>>>>The indictment does not allege that any Americans knowingly participated in the hacking
Maybe not for the Hillary hacking but...
The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.
2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.
3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.
4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.
22) Alex van der Zwaan:This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.
23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was chargedalongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case this year.
Two ex-Trump advisers lied to the FBI about their contacts with Russians
Michael Flynn
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So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election.
The closest we’ve come to that is that both Papadopoulos and Flynn both now admit that they lied to the FBI about their contacts with people connected to the Russian government. (Papadopoulos’s contacts took place before the election, and Flynn’s after it.)
Papadopoulos: Back in April 2016, Papadopoulos got a tip from a foreign professor he understood to have Russian government connections that the Russians had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.” He then proceeded to have extensive contacts with the professor and a Russian woman, during which he tried to plan a Trump campaign trip to Russia.
But when the FBI interviewed Papadopoulos about all this in January 2017, he repeatedly lied about what happened, he now admits. So he was arrested in July, and later agreed to plead guilty to a false statements charge and start cooperating with Mueller’s probe.
Flynn: In December 2016, during the transition, Flynn spoke to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak about sanctions that President Barack Obama had just placed on Russia, and about a planned United Nations Security Council vote condemning Israeli settlements.
But when FBI agents interviewed him about all this in January 2017, Flynn lied to them about what his talks with Kislyak entailed, he now admits. In December 2017, Flynn pleaded guilty to a false statements charge and began cooperating with Mueller’s investigation.
Both Papadopoulos and Flynn may now be providing Mueller’s team with information that could incriminate others in Trump’s orbit. But we haven’t seen the fruits of their cooperation just yet.
Unlike Mike Pence, I’m and AMERICAN first and foremost. Maybe it’s time for the people who worship Jesus and Money more than America to go live in MOTHER RUSSIA where they can hate on gays and immigrants to their hearts content.
>>As a Bernie primary voter, I was hella mad. Guess the Russians fooled me.
Why were you mad? The DNCs process wasn't rigged. Bernie knew all about the superdelegates before he jumped in to the race. He also knew that there was no way that he could win.
It's a tough reality, but the superdelegates vote for the Party. Bernie has never been a democrat.
The indictment also makes the point that none of this activity had any effect whatsoever on the result of any election:
"The indictment does not allege that Trump campaign associates were involved in the hacking efforts or that any American was knowingly in contact with Russian intelligence officers.
The indictment also does not allege that any vote tallies were altered by hacking."
>>How have you dealt with Bernie losing so badly? Any advice?
I didn't vote for him in the primary (first time in 30 years he didn't get my vote). I've always thought that he's more effective in the Senate than he would be as POTUS, and I'll vote for him again for Senate.
Bernie lost the southern black votes to HRC and that spelled his doom. He had to play catch up from that point on. Bernie group didn't do enough outreach to that group until it was to late.
>>> The indictment also makes the point that none of this activity had any effect whatsoever on the result of any election.
I've read the indictment, Thom.
I challenge you to find that in the document.
Instead of claiming it had no effect, it makes no statement whatsoever about the impact, but makes clear this was a conspiracy to interfere in the election, and points to the intensive nature of the effort. E.g.:
If these hacks did not matter, why did Donald bring them up over 100 times during the last month of the election?
These emails were characterized by Trump and her other critics as showing Clinton held policy positions in private that were different from her public positions, that she received town hall topics in advance, and that they demonstrated negative internal dynamics inside the Clinton campaign.
Trump repeatedly brought up the emails, encouraged his supporters to see them for themselves, and also described several revelations inaccurately.
Let’s replay some of the biggest hits.
"The WikiLeaks revelations have revealed a degree of corruption at the highest levels of our government like nothing we have ever seen as a country before," Trump said at a rally in Colorado on Oct. 29.
"Hillary Clinton, as WikiLeaks proves, is a corrupt globalist," he said at a rally on Oct 21.
On July 27, 2016, Donald Trump denied Russia was the likely culprit in the email hacks, but also announced, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think that you’ll be rewarded mightily by our press.”
In what is possibly an astonishing coincidence, but probably not, that very night, according to the new indictments from the Department of Justice, Russians hackers “attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton’s personal office. At or about the same time, they also targeted seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton campaign.” Trump asked Russia to hack his opponent, and Russia did “… [f]or the first time,” as the indictment says.
Today’s latest, and almost certainly not last, indictments in the Russia scandal concern 12 Russian intelligence figures. The charge that Russians carried out the email theft is not a terribly surprising one, nor does it by itself suggest serious legal jeopardy for President Trump or his associates. Robert Mueller can’t arrest people in Russia, after all. The danger for Trump is the implication of collusion scattered throughout the indictments.
The indictment charges that the conspirators “received a request for stolen materials from a candidate for the U.S. Congress,” and “sent the candidate stolen documents.” The Wall Street Journal reported a year ago that “Guccifer 2.0,” one of the Russian hackers, communicated with Florida-based Republican operative Aaron Nevins. Nevins is not named in this indictment, but the revelation that a candidate also communicated with Russian hackers indicates yet another point of contact in a conspiracy that went beyond Trump’s campaign.
The most direct path to the Trump campaign indicated in this indictment runs through Roger Stone. The Republican dirty trickster officially left the Trump campaign in 2015, but remained in regular contact with Trump throughout the campaign.
Stone admittedly engaged in direct communication with one of the indicted Russian agents. The indictment cites Stone’s contact with Guccifer 2.0:
...
That certainly looks like acting as an accessory to a crime. Stone promises he will “never roll on Trump,” unlike John Dean, who fingered President Nixon for crimes during Watergate. The promise and the analogy both suggest that Stone has evidence of culpabality between Trump and Russia.
Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani writes, “The indictments Rod Rosenstein announced are good news for all Americans. The Russians are nailed. No Americans are involved. Time for Mueller to end this pursuit of the President and say President Trump is completely innocent.” The absurdity of this defense is so palpable it underscores the sheer desperation of Trump’s legal defense. As Giuliani surely understands, the prosecution is building its case step by step, and the absence of formal charges against an individual in any one indictment hardly indicates they are in the clear. President Trump has been all but charged with collusion in this indictment.
