won't make it through 4 years and she'll become president is real and that may not sit well with many voters. 

Also saw today........

Whitmer Told Biden Campaign She Has No Interest In Replacing Him: Report

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, who has been floated as one the Democrats who could replace Biden if he chooses to drop out of the presidential race, reportedly told a Biden campaign official Friday she continues to stand by the president and has no interest in replacing him.

Whitmer, though, reportedly warned Biden's campaign chair Jennifer O’Malley Dillon that Michigan, a battleground state, is "no longer winnable for Biden" following his poor debate performance, according to Politico's Jonathan Martin,

What a freakin' mess!   

Lose Kamala and lose the black vote? Is that really how this works? 

Trump Immune!

Gavin Newsome seems to have a bit of a national profile, for good or bad...     I'd like to see the party elevate the profiles of Montana's Jon Tester, Colorado's Jared Polis, along with a few others...  

Joe Manchin would be a curious candidate too.  I know he's got high negatives for challenging certain legislation, but that might attract the anti trump republicant's.  He was very good at getting judge appointments rushed through the senate.  

Kamala is utterly un-electable and is also a drag on the Biden ticket. As a Bay Area resident I always supported and liked her but she has been the most ineffective vice president ever. They both need to be replaced. And it's probably too late so party like it's 1999 because this country is over in six months.

That said:

Newsom/Warnock

Would be my preferred ticket, but Joe isn't going to step aside unless someone does us all a favor and pushes him down a flight of steps

Pete Buttigieg would be the best option, unless some people have problem voting for a gay person.

I do not and everyone is really opened minded these days right?

Carlin knew

https://www.facebook.com/reel/360020603496390

i do not think gavin would play well nationally....

people fucking hate california....

Yes Gavin is male Hilary to MAGA 

Remember a democracy never lasts long. 

There never was a democracy yet that didn't commit suicide.

John Adams

I'll take Polis over Buttigieg 

He hasn't pissed of faux new yet

I know what Whitmer said, I believe she meant if he stays in the race. However if he decided for whatever reason to back out, she would absolutely be the best replacement. 

i do not think gavin would play well nationally....

Probably true

Isn't Gavin's ex wife is shacked up with trumplejunior and works for Fox News? 
 It would be a disaster of closet skeletons "the likes of which you've never seen before. " 

Do the right thing, Joe 

This one party system has to go

lol  

The two people that intrigue me at this moment are Whitmer and Shapiro as they are in critical states.  

Gavin would be a train wreck and yes his ex is with jr.  

I think anti-Biden sentiment in the general population is much greater than being reported 

A can of corn should be able to handily beat a lying criminal.

A can of corn should be able to handily beat a lying criminal.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem that way although it should. With all the concern expressed about Biden, I am more concerned with the sheer number of people stupid enough to vote for Trump. THAT is the real problem with this country.

Democrats need independent and swing voters more than ever, and are doing NOTHING to earn it

Lots of them aren't even gonna get out of bed to vote for joe. We already did that once

shaming Americans into voting for "anybody but trump" is bullshit and extortion. It's not a strategy, it's a non-strategy.

mainstream centrist dems only have themselves to blame.

and *remember* the same people screaming in denial about joe the loudest are the same people who effectively gave us trump the first time by dumping Bernie for Hillary. These are the people who really deserve trump more than anyone.

IMNSHO, Zang, a Shapiro / Whitmer ticket would be great at this point, and for some of the reason you stated. Swing states most importantly, popular in their states. If I could snap my fingers and make it happen, I might do it. And I think it would energize the Demos nationwide.  

But I think bypassing Harris would have some blow back from black voters, especially women. But she's not electable on her own, and with Joe's issues, her being president when he gives it up is a big issue the other campaign's gonna hammer home. They'll say "You're not voting for Joe Biden, you're voting for Kamala Harris." Not to mention the $127 million the Biden / Harris ticket controls.

Gavin's a handsome dude who speaks well, but like others have said, he's not received well nationally. Didn't he come our FOR reparations? I think that's an issue many in the middle will squawk about. Plus the Demos will take California anyway so he's not as important as a swing state person.   

