hope it's better than the closing of the warphild friday show, man that wmd bored me, not even david (not chris) nelson could save it. pretty much ended my plf days then and there.
>>>>And what's the deal with prohibiting people from going upstairs unless they paid more money?
THANK YOU!!!!!
I keep running into this problem! At MSG NYE I wanted to get into a luxury box but security said I had to have a really expensive ticket to get in there and then I pointed down towards the first row and they said I would have to purchase a much more expensive ticket to go there as well!!! WTF???
Perhaps, but also same old tuchus liquors at the lvbb well!
Sorry for not buying into the the whole "upsell shtick" ... never have never will.
But just for laughs: unless "club level access" allows one into the "owner's boxes", boxes, or bowling lanes, what's the point? There's basically a very limited number of "rail" spots (behind the "owner's boxes") which will have any sightlines ... with most spots being totally obscured. Yes, the lounge area is nice & the upper deck is kinda cool, but is it worth the extra $$$?!? It's just seems like yet another bean counter's vision of slicing and dicing in the giant mousetrap of "space for sale".
^ all at a cost to the remainder of the "General Admission population" in so far as ratcheting the sardine can even tighter ... as I'm sure people who paid for club level access will wander downstairs after realizing their "seats" aren't as good as they may have suspected.
Sorry, I'll never accept this as the "program" we all need to accept ... regardless of how I'm "labeled".
i mean how many heads are in vegas? how many want to travel there for phil and kids show?
ps. msg, i FB'd you... re: 2/4 I have 3 tickets 1st row balcony rail for Willie Nelson @ the Venetian if you or anyone is interested...trying for face..
On one hand, we're all supposed to imagine a carefree hippie who's embraced the "ideology of the 60's"; a torchbearer carrying the spirit forward to present day events ... yet we're confronted with a "pay for comfort" paradigm which rivals the airlines at almost every turn.
Likewise, lol @ your depection of me ... you really DON'T seem to get where I and others are coming from on this. We're not seeking to be on the "greener side" of the fences that have been erected to divide us; not hardly, I'd still hang out on the periphery without any fences, but would readily sense how the spirit would flow more freely / organically.
Pay for comfort paradigm? You mean American Capitalism? Something with more value should cost more? Funny how the more expensive tickets sell out first.
So please explain to me as I'm clearly an uneducated pawn of the Bourgeoisie!
He's trying to address your concerns....you should try to communicate them more clearly. Since he works there, maybe you can move things in the direction you want.
He's trying to address your concerns....you should try to communicate them more clearly. Since he works there, maybe you can move things in the direction you want.,<<<<
ned, you've clearly woken up on the wrong side of the bed for you to be so engaged in stirring the pot!
Why don't you stop going there, as BBLV Man suggests?<<<
Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of choice. I don't like to fly at all & I can drive to Vegas within a single day vs. TXR which requires me to spend a night on the way out and the way back.
ned gets my point, he just doesn't agree ... some do, some don't ... are you sure you can speak for "everyone"?
It's not the total price, it's the pay to play class system being imposed on the scene which I have an issue (as do others).
As someone who never buys VIP, but still spends a shitload of $$$ on shows, I'd happily pay a little more for a GA ticket if it meant all fans have equivalent "credentials" in so far as access to the venue (with the exception of ADA & backstage).
No dog in this fight but I seem to recall TXR doing VIP and setting up a velvet rope or something in front of the first couple of rows at one point. Maybe during the great hoodie war era?
Seats at sports games cost different prices. Same with broadway shows. Shit, there is even different access levels to costco or sams club. There are express lanes in LA that cost more to drive in. What reality do you live in. Buy the level you are comfortable with or dont go. The choice is yours. Shapiro didn't invent level pricing or vip packages at concerts. There were vip packages to the rainforest benefit the GD did at MSG decades ago. Your point is still lost on me. What is it?
I personally bought the cheapest ticket to Dead and Co, Black Sabbath and Roger Waters. As long as I'm in I'm good. I'll figure it out when I get there. Always find a great spot to hang. Worry about the stuff that you can change/matters and let the BS roll off your back or your going to live a miserable life!
Seems to me you're coming very close to categorizing GD related shows as a "commodity". If that's all it is to you, then I suppose my perspective would be rooted in some "other reality" & I can't blame you for not embracing that which is not grounded in the "financials". Of course Shapiro didn't invent upselling / tiered pricing at concerts, but he's clearly one of the primary players to thrust it upon the GD & "jamband" scene ... effectively creating a "new normal" for those just getting on bus (and what it has "become"). My suspicion is the total number of "vip" (anything) tickets the GD sold over the course of their existence is less then 1/1000th of a percent vs. what amounts a carefully contemplated model which expands and contracts it's tentacles based upon a variety of factors.