Marcy Wheeler (a.k.a. "emptywheel") is an American independent journalist specializing in national security and civil liberties. Wheeler publishes on her own site, Emptywheel,[1] established in July 2011. She makes occasional contributions to the commentary and analysis section of The Guardian,[2] progressive news site Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, and Michigan Liberal. Between early December 2007 and July 2011 Wheeler published primarily on Jane Hamsher's FireDogLake (FDL) and prior to that on The Next Hurrah.[3]
In October 2013, Newsweek published an article about Wheeler titled "The Woman Who Knows The NSA's Secrets."[6
Wheeler became a witness in Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of President Donald Trump's possible connections to Russia after outing one of her sources to the FBI in 2017.
also references other russians persons “known and unknown” to the grand jury, and describes these known and unknown persons as “conspirators” (paragraph 2) who,stages a large scale effort to interfere with the elections
Also, contact with a GOP operative and a request from an unnamed congressional candidate for stolen materials.
Seriously, any collusion by Trump aside, this investigation needs to go on because we really need to know this stuff. Prosecute people who should be caught but mostly EVERYONE needs to be on notice to be more careful and afraid of getting caught if they participate. And the rest of us need to be a little more discerning.
Last but not least, on Aug. 15, 2016, a “candidate for the U.S. Congress” requested stolen documents from the Russians posing as Guccifer 2.0. They obliged, and “sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate’s opponent.” The congressional candidate in question hasn’t been identified
February 1, 2016: gfade147 0.026043 bitcoin transaction
March 2016: Conspirators hack email accounts of volunteers and employees of Hillary campaign, including John Podesta
March 2016: Yermakov spearphishes two accounts that would be leaked to DC Leaks
March 14, 2016 through April 28, 2016: Conspirators use same pool of bitcoin to purchase VPN and lease server in Malaysia
March 15, 2016: Yermakov runs technical query for DNC IP configurations and searches for open source info on DNC network, Dem Party, and Hillary
March 19, 2016: Lukashev spearphish Podesta personal email using john356gh
March 21, 2016: Lukashev steals contents of Podesta’s email account, over 50,000 emails (he is named Victim 3 later in indictment)
March 25, 2016: Lukashev spearphishes Victims 1 (personal email) and 2 using john356gh; their emails later released on DCLeaks
March 28, 2016: Yermakov researched Victims 1 and 2 on social media
April 2016: Kozachek customizes X-Agent
April 2016: Conspirators hack into DCCC and DNC networks, plant X-Agent malware
April 2016: Conspirators plan release of materials stolen from Clinton Campaign, DCCC, and DNC
April 6, 2016: Conspirators create email for fake Clinton Campaign team member to spearphish Clinton campaign; DCCC Employee 1 clicks spearphish link
April 7, 2016: Yermakov runs technical query for DCCC’s internet protocol configurations
April 12, 2016: Conspirators use stolen credentials of DCCC employee to access network; Victim 4 DCCC email victimized
April 14, 2016: Conspirators use X-Agent keylog and screenshot functions to surveil DCCC Employee 1
April 15, 2016: Conspirators search hacked DCCC computer for “hillary,” “cruz,” “trump” and copied “Benghazi investigations” folder
April 15, 2016: Victim 5 DCCC email victimized
April 18, 2016: Conspirators hack into DNC through DCCC using credentials of DCCC employee with access to DNC server; Victim 6 DCCC email victimized
April 19, 2016: Kozachek, Yershov, and co-conspirators remotely configure middle server
April 19, 2016: Conspirators register dcleaks using operational email [email protected]
April 20, 2016: Conspirators direct X-Agent malware on DCCC computers to connect to middle server
April 22, 2016: Conspirators use X-Agent keylog and screenshot function to surveil DCCC Employee 2
April 22, 2016: Conspirators compress oppo research for exfil to server in Illinois
April 26, 2016: George Papadopolous learns Russians are offering election assistance in the form of leaked emails
April 28, 2016: Conspirators use bitcoin associated with Guccifer 2.0 VPN to lease Malaysian server hosting dcleaks.com
April 28, 2016: Conspirators test IL server
May 2016: Yermakov hacks DNC server
May 10, 2016: Victim 7 DNC email victimized
May 13, 2016: Conspirators delete logs from DNC computer
May 25 through June 1, 2016: Conspirators hack DNC Microsoft Exchange Server; Yermakov researches PowerShell commands related to accessing it
May 30, 2016: Malyshev upgrades the AMS (AZ) server, which receives updates from 13 DCCC and DNC computers
May 31, 2016: Yermakov researches Crowdstrike and X-Agent and X-Tunnel malware
June 2016: Conspirators staged and released tens of thousands of stolen emails and documents
June 1, 2016: Conspirators attempt to delete presence on DCCC using CCleaner
June 2, 2016: Victim 2 personal victimized
June 8, 2016: Conspirators launch dcleaks.com, dcleaks Facebook account using Alive Donovan, Jason Scott, and Richard Gingrey IDs, and @dcleaks_ Twitter account, using same computer used for other
June 9, 2016: Don Jr, Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner have meeting expecting dirt from Russians, including Aras Agalarov employee Ike Kaveladze
June 10, 2016: Ike Kaveladze has calls with Russia and NY while still in NYC
June 14, 2016: Conspirators register actblues and redirect DCCC website to actblues
June 14, 2016: WaPo (before noon ET) and Crowdstrike announces DNC hack
June 15, 2016, between 4:19PM and 4:56 PM Moscow Standard Time (9:19 and 9:56 AM ET): Conspirators log into Moscow-based sever and search for words that would end up in first Guccifer 2.0 post, including “some hundred sheets,” “illuminati,” “think twice about company’s competence,” “worldwide known”
June 15, 2016, 7:02PM MST (2:02PM ET): Guccifer 2.0 posts first post
June 15 adn 16, 2016: Ike Kaveladze places roaming calls from Russia, the only ones he places during the extended trip
June 20, 2016: Conspirators delete logs from AMS panel, including login history, attempt to reaccess DCCC using stolen credentials
June 22, 2016: Wikileaks sends a private message to Guccifer 2.0 to “send any new material here for us to review and it will have a much higher impact than what you are doing.”