Folks have mentioned Pete. I LOVE Pete, and find him outstandingly competent and eloquent, but sadly, in my view, getting America turned around enough to get the middle to vote for a gay president won't be happening until 2032 or 2036. If we even HAVE elections then. 

Just some musings. Don't take them seriously. I feel like a dazed idiot this week.

Hmm.  Maybe it's the pointless stupidity of this thread?

No offense.

>>>No offense.

Yeah, sure. LOL. To your point, I have always viewed political threads on the Zone warily, especially during the pres election 4 years ago. I tend not to enter. 

But your post above is probably right. "Biden. It's what's for dinner." Just scared as shit as to what's ahead. Carry on. Fingers crossed. 

Slick, 

Good thoughts. Recent poll that came out yesterday actually has Harris as the preference over Newsome (no surprise) and Pete.  Now if you put Harris as the lead with one of the two I suggested that would be a good enough ticket.   The all female ticket with the post-wade decision might make Trumps head actually blow.   

Word on the street is he's not announcing his running mate until the dust is settled from this one. 

If the Dems were smart, which they aren't, they would slow roll this a bit.  Get all their ducks in a line, let the whispers continue, tell everyone Biden's the one, until the convention. 

 Elon Musk is going full MAGA, is this an attempt to get anointed Trump's VP?

>> Word on the street is he's not announcing his running mate until the dust is settled from this one


jd vance will be trump's vp pick 

bet me

meanwhile...

you'll get the apprentice 2.0 until the maga party convention 

>> ​If the Dems were smart, which they aren't, they would slow roll this a bit.  Get all their ducks in a line, let the whispers continue, tell everyone Biden's the one, until the convention.

Yeah, after I posted yesterday about Kamala, I saw the new poll where she polls better than Joe, so WTF do I know?  Too many moving parts to this mess so I'm hopping off this thread for now. It will interesting to see how it all plays out. Hopefully we can prevent what we fear. 

Gotta get to work on my new instructional video about a rebate program for senior renters in Utah and a video of the ugly legislative story from the last session. After a 6% participation drop the year before, it rose 10% last year. 257 more senior renter households got help last year. So I'll work on stuff I can actually do something about, getting low-income folks some money.     

Biden resigns

kamala becomes prez for a minute, appoints new vp

dems hold a brokered convention

new presidential nominee may or may not be kamala, and that's fine. Whatever

But this is how democracy is supposed to operate

And good job slick. access to housing is so huge.

here's what she did in june

if you wanna keep falling deeper in the trap

keep believing the shit you're being spoon fed

or

 if you wanna understand how it works

read below

Harris/ mayor pete would actually be leagues better, but jasmine thought it was a trick question

the other questions? Who knows? Those are party questions, state questions. If joe stroked out tomorrow the same questions would remain.

bottom line is dems can't justify keeping Biden around without mentioning trump. They can't.

and that's not leadership guiding, it's just fear

It all sounds like fear to me. Put up weekend at Bernie's and tell everyone it's their only hope is not gonna bring the numbers, no matter how many "real" geniuses say otherwise 

that's not fear

it's just facts

Do the right thing, joe

I don't know, facts or not, the only campaign at the moment seems to be "it's this or P2025" and that seems an awful lot like fear. Gonna have to start  campaigning on what the dems plan to do not on what the gop plans to do

saying that wanting a candidate who isnt on death's door and can consistently form whole sentances that make sense is "seeking perfection" is peak gaslighting. what an absurd thing to say.

Mitch McConnell froze twice on camera recently

just sayin

“And so I come full circle on this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

-Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts

https://apnews.com/article/project-2025-trump-american-revolution-6e02a2...

Biden? Not Biden? I don't care. I'm voting against fascism. 

Maybe you should too.

 yea, truth can be scary

scary

or

fear mongering?

trump's project 2025 leader

https://x.com/bidenhq/status/1808319662737756654?s=61&t=V7B7ULOJJmWX2XaH...