June 27, 2016: Conspirators contact US reporter, send report password to access nonpublic portion of dcleaks
Late June, 2016: Failed attempts to transfer data to Wikileaks
July, 2016: Kovalev hacks into IL State Board of Elections and steals information on 500,000 voters
July 6, 2016: Conspirators use VPN to log into Guccifer 2.0 account
July 6, 2016: Wikileaks writes Guccifer 2.0 adding, “if you have anything hillary related we want it in the next tweo [sic] days prefabl [sic] because the DNC [Democratic National Convention] is approaching and she will solidify bernie supporters behind her after”
July 6, 2016: Victim 8 personal email victimized
July 14, 2016: Conspirators send WikiLeaks an email with attachment titled wk dnc link1.txt.gpg providing instructions on how to access online archive of stolen DNC documents
July 18, 2016: WikiLeaks confirms it has “the 1Gb or so archive” and would make a release of stolen documents “this week”
July 22, 2016: WikiLeaks releases first dump of 20,000 emails
July 27, 2016: Trump asks Russia for Hillary emails
July 27, 2016: After hours, conspirators attempt to spearphish email accounts at a domain hosted by third party provider and used by Hillary’s personal office, as well as 76 email addresses at Clinton Campaign
August 2016: Kovalev hacks into VR systems
August 15, 2016: Conspirators receive request for stolen documents from candidate for US congress
August 15, 2016: First Guccifer 2.0 exchange with Roger Stone noted
August 22, 2016: Conspirators transfer 2.5 GB of stolen DCCC data to registered FL state lobbyist Aaron Nevins
August 22, 2016: Conspirators send Lee Stranahan Black Lives Matter document
September 2016: Conspirators access DNC computers hosted on cloud service, creating backups of analytics applications
October 2016: Linux version of X-Agent remains on DNC network
October 7, 2016: WikiLeaks releases first set of Podesta emails
October 28, 2016: Kovalev visits counties in GA, IA, and FL to identify vulnerabilities
November 2016: Kovalev uses VR Systems email address to phish FL officials
January 12, 2017: Conspirators falsely claim the intrusions and release of stolen documents have “totally no relation to the Russian government”
February 1, 2016: gfade147 0.026043 bitcoin transaction
March 14, 2016 through April 28, 2016: Conspirators use same pool of bitcoin to purchase VPN and lease server in Malaysia
April 28, 2016: Conspirators use bitcoin associated with Guccifer 2.0 VPN to lease Malaysian server hosting dcleaks.com
Why would skillful "hackers" (or any intelligent person) use bitcoin as payment and means to facilitate crimes of this magnitude? It's transaction ledger is public and searchable.
It's just common sense to use any number of untraceable payment methods and a "hacker" would definitely know that.
>> can anyone explain why the conspirators searched for terms used in the guccifer post, before they made the guccifer post???
Maybe for the same reason developers diff files before they commit them to a repository?
They want to make sure someone else on their team hasn't already made the change or made a conflicting change (ie someone on their team might have already posted the guccifer post and they don't want to double it).
are you saying that they basically wanted to make sure they didn’t start two threads and get “emily”d big time by having two of them pretend to be romanian hackers at the same time?
>> are you saying that they basically wanted to make sure they didn’t start two threads and get “emily”d big time by having two of them pretend to be romanian hackers at the same time?
Yes, they didn't want to reveal they were many and not one. That's my uneducated guess to your question.
It seems like the basis of the Rosenstein announcement today was that Hillary's emails were indeed hacked by Russian operatives, let's take that at face value and assume that is true, it seems like it was either hackers or Seth Rich, I'm honestly not sure, but that's not the point, let's for the sake of the discussion say it was Russian hackers that gave Wikileaks the emails, does it matter at all the content of those emails prove without a shadow of a doubt that the democratic primary was completely rigged against Bernie Sanders? That seems to get lost in the madness of how these emails were obtained.
I get both sides of the discussion, I get all the talking points, but doesn't it matter on some level that the Democratic Party was an absolute scam? That seems to get lost in the debate. For instance, how does Bernie feel this evening? It would just be refreshingly honest if someone acknowledged the despicable nature of the content of the "hacked" emails, the irony is the debate has seemingly crystallized into the theory that the election was stolen by the unauthorized publication of evidence that the democratic primary was stolen...but I've yet to see anyone admitting that.
does it matter at all the content of those emails prove without a shadow of a doubt that the democratic primary was completely rigged against Bernie Sanders?
It matters less than the fact that Bernie isn't a Democrat. That seems to get lost in the debate.
>>> I get both sides of the discussion, I get all the talking points, but doesn't it matter on some level that the Democratic Party was an absolute scam?
These indictments have NOTHING to do with the fact you think on some level the Democratic Party is/was an absolute scam.
>>> That seems to get lost in the debate.
You want to "talk about" what's wrong with the parties, go start a thread on it, you'll get a lot of interesting responses.
This is complicated stuff and not everybody has the time to follow or wade through "muddied water".
So in this VERY important part of history...
Why don't we try to stick to facts NOT Whataboutism.
If you need to be reminded....
Special Counsel Robert Mueller has brought forward as of today.
- 191 Criminal Charges
- 32 People Indicted
- 3 Companies
- 5 Guilty pleas
- 1 already served jail time (Alex van der Zwaan)
- 1 awaiting Trial (Paul Manafort)
- 1 Republican Congressional Candidate asked for and received hacked documents
- Trump told Russia in front of the WORLD to hack.
- Trump Staff met with Russians
- Don Jr. worked with Wikileaks
The 5 Guilty Pleas:
Michael Flynn - Trump National Security
Rick Gates - Trump Deputy Campaign Manager
George Papadopoulos - Trump Campaign Foreign Policy Adviser
Richard Pinedo - Digital Marketing Strategist
Alex van der Zwaan - Manafort Associate / Russian Oligarch's Son-In-Law
First off...good morning, happy Saturday, I hope all is well with everyone! I should preface my remarks by saying I have admiration & respect for everyone here, I certainly don't know that Seth Rich downloaded Podesta's emails onto a thumb drive and gave them to Julian Assange, but I'm certainly not convinced that didn't happen, I don't think that qualifies as ghoulish, if Seth did that it was out of love for his country having witnessed the organized theft of the nomination process first hand. I'm not sure anyone on this board can say definitively if that did or did not happen, I know I can't.
The discussion point I was attempting was that the emails got to Assange one of two ways, and for the sake of the discussion assuming what Rosenstein said yesterday was truth...that it was Russian operatives, let's for a moment go with that, is it not somewhat ironic that the operational theory put forth is that the outcome of the presidential election was unjustly impacted by the exposure of the primary of that very election having been rigged? That seems to get lost in the discussion. For instance, let's imagine for a moment the DNC didn't steal the primary from Bernie, there would be no outrage if Wikileaks's published the emails or not, and according to theory the people in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan & Wisconsin that changed their vote from Clinton to Trump would have voted Clinton, or Bernie would have won the primary on a level playing field and beat Trump.
The only thing I'm attempting to bring forward here is nobody seems to be making any mention of the elephant in the room that if it weren't for the fact the primary was stolen, the chain of events wouldn't have been triggered in the first place, feel free to kill the messenger.
One of the exciting things for me to engage with this group is in my experience I've come to associate this community with the best and brightest, I think we can all humbly acknowledge it's a bright group of people who have gravitated towards this scene, if you leave your preconceived notions at the door and with an open mind study this video, I think you'll understand what I'm getting at, the only thought I'm putting forth here is if it were not for the underhanded nature of the DNC, there would be no Wikileaks dynamic, Bernie quite likely would have won the primary & the general election...if however Hillary could have won fair & square, according to current theory, she could have possibly won, if you blame Wikileaks.
The irony is the corruption of the DNC is as culpable as any Russian operative, on a level playing field Bernie would be in the White House.
Regardless of your views, I appreciate the discussion, much love to the group, our scene & Phil Lesh...the dream dreamed one afternoon long ago is alive and well, it's a beautiful thing that we're all here to tell the tale, Namaste!
Why did they refuse FBI assistance with the hacking of their server & go with a private company? Since St Mueller offered several times I'm shocked the DNC didn't accept such divine intervention
p.s. Lifelong Republican, Vietnam combat marine war hero and FBI Director appointed by GWBush Robert Mueller III (aka Bobby Three Sticks) wasn't working for the FBI in 2016.
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looks like it wasn't a 400
looks like it wasn't a 400 pound kid in his mom's basement who hacked the DNC.
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12 Russian intelligence
12 Russian military intelligence (GRU) officers, named and indicted for hacking into the DNC and state election software.
DC leaks and Guccifer.
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Whoa - could the "unnamed
Whoa - could the "unnamed conspirator" be the Trump campaign?
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^^ HILLARY!!!
^^ HILLARY!!!
LOCK HER UPS!!
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Whoa Putin is NOT going to be
Whoa Putin is NOT going to be happy about this, Donald’s work-review might not go as well as it was.
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The indictment does not
The indictment does not allege that any Americans knowingly participated in the hacking
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I think this is the official
I think this is the official thread about trump and the Russians fixing the election
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That's right, Ender, THIS
That's right, Ender, THIS indictment. I get the feeling another one is coming.
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>>>>The indictment does not
>>>>The indictment does not allege that any Americans knowingly participated in the hacking
Maybe not for the Hillary hacking but...
The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.
2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.
3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.
4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.
22) Alex van der Zwaan:This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.
23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was chargedalongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case this year.
Two ex-Trump advisers lied to the FBI about their contacts with Russians
Michael Flynn
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So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election.
The closest we’ve come to that is that both Papadopoulos and Flynn both now admit that they lied to the FBI about their contacts with people connected to the Russian government. (Papadopoulos’s contacts took place before the election, and Flynn’s after it.)
Papadopoulos: Back in April 2016, Papadopoulos got a tip from a foreign professor he understood to have Russian government connections that the Russians had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.” He then proceeded to have extensive contacts with the professor and a Russian woman, during which he tried to plan a Trump campaign trip to Russia.
But when the FBI interviewed Papadopoulos about all this in January 2017, he repeatedly lied about what happened, he now admits. So he was arrested in July, and later agreed to plead guilty to a false statements charge and start cooperating with Mueller’s probe.
Flynn: In December 2016, during the transition, Flynn spoke to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak about sanctions that President Barack Obama had just placed on Russia, and about a planned United Nations Security Council vote condemning Israeli settlements.
But when FBI agents interviewed him about all this in January 2017, Flynn lied to them about what his talks with Kislyak entailed, he now admits. In December 2017, Flynn pleaded guilty to a false statements charge and began cooperating with Mueller’s investigation.
Both Papadopoulos and Flynn may now be providing Mueller’s team with information that could incriminate others in Trump’s orbit. But we haven’t seen the fruits of their cooperation just yet.
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>> The indictment does not
>> The indictment does not allege that any Americans knowingly participated in the hacking.
Yep, No allegations in THESE indictments.
This is about 12 Russians indicted ONLY.
Speaking to this ^^^ ONLY!
Is that easier for you to understand now Ender?
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Stone and Asange should be on
Stone and Asange should be on deck according to my sources
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Didn't Roger Stone boast of
Didn't Roger Stone boast of his contact with Guccifer?
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>>>>That's right, Ender, THIS
Agree Bucky!!
>>>>That's right, Ender, THIS indictment. I get the feeling another one is coming.
Lock Rudy up now. He knew about the hack and that's why Trump hired him to shut him up with attorney client privilege.
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>>>> Stone and Assange should be on deck
...
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I thought you guys liked
I thought you guys liked whistleblowers (Mannfred excepted, he's been rock solid on hating them).
You aren't happy to find out your primary was rigged so you could fix it?
As a Bernie primary voter, I was hella mad. Guess the Russians fooled me.
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You guys? Are you not from
You guys? Are you not from the United States?
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Project much, ender? LOL
Project much, ender? LOL
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Unlike Mike Pence, I’m and
Unlike Mike Pence, I’m and AMERICAN first and foremost. Maybe it’s time for the people who worship Jesus and Money more than America to go live in MOTHER RUSSIA where they can hate on gays and immigrants to their hearts content.
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this is new, I think:
this is new, I think:
well, this too:
Full indictment here: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download
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At least I can take solace
: ( Ned. At least I can take solace that my vote doesn't matter anyway.
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For anyone who thinks that
For anyone who thinks that this will affect Trump, it won't. His top people may get indicted, and he'll still win the next election.
Deal with it.
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>>As a Bernie primary voter,
>>As a Bernie primary voter, I was hella mad. Guess the Russians fooled me.
Why were you mad? The DNCs process wasn't rigged. Bernie knew all about the superdelegates before he jumped in to the race. He also knew that there was no way that he could win.
It's a tough reality, but the superdelegates vote for the Party. Bernie has never been a democrat.
Signed,
A long time Bernie supporter from Vermont
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>> As a Bernie primary voter
>> As a Bernie primary voter, I was hella mad. Guess the Russians fooled me.
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>>>>Deal with it.
>>>>Deal with it.
How have you dealt with Bernie losing so badly? Any advice?