^^ lol oclt

I don't think any of us are the ones that need convincing... but just stand back and hope everyone in the country is smart...it seems to be what the dems are content to do. Campaign only on what the alternative to weekend at Bernies(fact or fear, take your pick, or both) is and the general public isn't gonna buy it

it's june

plenty of time

aaarrrrghhhhh

It's clear Biden has to assassinate Trump.    The  Supreme Court has cleared the path for Biden to do it as he is protecting democracy and the Constitution in an official role as President of the United States.  
The answer is right in front of everyone.  
Playing nice is for suckers and losers....

> It's clear Biden has to assassinate Trump. 

I thinks it's fair to say it's his duty.

> Playing nice is for suckers and losers....

So obvious but liberals are more concerned about "appropriateness" than winning. 

republican's and the mainstream media

doing it again

lazy af

and a lot are falling for it, again 

next we'll hear

but but but his emails...

smh

>Ego is what is going to fuck us<

We've been fucked since Trump was elected and then appointed three Supreme Court justices. That was it. These are the consequences.

Biden camp doesn't get it. They are playing it like he "voluntarily" messed up -- like age-related cognitive decline can be turned on and off at will.  It's a progressive condition Joe and we all know it. Most boomers have watched it decimate a parent or two. It's not like having a cold. 

“I had a bad night," Biden told Milwaukee radio host Earl Ingram in a pre-recorded interview set to air Thursday morning. "And the fact of the matter is that I screwed up. I made a mistake. That’s 90 minutes onstage, look at what I’ve done in 3.5 years.”

Plus, you said you were a transitional President. Stick to your word. If we liked liars we would be voting for the other guy.

Lastly, the fact that you are hanging out and taking advice from Hunter is repugnant in itself. If your image is old fashion decency -- you can toss that facade in the trash now. 

^ because the process that creates the Democratic politician that everyone likes ignores the deep human need to have (the illusion of) a tribal leader who will protect you from being eaten by a wild animal when you sleep. It's unconsciously about genetic /tribal survival.

(And catering to too much diversity inherently dilutes the tribe, whether that tribe is defined by race, economics, or common beliefs or whatever.)

Tod says sleepy joe doubters are being spoon fed

Except this entire thread is tod re-shitposting other talking heads' thoughts. Literally.

you know it's gonna get stranger

Happy 4th zone

https://www.instagram.com/p/C9ASRIiRq3G/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

but when you can't present facts

deflect

gaslight

attack the messenger

oh, and pound the table 

The funny thing is there is no deflection or attacking here that I've seen...This defensive posturing over any view other than one's own is one of the less endearing qualities of this new "my way or the highway" mentality over any discussion anymore. It's ok that not everyone thinks that Joe Biden is qualified to do the job for the next four years. It's ok that not everyone has a "better plan" that's why not everyone is working in government. It's ok to be critical of something without knowing what the answer is...that's why life is a work in progress 

Nice job on the robert plant setlist, btw 

killer

lol thx!

> oh, and pound the table

Which is the lesser of two evils? The clutching of pearls or the pounding of tables?

2 things on the ticket 

democracy

and 

fuck it

all the joe is old shit is a duh

tried looking at his accomplishments 

anybody done more?

It's ok to be afraid 

This election isn't about Biden's achievements, and I'll grant that he does have some. This election is about whether he can beat Trump, and old Joe just doesn't seem able to rise to the moment.

I'd like to see Kamala Harris and Donald Trump in a cage match. Trump wouldn't stand a chance.

Gaslighting?

"Look, I view myself as a bridge, not as anything else. There's an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. They are the future of this country."

something something being able to take a man at his word

dems sound like they're selling us a used car

Those so gung ho on Harris - I supported her in the primaries last time round - should vote for Joe.

You might get her.

As they used to say I'd vote for a yellow dog before I'd vote fascist.

"dems sound like they're selling us a used car"

America is a used car....

It's is about the mileage on this one.   If you can't trust the mechanic and the insurance is too expensive you will be  forced to walk or thumb a ride.  