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>>> As a Bernie primary voter
>>> As a Bernie primary voter, I was hella mad. Guess the Russians fooled me.
>>> : ( Ned. At least I can take solace that my vote doesn't matter anyway.
Said EVERY Jill Stein voter after the stolen election.
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The indictment also makes the
The indictment also makes the point that none of this activity had any effect whatsoever on the result of any election:
"The indictment does not allege that Trump campaign associates were involved in the hacking efforts or that any American was knowingly in contact with Russian intelligence officers.
The indictment also does not allege that any vote tallies were altered by hacking."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/12-russians-accused-hacking-democrats-2016-us...
But keep your fantasy alive, your mental health probably depends on it. I understand that it's a tough time for the progressive left.
Whatever gets you thorough the night.
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(weasel headed fucknugget?
(weasel headed fucknugget? Ha ha ha ha)
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East coast elite you’re part
East coast elite you’re part of the problem
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Thom this has already been
Thom this has already been addressed.
>> The indictment also makes the point that none of this activity had any effect whatsoever on the result of any election:
Yep, No allegations in THESE indictments.
This is about 12 MILITARY Russians indicted ONLY.
Speaking to this ^^^ ONLY!
Is that easier for you to understand now Thom?
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>>How have you dealt with
>>How have you dealt with Bernie losing so badly? Any advice?
I didn't vote for him in the primary (first time in 30 years he didn't get my vote). I've always thought that he's more effective in the Senate than he would be as POTUS, and I'll vote for him again for Senate.
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Bernie lost the southern
Bernie lost the southern black votes to HRC and that spelled his doom. He had to play catch up from that point on. Bernie group didn't do enough outreach to that group until it was to late.
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>>> The indictment also
>>> The indictment also makes the point that none of this activity had any effect whatsoever on the result of any election.
I've read the indictment, Thom.
I challenge you to find that in the document.
Instead of claiming it had no effect, it makes no statement whatsoever about the impact, but makes clear this was a conspiracy to interfere in the election, and points to the intensive nature of the effort. E.g.:
If these hacks did not matter, why did Donald bring them up over 100 times during the last month of the election?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/21/jackie-sp...
These emails were characterized by Trump and her other critics as showing Clinton held policy positions in private that were different from her public positions, that she received town hall topics in advance, and that they demonstrated negative internal dynamics inside the Clinton campaign.
Trump repeatedly brought up the emails, encouraged his supporters to see them for themselves, and also described several revelations inaccurately.
Let’s replay some of the biggest hits.
"The WikiLeaks revelations have revealed a degree of corruption at the highest levels of our government like nothing we have ever seen as a country before," Trump said at a rally in Colorado on Oct. 29.
"Hillary Clinton, as WikiLeaks proves, is a corrupt globalist," he said at a rally on Oct 21.
"I love WikiLeaks," he said on Oct. 10.
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>>>>For anyone who thinks
>>>>For anyone who thinks that this will affect Trump, it won't. His top people may get indicted, and he'll still win the next election.
>>>>Deal with it.
Nilla please! The President is a grifter and will be forced to resign at some point. Get used to Pence 2020 signs in NH next year.
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>> The DNCs process wasn't
>> The DNCs process wasn't rigged.
Don't tell the DNC that.
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Classic deflection from the
Classic deflection from the Ender^^^
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Chait:
Chait:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/mueller-indictment-shows-tr...
On July 27, 2016, Donald Trump denied Russia was the likely culprit in the email hacks, but also announced, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think that you’ll be rewarded mightily by our press.”
In what is possibly an astonishing coincidence, but probably not, that very night, according to the new indictments from the Department of Justice, Russians hackers “attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton’s personal office. At or about the same time, they also targeted seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton campaign.” Trump asked Russia to hack his opponent, and Russia did “… [f]or the first time,” as the indictment says.
Today’s latest, and almost certainly not last, indictments in the Russia scandal concern 12 Russian intelligence figures. The charge that Russians carried out the email theft is not a terribly surprising one, nor does it by itself suggest serious legal jeopardy for President Trump or his associates. Robert Mueller can’t arrest people in Russia, after all. The danger for Trump is the implication of collusion scattered throughout the indictments.
The indictment charges that the conspirators “received a request for stolen materials from a candidate for the U.S. Congress,” and “sent the candidate stolen documents.” The Wall Street Journal reported a year ago that “Guccifer 2.0,” one of the Russian hackers, communicated with Florida-based Republican operative Aaron Nevins. Nevins is not named in this indictment, but the revelation that a candidate also communicated with Russian hackers indicates yet another point of contact in a conspiracy that went beyond Trump’s campaign.
The most direct path to the Trump campaign indicated in this indictment runs through Roger Stone. The Republican dirty trickster officially left the Trump campaign in 2015, but remained in regular contact with Trump throughout the campaign.
Stone admittedly engaged in direct communication with one of the indicted Russian agents. The indictment cites Stone’s contact with Guccifer 2.0:
...
That certainly looks like acting as an accessory to a crime. Stone promises he will “never roll on Trump,” unlike John Dean, who fingered President Nixon for crimes during Watergate. The promise and the analogy both suggest that Stone has evidence of culpabality between Trump and Russia.
Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani writes, “The indictments Rod Rosenstein announced are good news for all Americans. The Russians are nailed. No Americans are involved. Time for Mueller to end this pursuit of the President and say President Trump is completely innocent.” The absurdity of this defense is so palpable it underscores the sheer desperation of Trump’s legal defense. As Giuliani surely understands, the prosecution is building its case step by step, and the absence of formal charges against an individual in any one indictment hardly indicates they are in the clear. President Trump has been all but charged with collusion in this indictment.
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Way to go, Team Mueller!!
Way to go, Team Mueller!!
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Who is going to be best
Who is going to be best Melania when all of the movies come out?
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So these Russians won't be
So these 12 Russians won't be extradited or tried?
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>> Who is going to be best
>> Who is going to be best Melania when all of the movies come out?
They can prop up Philip Seymour Hoffman's bloated corpse and have it play Trump.
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>>>>Who is going to be best
>>>>Who is going to be best Melania when all of the movies come out?
C list cinamax soft porn actresses
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>>Who is going to be best
>>Who is going to be best Melania when all of the movies come out?
Mila Kunis
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Clueless numpty-ha ha
Clueless numpty-ha ha
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T.O.D. can you please source
T.O.D. can you please source your cut and pastes? Thanks.
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https://www.emptywheel.net
^^^ https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/07/13/the-russian-hack/
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Thanks for asking Ender.
Thanks for asking Ender.
Marcy Wheeler
Marcy Wheeler (a.k.a. "emptywheel") is an American independent journalist specializing in national security and civil liberties. Wheeler publishes on her own site, Emptywheel,[1] established in July 2011. She makes occasional contributions to the commentary and analysis section of The Guardian,[2] progressive news site Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, and Michigan Liberal. Between early December 2007 and July 2011 Wheeler published primarily on Jane Hamsher's FireDogLake (FDL) and prior to that on The Next Hurrah.[3]
In October 2013, Newsweek published an article about Wheeler titled "The Woman Who Knows The NSA's Secrets."[6
Wheeler became a witness in Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of President Donald Trump's possible connections to Russia after outing one of her sources to the FBI in 2017.
More... just click on the link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcy_Wheeler
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Ender - She's more credible
Ender - She's more credible than anyone you can source.
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Weird Steve is correct.
Weird Steve is correct.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/07/13/the-russian-hack/
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Witches get Stiches
Witches get Stiches
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Ender you voted for Bernie?
Ender you voted for Bernie?
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>> Ender you voted for Bernie
>> Ender you voted for Bernie?
Yes, in my state's open primary.
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So are these the previously
So are these the previously unnamed Russian conspirators or a new batch? Working today haven't had time to read
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Hillman - "New Batch" they're
Hillman - New Batch...they're Military.
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also references other
also references other
russianspersons “known and unknown” to the grand jury, and describes these known and unknown persons as “conspirators” (paragraph 2) who,stages a large scale effort to interfere with the electionsPretty clear more indictments are coming.
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Also, contact with a GOP
Also, contact with a GOP operative and a request from an unnamed congressional candidate for stolen materials.
Seriously, any collusion by Trump aside, this investigation needs to go on because we really need to know this stuff. Prosecute people who should be caught but mostly EVERYONE needs to be on notice to be more careful and afraid of getting caught if they participate. And the rest of us need to be a little more discerning.
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Last but not least, on Aug.
Last but not least, on Aug. 15, 2016, a “candidate for the U.S. Congress” requested stolen documents from the Russians posing as Guccifer 2.0. They obliged, and “sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate’s opponent.” The congressional candidate in question hasn’t been identified
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^^^^^^^^^^Florida Republicans
^^^^^^^^^^Florida Republicans play starring roles in Russia hacking indictment
By MARC CAPUTO
07/13/2018 06:37 PM EDT
https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2018/07/13/florida-republi...
Two Florida Republicans and possibly a third — Rep. Brian Mast — play starring roles in the indictment, although none is named.
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Here's a Timeline:
Here's a Timeline:
February 1, 2016: gfade147 0.026043 bitcoin transaction
March 2016: Conspirators hack email accounts of volunteers and employees of Hillary campaign, including John Podesta
March 2016: Yermakov spearphishes two accounts that would be leaked to DC Leaks
March 14, 2016 through April 28, 2016: Conspirators use same pool of bitcoin to purchase VPN and lease server in Malaysia
March 15, 2016: Yermakov runs technical query for DNC IP configurations and searches for open source info on DNC network, Dem Party, and Hillary
March 19, 2016: Lukashev spearphish Podesta personal email using john356gh
March 21, 2016: Lukashev steals contents of Podesta’s email account, over 50,000 emails (he is named Victim 3 later in indictment)
March 25, 2016: Lukashev spearphishes Victims 1 (personal email) and 2 using john356gh; their emails later released on DCLeaks
March 28, 2016: Yermakov researched Victims 1 and 2 on social media
April 2016: Kozachek customizes X-Agent
April 2016: Conspirators hack into DCCC and DNC networks, plant X-Agent malware
April 2016: Conspirators plan release of materials stolen from Clinton Campaign, DCCC, and DNC
April 6, 2016: Conspirators create email for fake Clinton Campaign team member to spearphish Clinton campaign; DCCC Employee 1 clicks spearphish link
April 7, 2016: Yermakov runs technical query for DCCC’s internet protocol configurations
April 12, 2016: Conspirators use stolen credentials of DCCC employee to access network; Victim 4 DCCC email victimized
April 14, 2016: Conspirators use X-Agent keylog and screenshot functions to surveil DCCC Employee 1
April 15, 2016: Conspirators search hacked DCCC computer for “hillary,” “cruz,” “trump” and copied “Benghazi investigations” folder
April 15, 2016: Victim 5 DCCC email victimized
April 18, 2016: Conspirators hack into DNC through DCCC using credentials of DCCC employee with access to DNC server; Victim 6 DCCC email victimized
April 19, 2016: Kozachek, Yershov, and co-conspirators remotely configure middle server
April 19, 2016: Conspirators register dcleaks using operational email [email protected]
April 20, 2016: Conspirators direct X-Agent malware on DCCC computers to connect to middle server
April 22, 2016: Conspirators use X-Agent keylog and screenshot function to surveil DCCC Employee 2
April 22, 2016: Conspirators compress oppo research for exfil to server in Illinois
April 26, 2016: George Papadopolous learns Russians are offering election assistance in the form of leaked emails
April 28, 2016: Conspirators use bitcoin associated with Guccifer 2.0 VPN to lease Malaysian server hosting dcleaks.com
April 28, 2016: Conspirators test IL server
May 2016: Yermakov hacks DNC server
May 10, 2016: Victim 7 DNC email victimized
May 13, 2016: Conspirators delete logs from DNC computer
May 25 through June 1, 2016: Conspirators hack DNC Microsoft Exchange Server; Yermakov researches PowerShell commands related to accessing it
May 30, 2016: Malyshev upgrades the AMS (AZ) server, which receives updates from 13 DCCC and DNC computers
May 31, 2016: Yermakov researches Crowdstrike and X-Agent and X-Tunnel malware
June 2016: Conspirators staged and released tens of thousands of stolen emails and documents
June 1, 2016: Conspirators attempt to delete presence on DCCC using CCleaner
June 2, 2016: Victim 2 personal victimized
June 8, 2016: Conspirators launch dcleaks.com, dcleaks Facebook account using Alive Donovan, Jason Scott, and Richard Gingrey IDs, and @dcleaks_ Twitter account, using same computer used for other
June 9, 2016: Don Jr, Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner have meeting expecting dirt from Russians, including Aras Agalarov employee Ike Kaveladze
June 10, 2016: Ike Kaveladze has calls with Russia and NY while still in NYC
June 14, 2016: Conspirators register actblues and redirect DCCC website to actblues
June 14, 2016: WaPo (before noon ET) and Crowdstrike announces DNC hack
June 15, 2016, between 4:19PM and 4:56 PM Moscow Standard Time (9:19 and 9:56 AM ET): Conspirators log into Moscow-based sever and search for words that would end up in first Guccifer 2.0 post, including “some hundred sheets,” “illuminati,” “think twice about company’s competence,” “worldwide known”
June 15, 2016, 7:02PM MST (2:02PM ET): Guccifer 2.0 posts first post
June 15 adn 16, 2016: Ike Kaveladze places roaming calls from Russia, the only ones he places during the extended trip
June 20, 2016: Conspirators delete logs from AMS panel, including login history, attempt to reaccess DCCC using stolen credentials
June 22, 2016: Wikileaks sends a private message to Guccifer 2.0 to “send any new material here for us to review and it will have a much higher impact than what you are doing.”