^^ exactly aiq

>> I'd like to see Kamala Harris and Donald Trump in a cage match. Trump wouldn't stand a chance.

exactly

no one else can be vetted in time

and the primary is over

it would disenfranchise voters who already cast their votes

with anyone other than harris

which is a losing bet

and joe could give her the delegates on convention day

and harris gets the campaign booty

6 weeks left

why stoke the joe is old shit

plays right into maga's hand

A vote for joe is a vote for kamala, pretty much literally, that much should be obvious to anybody

but apparently a thoughtful and orderly transition now is just a hill too steep

there must first be chaos

Nobody..

Ha, these are the threads that keep me coming back. king hippie wishing death on people.  
 

Blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

President Biden told a gathering of Democratic governors that he needs to get more sleep and work fewer hours, including curtailing events after 8 p.m., according to two people who participated in the meeting and several others briefed on his comments.

The remarks on Wednesday were a stark acknowledgment of fatigue from the 81-year-old president during a meeting intended to reassure more than two dozen of his most important supporters that he is still in command of his job and capable of mounting a robust campaign against former President Donald J. Trump.

Mr. Biden’s comments about needing more rest came shortly after The New York Times reported that current and former officials have noticed that the president’s lapses over the past few months have become more frequent and more pronounced.

But Mr. Biden told the governors, some of whom were at the White House others who participated virtually, according to the White House, that he was staying in the race.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/04/us/politics/biden-governors.html

Maybe he should consider applying for one of the part time positions that's listed on the website 

President Biden told a gathering of Democratic governors that he needs to get more sleep and work fewer hours, including curtailing events after 8 p.m.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ_z9Tpdl9A

its 3am and a phone in the white house is ringing

this is making me wish i voted for biden in 2020 so i can grandstand about how im no longer going to vote for him

Hillary Clinton stays up past 8 pm... but the idiots who refused to vote for her gave us MAGA and a far right corrupt Supreme Court.

Biden isn't KING, he's President with a competent group of people behind him who wish to preserve Democracy.

The alternative sucks and promote White Nationalism. Trump wins and it's lights outs on our freedoms. 

 Just vote for the old Geezer who isn't a fascist, and don't have a hissy fit when Kamala steps up when he retires early.

Oh Jeez, yes there are other Democrats -  but we''re stuck with Joe. 
 

Ok, let's entertain a replacement candidate. You'd be happier with Hillary? 
 

 Alan, (being from Maryland) what do you think of Jamie Raskin?

Andrew Beshear can run in 4 years, and there's no way he'd jump in to replace Joe. It's just not happening. Nor is there another substitute that would make a difference or galvanize democrats to vote.

Again, Biden is NOT KING, he's got a team of people working to keep our Democracy functioning, Kiss it goodbye if Trump gets in office again. 

Hillary Clinton stays up past 8 pm... but the idiots who refused to vote for her gave us MAGA and a far right corrupt Supreme Court.

subverting the democratic process is only bad when donald trump does it. when the dnc rigs a primary in favor of big momma hil-dawg, you plebs better just suck it up and vote blue no matter who

Who's subverting democracy and exactly how ?

I don't know why I even bother reading this shit. some people here have really messed-up thoughts about politics.

Joe Biden has done a good job and deserves to be re-elected.

Jeez.  The bed-wetters may do more damage than the third-party twits.

I'm voting for the nimbys. 

totally believable 

Is there evidence out there that he does know about it? So now DJT begins to distance himself from the one thing that we are supposed to be voting against by voting for weekend at Bernies... ironically that's the firmest stance he has taken against something I've seen in a long time.If he keeps at it, independent and swing votes are his

just keep in mind nothing goes out publicly 

about trump

without his blessing 

that's just a fact

control

control 

control

don't' believe me 

or your lying eyes 

this link was from last july 

click below if you really care to know

turn the sound on

https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1809274690239603031?s=61&t=V7B7ULOJJ...

snapshot of the link below 

^^^^^^That's gross.  
Deep state is going to need to reload ...

"control

control 

control "

what is this GET SMART ? I think 

KAOS is winning

I wish...

.

Nobody For President = King Trump

really absurd and ignorant  to equate the 2 parties. 
 

Democrats are not the same as Authoritarian White Nationalists

Nobody for President has a colorful history, and made sense back when the world was a simpler place.