June 27, 2016: Conspirators contact US reporter, send report password to access nonpublic portion of dcleaks
Late June, 2016: Failed attempts to transfer data to Wikileaks
July, 2016: Kovalev hacks into IL State Board of Elections and steals information on 500,000 voters
July 6, 2016: Conspirators use VPN to log into Guccifer 2.0 account
July 6, 2016: Wikileaks writes Guccifer 2.0 adding, “if you have anything hillary related we want it in the next tweo [sic] days prefabl [sic] because the DNC [Democratic National Convention] is approaching and she will solidify bernie supporters behind her after”
July 6, 2016: Victim 8 personal email victimized
July 14, 2016: Conspirators send WikiLeaks an email with attachment titled wk dnc link1.txt.gpg providing instructions on how to access online archive of stolen DNC documents
July 18, 2016: WikiLeaks confirms it has “the 1Gb or so archive” and would make a release of stolen documents “this week”
July 22, 2016: WikiLeaks releases first dump of 20,000 emails
July 27, 2016: Trump asks Russia for Hillary emails
July 27, 2016: After hours, conspirators attempt to spearphish email accounts at a domain hosted by third party provider and used by Hillary’s personal office, as well as 76 email addresses at Clinton Campaign
August 2016: Kovalev hacks into VR systems
August 15, 2016: Conspirators receive request for stolen documents from candidate for US congress
August 15, 2016: First Guccifer 2.0 exchange with Roger Stone noted
August 22, 2016: Conspirators transfer 2.5 GB of stolen DCCC data to registered FL state lobbyist Aaron Nevins
August 22, 2016: Conspirators send Lee Stranahan Black Lives Matter document
September 2016: Conspirators access DNC computers hosted on cloud service, creating backups of analytics applications
October 2016: Linux version of X-Agent remains on DNC network
October 7, 2016: WikiLeaks releases first set of Podesta emails
October 28, 2016: Kovalev visits counties in GA, IA, and FL to identify vulnerabilities
November 2016: Kovalev uses VR Systems email address to phish FL officials
January 12, 2017: Conspirators falsely claim the intrusions and release of stolen documents have “totally no relation to the Russian government”
Ender - Please ask me for the "source".
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Looks like the "Deep State"
Looks like the "Deep State" has been busy putting this together^^^
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February 1, 2016: gfade147 0
February 1, 2016: gfade147 0.026043 bitcoin transaction
March 14, 2016 through April 28, 2016: Conspirators use same pool of bitcoin to purchase VPN and lease server in Malaysia
April 28, 2016: Conspirators use bitcoin associated with Guccifer 2.0 VPN to lease Malaysian server hosting dcleaks.com
Why would skillful "hackers" (or any intelligent person) use bitcoin as payment and means to facilitate crimes of this magnitude? It's transaction ledger is public and searchable.
It's just common sense to use any number of untraceable payment methods and a "hacker" would definitely know that.
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can anyone explain why the
can anyone explain why the conspirators searched for terms used in the guccifer post, before they made the guccifer post???
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Ender - Is Bitcoin a "crypto
Ender - Is Bitcoin a "crypto currency"?
Marcy Wheeler is o MSNBC right now!
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>> can anyone explain why the
>> can anyone explain why the conspirators searched for terms used in the guccifer post, before they made the guccifer post???
Maybe for the same reason developers diff files before they commit them to a repository?
They want to make sure someone else on their team hasn't already made the change or made a conflicting change (ie someone on their team might have already posted the guccifer post and they don't want to double it).
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>>>>>Marcy Wheeler is o MSNBC
>>>>>Marcy Wheeler is o MSNBC right now!
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“diff files”?
“diff files”?
are you saying that they basically wanted to make sure they didn’t start two threads and get “emily”d big time by having two of them pretend to be romanian hackers at the same time?
ps pretty wild Mueller has their searches.
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Ender - They used American
Ender - They used American aliases.
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>> are you saying that they
>> are you saying that they basically wanted to make sure they didn’t start two threads and get “emily”d big time by having two of them pretend to be romanian hackers at the same time?
Yes, they didn't want to reveal they were many and not one. That's my uneducated guess to your question.
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thanks, that makes sense.
thanks, that makes sense.
OK, I just rewatched via boob tube Rod Rosenstein’s opening statement.
He said they conspirators “interfered” with the election.
Doesn’t that imply that the hack, wikileaks, and the Trump campign working with wikileaks impacted the election?
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>>>He said they conspirators
>>>He said they conspirators “interfered” with the election.
For HRC hack until next round
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>>> OK, I just rewatched via
>>> OK, I just rewatched via boob tube Rod Rosenstein’s opening statement.
He said they conspirators “interfered” with the election.
Doesn’t that imply that the hack, wikileaks, and the Trump campign working with wikileaks impacted the election?
BINGO!
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It seems like the basis
It seems like the basis of the Rosenstein announcement today was that Hillary's emails were indeed hacked by Russian operatives, let's take that at face value and assume that is true, it seems like it was either hackers or Seth Rich, I'm honestly not sure, but that's not the point, let's for the sake of the discussion say it was Russian hackers that gave Wikileaks the emails, does it matter at all the content of those emails prove without a shadow of a doubt that the democratic primary was completely rigged against Bernie Sanders? That seems to get lost in the madness of how these emails were obtained.