Actually it was a good thing people voted for Carter in '76. And then a really bad thing when the same people didn't show to vote in '80 and we got Reagan when the Democratic voters abandoned Carter. 
 

Rinse and Repeat, only this time the stain is here to stay

>>> really absurd and ignorant equating the two parties.

How do you feel about George Carlin?  I loved his wit. Yours....not so much.....lol.

Oh snap.

What does George Carlin have to do with this high stakes election?  Haha, you wanna make some Carlin reference to justify not voting, be my guest.
 

some of us are beyond cracking jokes when faced with another Trump regime and understand the gravity of the situation.

>really absurd and ignorant equating the two parties<

Stupidity, not ignorance. Fucking idiots. 

maybe they're simply in agreement with the  GOP agenda and support Fascism? 
 

But yeah.. Certainly stupid to claim that Joe and the Democratic platform are even remotely comparable to Trump's agenda

cliff notes

I voted for Carter in '76 and '80. I also support the candidacy of Nobody, while voting for whatever Dem is on the ballot.

I just watched the interview George Stephanapolis (sp) did with pres Biden. Uncomfortably, I'm not convinced that he's the person to be pres. Sad by true. He didn't answer the question of having a cognitive acuity test, and I think he needs to have one so we can objectively and clinically know what's going on.

What seemed like one night's (the debate's) problems seems like more.

I'll be voting dem, like I always have, not that it's any of your business in this supposedly free society that you choose to support.  The fact that you both assumed from a simple meme that I wouldn't be voting tells me a lot about your powers of induction.

I sincerely hope you two will save America with your brilliance and kindness.  Best wishes.

I wasn't singling out you, Joe. And I didn't mention voting. I stated a fact.

I wasn't singling you out, Joe. And I didn't mention voting. I stated a fact.

I'm getting a chuckle out of Joe's post,  which sounds like a teen throwing a hissy fit. You go girl! 
 

I'm glad to lighten your day, nanc, you seem rather easily triggered by that meme.  Freedom to ridicule is a right in a democratic society.  It seems like a recurring outlet for you to feel superior on an obscure dbmb in an obscure corner of the internet.  That's really creating change, however. Well done.

Thanks, nebulous. 

Mean girl Joe knows how to gaslight! ^

oh, please do 'trigger' me again with another Meme, dear

Again, attack and avoid your own issues.  

No, that's ok. You win. You're superior.

Hahaha. 
 

Every vote has gotten us here. Pat yourself on the back, voters. 

I'm probably voting Green or for a write-in.  If I lived in a state where it was close, I'd vote for the Democratic candidate, but there is no chance Washington will go Red.  
 

It's not so much his age that bothers me about Biden, it's his inability to cut such a flawed candidate as Trump to shreds.   I keep hoping that it's like when Muhammad Ali used the Rope-a-Dope strategy to KO George Foreman; let Trump throw a bunch of haymakers that don't land at the RNC, then when the blowhard is all punched out, Joe will level him with the truth, that Trump is a convicted felon and a habitual liar.  I just haven't seen anything to convince me Joe is up to the task.  I want to be inspired.  He's got about 120 days left to do so.

> I want to be inspired<

Me? I don't want to live in a christofascist country. 

Democracy means being able to live amongst people who think and feel differently than we do. They vote too. We all seem to be drifting away from our ability to tolerate that. Just vote for the values that align with your beliefs and understand that everyone else will also. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that my life next year won't be much different regardless of who wins. Happens every election "this one is the most important" the most important ones are the local elections that no one gets worked up over: 

>>>Me? I don't want to live in a christofascist country. 

I'm with you, Lumber. Except, I've been inspired to stick with my Carlinite beliefs about politics,  I'm not going to vote. Changed my mind.  What a sucker I am for even thinking that my vote would make a difference. George was 100% correct.  I'll save the fossil fuels, stay at home, put some '73 on and make a good lentil soup. If I support Joe, whom i like, i would still be supporting the military-industrial complex. In fact, I support them every time i pay federal taxes.  We were happy to supply Israel with all the weaponry needed to kill 2 Hamas leaders while killing 300 Palestinian men, women and children in the process. If that isn't Fascism, I don't know what is.  We just like to do it from a distance, so that we can deny directly launching the weaponry when civilian casualties sky rocket. Hey, that wasn't us! Bad Israelis! 

So if my choices are christofascism or military-industrial complex, I'll sit it out. My dad is a veteran, he despises the government. He told me, once very 4 years they slither out from under their rocks, put on clothes to look like us, shake our hands, kiss our babies and tell us everything we gulllibly want to hear, while splitting the country in two, and people fall for it hook, line and sinker, every time. Stay at home and let the dumb assses go vote so they can sit back in their easy chairs for four more years and feel like they're making a difference.

Besides, I've written in Jerry Garcia for president every time i've voted, with the exception of Obama. Clarity is a good thing.

^If you haven't yet, read project 2025. It will be implemented if Trump wins

>gonna go out on a limb and predict that my life next

year won't be much different regardless of who wins<

Maybe not yours, but a national ban on abortion sure would change life for many. Also, I hope no one you love is part of the lbtgq+ community. And blue states will have a target on them. 

>...live amongst people who think and feel differently than we do. They vote too. We all seem to be drifting away from our ability to tolerate that<

I can tolerate it. I can also express that I think that some people are fucking idiots. For example.... 2016 swing states... if all those fucking idiots who voted for jill stein instead voted for Clinton, we wouldn't have a 6-3 conservative majority on the Supreme Court.  It would be a 6-3 liberal majority and life would be significantly different.  

Democrats predicted the end of the nation in 2016. Conservatives predicted the end of the nation in 2020. One of those 2 groups will be predicting the end of the nation this year...

It's not the end of the nation I worry about, it will continue in some manor.

I worry about my daughter and other women in my family. I worry about the gay and transgender members of my family. 

I'd like to add... the affordable care act sure changed life for lots of folks. 

I bet they along with my three daughters will be just fine 

Fishcane, if Clinton would have won, we'd still have Row v Wade , the Chevron doctrine and affirmative action in tact. So respectfully, only a fucking idiot cannot recognize that life is significantly different for millions, depending on the leadership. 

Right. So what are you going to do about it? The same thing I'm gonna do... hopefully you can keep that motivation at the local level

^right?  

What's right?

Life would significantly different had Clinton won?

or

>I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that my life next year won't be much different regardless of who wins. <

>bet they along with my three daughters will be just fine<

Which is it? No difference, or significant difference?

It would be different, I'm saying you are correct. Is that clear enough? So what will you do now? Exactly the same thing I'm gonna do....what would you like me to do differently than I already plan to do?

It's clear now. Not so much with you other posts. My issue is with people who argue that there is no difference between the parties. Or that the difference is insignificant and voting is irrelevant.  

 joe on Friday, July 5, 2024 – 09:25 pm 

>I'll be voting dem, like I always have, not that it's any of your business in this supposedly free society that you choose to support...

 

>...Besides, I've written in Jerry Garcia for president every time i've voted, with the exception of Obama. Clarity is a good thing.

Joe, that's not clarity. Lol

Aren't we on  on the same team here?

Edit*

^ she's gotta point, jaz

he said those words

let him stand by them

I do stand by them Tod. But you're only reading what she wrote. Read what I wrote this morning and it might make a bit more sense. 

If you are trying to make change, maybe do something like Slickrock does. Get out and make yourself seen and heard. He is the only one here who has photographic evidence of himself doing so. Plus, he brings environmental issues to the board for zones to participate in. 

Placing your political passions here for 6 people to read, all of who will most likely vote dem, isn't making change, and that's what you really want, right?  Maybe join a campaign, etc. and take pics so we can be inspired. Or just post your thoughts here, and then proceed to belittle people who don't agree with your viewpoint, bc that's easier than actually doing something productive. 

The Democrat party candidate will win my state by 2 to 1. 