I get both sides of the discussion, I get all the talking points, but doesn't it matter on some level that the Democratic Party was an absolute scam? That seems to get lost in the debate. For instance, how does Bernie feel this evening? It would just be refreshingly honest if someone acknowledged the despicable nature of the content of the "hacked" emails, the irony is the debate has seemingly crystallized into the theory that the election was stolen by the unauthorized publication of evidence that the democratic primary was stolen...but I've yet to see anyone admitting that.
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does it matter at all the
does it matter at all the content of those emails prove without a shadow of a doubt that the democratic primary was completely rigged against Bernie Sanders?
It matters less than the fact that Bernie isn't a Democrat. That seems to get lost in the debate.
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I disagree
I disagree
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next round of indictments
next round of indictments will be interesting
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^ Brick?
^
Brick?
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>>> I get both sides of the
>>> I get both sides of the discussion, I get all the talking points, but doesn't it matter on some level that the Democratic Party was an absolute scam?
These indictments have NOTHING to do with the fact you think on some level the Democratic Party is/was an absolute scam.
>>> That seems to get lost in the debate.
You want to "talk about" what's wrong with the parties, go start a thread on it, you'll get a lot of interesting responses.
This is complicated stuff and not everybody has the time to follow or wade through "muddied water".
So in this VERY important part of history...
Why don't we try to stick to facts NOT Whataboutism.
If you need to be reminded....
Special Counsel Robert Mueller has brought forward as of today.
- 191 Criminal Charges
- 32 People Indicted
- 3 Companies
- 5 Guilty pleas
- 1 already served jail time (Alex van der Zwaan)
- 1 awaiting Trial (Paul Manafort)
- 1 Republican Congressional Candidate asked for and received hacked documents
- Trump told Russia in front of the WORLD to hack.
- Trump Staff met with Russians
- Don Jr. worked with Wikileaks
The 5 Guilty Pleas:
Michael Flynn - Trump National Security
Rick Gates - Trump Deputy Campaign Manager
George Papadopoulos - Trump Campaign Foreign Policy Adviser
Richard Pinedo - Digital Marketing Strategist
Alex van der Zwaan - Manafort Associate / Russian Oligarch's Son-In-Law
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Why not be a decent person
What kind of ghoul sticks with the Seth Rich story after yesterday's indictments?
The Seth Rich story was total Russian bullshit, just like claims Bernie got screwed.
https://www.npr.org/2017/09/15/551163406/fox-news-has-yet-to-explain-what-what-wrong-in-seth-rich-story
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/wikileaks-fuels-conspirac...
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https://www.vivalazone.org
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/all-new-viva-members-voted-trump
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https://twitter.com
https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/1017837089738674176
Words I'm looking forward to hearing and reading: "Hannity indictment".
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>>> What kind of ghoul sticks
>>> What kind of ghoul sticks with the Seth Rich story after yesterday's indictments?
Somebody who wants to muddy the waters to deflect from getting the truth out to the people who care about the fate of our Democracy.
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First off...good morning
First off...good morning, happy Saturday, I hope all is well with everyone! I should preface my remarks by saying I have admiration & respect for everyone here, I certainly don't know that Seth Rich downloaded Podesta's emails onto a thumb drive and gave them to Julian Assange, but I'm certainly not convinced that didn't happen, I don't think that qualifies as ghoulish, if Seth did that it was out of love for his country having witnessed the organized theft of the nomination process first hand. I'm not sure anyone on this board can say definitively if that did or did not happen, I know I can't.
The discussion point I was attempting was that the emails got to Assange one of two ways, and for the sake of the discussion assuming what Rosenstein said yesterday was truth...that it was Russian operatives, let's for a moment go with that, is it not somewhat ironic that the operational theory put forth is that the outcome of the presidential election was unjustly impacted by the exposure of the primary of that very election having been rigged? That seems to get lost in the discussion. For instance, let's imagine for a moment the DNC didn't steal the primary from Bernie, there would be no outrage if Wikileaks's published the emails or not, and according to theory the people in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan & Wisconsin that changed their vote from Clinton to Trump would have voted Clinton, or Bernie would have won the primary on a level playing field and beat Trump.
The only thing I'm attempting to bring forward here is nobody seems to be making any mention of the elephant in the room that if it weren't for the fact the primary was stolen, the chain of events wouldn't have been triggered in the first place, feel free to kill the messenger.
Much love to everyone here, have a beautiful day!
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Passive aggressive narration
Passive aggressive narration based on Trumped up distraction not a first around here.
But, we'll try to keep you focused on what's important to the fate of our Democracy.
Country before Party.
Enjoy your Sunday!
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Have a great weekend!
Have a great weekend!
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One of the exciting
One of the exciting things for me to engage with this group is in my experience I've come to associate this community with the best and brightest, I think we can all humbly acknowledge it's a bright group of people who have gravitated towards this scene, if you leave your preconceived notions at the door and with an open mind study this video, I think you'll understand what I'm getting at, the only thought I'm putting forth here is if it were not for the underhanded nature of the DNC, there would be no Wikileaks dynamic, Bernie quite likely would have won the primary & the general election...if however Hillary could have won fair & square, according to current theory, she could have possibly won, if you blame Wikileaks.
The irony is the corruption of the DNC is as culpable as any Russian operative, on a level playing field Bernie would be in the White House.
Regardless of your views, I appreciate the discussion, much love to the group, our scene & Phil Lesh...the dream dreamed one afternoon long ago is alive and well, it's a beautiful thing that we're all here to tell the tale, Namaste!
France 3
Croatia 1
https://youtu.be/fMUDhqZcCXU
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Why did they refuse FBI
Why did they refuse FBI assistance with the hacking of their server & go with a private company? Since St Mueller offered several times I'm shocked the DNC didn't accept such divine intervention
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https://twitter.com/Timodc
https://twitter.com/Timodc/status/1017941376644759552
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https://twitter.com/RidT
https://twitter.com/RidT/status/987476207448002560
https://ridt.co/
p.s. Lifelong Republican, Vietnam combat marine war hero and FBI Director appointed by GWBush Robert Mueller III (aka Bobby Three Sticks) wasn't working for the FBI in 2016.
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What did crowdsource ask for?
What did crowdsource ask for? nothing?
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Would democracy had been
Would democracy had been better served if the DNC's shenanigans remained secret?
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...or if they never happened
...or if they never happened at all?