Rent is still going up. 

oh, i read it, joe

and so did others

nice deflection, but weak af

but, if you'd been paying attention over the years...

you'd know about my involvement locally

my district used to be represented by

mark meadows

and then

madison cawthorn

so here's just one of many over the years

just for you

june 17th 2017

now, you got anymore rich gems instead of

my daddy told me

or you gonna keep deflecting, lol

i mean, joe was toast when he was obamma's vp...remember way back when?

why did the dnc go all hill-dawg and not go w/ 'ol joe at that point......? because he was old then. hill fluffers had their heads so far up their asses that they couldn't see she wouldn't play well nationally. (rinse/re-peat w/ gavin?...we shall see).....this is what brought in trumpism. 

there is this thing called the electoral college, we don't vote a national popular vote straight up. remember when donny whined about that?

i mean, again....who could have seen the old guy getting older, who? and if they weren't ready to go w/ harris at this election, why the fuck did they put her in there in the 1st place. fucking stupid.

only the dems could have self-fucked them and us this way. thanks.

ps. everyone wanting to do something, feel free to move to a battle ground state and be an influencer.

It's not deflection, and I didn't see that Pic bc I generally don't get into the political folder. 

So what are you doing for the cause this time around, besides belittling me?

And thanks for showing us who you really are. Again, belittling seems to be a strong point here. 

Posting photos of yourself protesting is a completely unnecessary risk in this day and age. just to be real clear on that. if slickrock (or tod) wants to do that, that's 100% their own business. But an absence of voluntary photographic proof (you kidding me?) should not be measured as some kind indicator of a lack of engagement or involvement.

the deed is all, not the cred 

anyways

Here's one of the memes that the not so loyal opposition has posted on FB, it's funny so thought i'd share.   I use to volunteer 10 hours a week back in the 80's for the human rights coalition, trying to defeat the Oregon Citizens Alliance, and many other examples before and after that.   I've backed off in recent years, though have taken a few public character assassinations on FB in the mining community since i'm gay and hate Trump.  I get tired of the death threats.  But on the plus side, there are a lot of repubs that backed me in spite of what I represent, because i'm good at what I do (mining wise), and that surprised me,  so there is hope.  A lot of right wing women were pissed at the overturning or Roe vs Wade, and while not single issue voters, i'm surprised how many of them privately are considering voting against T, so there is hope.  Biden's not that guy,  but Kamala could be if she continues to do local rallies, and not screw things up the way Hillary did (that cra cra laugh, ex).  Gotta campaign in red states, get out the vote!  (And i prefer the "pie map" version of the red vs blue states, because then college towns start to show up as blue in the Reddest of states, and likewise, there's millions of Repubs in the big blue cities)

nah, there's only 6 people here bss, lol

not scared at all

more scared of the ignorance 

but, ymmv

we've been involved locally for many years

believe it if you need it...

I watched that episode of Star Trek just last week.

^ it's not ignorance on my part brother, it's overwhelming sadness that close to, or more than half of this first world nation clings to whatever the Orangutan spews out like a fly on a fresh turd in the summer heat. That's the ignorance that scares the he'll out of me, bc I live in a state filled with 70% of those people.

I'm painfully aware of what's at stake, especially for women and our lgbtq family. The feeling of apathy is pretty strong sometimes when i hear all the stupidity and see people actually rejoicing in it. Election years suck. It's in our faces more than any other time.

But I'm also not going to resort to belittling.

>But I'm also not going to resort to belittling.
 

Good to know you're done with that, now lay off the gaslighting 

It is so obviously true that there are major differences between the Parties. But not so much difference between the folks that really have the power.  Both sides are run by the ultra-rich.  Right now(and maybe always) those ultra-rich seem to want the same thing.   They run the dnc and it has been obvious for years.  There is no way they can allow a progressive agenda to come to pass. Look what they did to Bernie.  Trump won in 2116 because the ultra rich wanted him to. On both sides. The dnc is extremely corrupt and that is indicative of our situation.  It seems the rich are tired of our current government and it's restrictions/regulations. They all want Trump and the end of our so-called democracy.

The more that comes out against Biden, the more this is obvious.

Now, don't even go there. I am not saying the 2 parties are the same. Not even close.  But the entities that run them both are the same.   The parties play their parts in the stage production that we are fed daily.

So, basically this whole thread is a waste of our time.

We are fucked. And there ain't nothing we can do about it. I will continue to vote against the repubs. But without the illusion that it will make a difference.

Flame on.

The two parties are wings of the Big financial Bird,  the propaganda they spew is part of divide and conquer,  while the party platforms are crumbs for their masses...   where they pass just enough to make us feel empowered...   perhaps.

But a lot of it is who gets the contract...      Koch bros pipeline, or Warren Buffets trains,  or who rebuilds Iraq (or Ukraine, etc) 

I'm pretty much with you, Mark.  The soul-crunching beauracracy is what drove me away from Washington D.C. over thirty years ago now.

My hope is that Trump has so damaged the GOP that it disintegrates if he loses the election, and breaks into two parties.  I suppose the same thing could happen to the Democrats too.

Been reading "Dude, Where's my Country?" by Michael Moore. Published in 2003, so much of it is Bush-centric, but so much of what he writes rails against corporate influence and  the rich. SMH stuff.

> It seems the rich are tired of our current government and it's restrictions/regulations. They all want Trump and the end of our so-called democracy.

Sounds like they've forgotten about the pitchforks.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-comin...

TED Talk version: https://www.ted.com/talks/nick_hanauer_beware_fellow_plutocrats_the_pitc...

Let's Call the Whole Thing Off

https://youtu.be/J2oEmPP5dTM

Imho Mark is spot on...

^all you no big difference, all the same folks in charge people, dismiss that women's health care looks very different depending on who makes the rules. Day to day life is affected because we have a 6-3 conservative majority on the Supreme Court.  You people act like forcing a rape victim to carry their attacker's baby is just some minor detail. 

The aristocrats run things. Everywhere. 

Find a safe place to be homeless. 

^Funny you should mention that. The 6-3 Maga majority also ruled that sleeping on public streets can be criminalized. 

The president has immunity. He can sleep where he wants. 

Again, 6-3 maga majority. Wouldn't be that way if Clinton had won. I know you can't grasp this. Unless you're trying to reinforce my point.

the ones who couldn't vote for clinton 

got exactly what they voted for

nothing

play stupid games

win stupid prizes

but but but my vote in ca. don't count

so i'll let the rest of the country

that don't have that luxury

carry my water

and complain

when i don't get what i want 

got it

What did you or I do to cause her loss?

Did she pay the right people?

How did she and her team escape criticism after the loss?

^ yea, that make sense

if you don't think about it

^^First question.  I didn't say you did. I'm emphasizing the significant difference between the two parties. And how these differences affect the day to day life of millions of people. 

Second question is asinine.

Third question. They didn't. 

Never heard you blame Carlos Danger.

We don't get the privilege of seeing the strings, but they are there... trying to imply that folks that believe that big $$ owns the government is saying both parties are the same is what is incorrect. 

^I'm pointing out that these differences have significant impact on daily life. Meaningful, life altering impact. A point many seem to disregard, or find of little importance. Since we're fucked anyway, eh?

But I get it... You're life won't be much different no matter who wins. And my daughter will be fine.

Sorry I just paraphrased you. Didn't think the direct quote added anything different. 

I think they will be fine yes indeed... resilience is the ability to grow with the challenges life brings, my children are brought up understanding the fluidity of life and we will adjust to what life throws us. The downside to living in a democracy is that sometimes we have to understand that our team isn't always going to win. I'm not counting us out but the momentum is def not currently in our favor 

Rape victims forced to carry their attacker's baby need more than resilience. 

>> The downside to living in a democracy is that sometimes we have to understand that our team isn't always going to win <<

you say that with such fluidity

do we really have a choice

regardless of how we got here

here we are

nashville, tennessee yesterday

nazi fucks fuck off!

vid clip below

https://x.com/wutangkids/status/1809951273480863828?s=61&t=V7B7ULOJJmWX2...

>I think they will be fine yes indeed
 

 women in red states are currently suffering the consequences of Christian nationalism.
If you think 'they' will be fine across America you're delusional. And it's not just women at risk of losing our rights. 

 

How many victims of Nazi Germany were told 'they will be fine' -  the lack of knowledge concerning human history and reigns of terror is staggering. 

 

GOP aren't even trying to hide their Nazi like agenda. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9H9LScyniD/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==