Re: your second post: that's basically the same approach I use, but these are the "days between" & I'm on the fence re: Vegas ... mostly because of the venue (and weather to drive) ... so I'm giving myself license to bitch and complain while I have the opportunity.
So you have still not said what you want. All "Jam" bands should have low ticket prices and allow everyone to go everywhere and pixie dust for the encore? Explain yourself. You feel that you are owed something by somebody. What does Phil or Bobby or Shapiro owe you? Explain how going to a venue for a show isn't a commodity. What is it? A God given entitlement? All I have ever seen you do is bitch without suggesting a solution or a better way.
Spell it out for this blind man in the dark? I'll be sure to pass it along to Pete and Phil Fri afternoon.
>>>Seems to me you're coming very close to categorizing GD related shows as a "commodity"<<<
The Grateful Dead were always a commodity.
It was the knucklehead fans who have always tried to make them into something else. Well, except when they were trying their damnedest to sell GD related crap in parking lots across the country.
"We've always tried to be a sell-out, but no one was buying."
Shapiro is succeeding independently in an industry controlled by massive multimillion dollar corporations. That isn't easy, in fact it's almost impossible, but he's doing it and doing it well.
Anyone who believes that can happen without using VIP packages and all the gougy up-sells that have been the tools of the major promotion trade since the days Romans went into the Coliseum to see lions eat Christians is a child or a fool.
Or DAMN smart, and those people should absolutely be getting busy putting on great shows in great venues without all the gougy extras for low prices that are fair and equal for ALL!!!
AND WITH WATER FOUNTAINS!!!!
But until that glorious day I think it's cool that someone is successful going up against the Disneyesque corporate promoters that rule the concert industry in the 21st century with their plastic venues and national tours and are putting on unique, interesting shows in good venues.
Shapiro can be a bit of a bloated clown, but so what? The dude is putting on damn good shows in very good venues and making it work within a MASSIVELY competitive market. Please report if there is anyone else doing it better at his level.
And BTW, the reason why Phil doesn't play in SoCal or anywhere else for that matter is because he retired from the road five years ago and never intended to play anywhere else except his personal little venue ten minutes away from his couch, until Shappy had an idea and the means to make it happen and came to Phil with a unique proposal. A proposal that has worked pretty well to my eyes.
No one else has done that, because no one else DOES that. If it can't compare internationally to U2 or Madonna (or Dead & Co.) no other promoter ever considers it.
If it wasn't for Shapiro Phil would not have played anywhere else but TxR for the past five years. People may or not care about that, but that's the way it is.
For all the shit Shapiro gets I sure wish BBLV was around when I lived there for 6 years. Besides Vegoose which failed within three years, the jammier music scene was so bad people had to see shows like dso, cubensis, the maykers, dumpstaphunk, Moe and others at random strip mall bars put on by the las Vegas jamband society. Pretty hurtin'. There was this tall stinky white dready dude who would without fail end up in front of is every time. It was uncanny, always blocking the view and stinking up the general area.
Got to see steel pulse at BBLV a few years ago while visiting for a wedding. Place didn't seem so bad but wasn't full by any means, just the way I like it.
I'm really not trying to fight with you. Just trying to understand.
BBLV isn't perfect, and there are a lot of things beyond my control or done for reasons I may not agree with myself, but everyone who works there really tries to make it a cool place.
And whether you want to believe it or not, Peter really does love the music and is trying to keep the scene alive in the corporate structure that controls the music industry as best as he can. He makes mistakes, nothing is perfect, but he honestly does care and try to do the right thing.
Take it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on!
>>> Of course Shapiro didn't invent upselling / tiered pricing at concerts, but he's clearly one of the primary players to thrust it upon the GD & "jamband" scene ... effectively creating a "new normal" for those just getting on bus (and what it has "become"). My suspicion is the total number of "vip" (anything) tickets the GD sold over the course of their existence is less then 1/1000th of a percent vs. what amounts a carefully contemplated model which expands and contracts it's tentacles based upon a variety of factors.<<<
Shapiro followed the industry, he didn't lead them into the tiered/VIP thing.
I would guess your suspicion (1/1000%) would be way off. As long as the GD played sheds (outdoor amphitheaters), there was a higher price to be in the seats down low, and cheaper on the lawn. Of course, a Spectrum or Hampton show that was all GA was the complete opposite, and probably what you're looking for. So, call it anywhere from 25-50% of GD shows that had tiered pricing, not 0.001%.
I realize you're not looking for a fight BBLV Man. Nor am I, or do I feel it's worth a continued heated exchange if we can simply agree to disagree regarding our beliefs as they relate to how (GD related) "shows ought to be promoted". I generally understand the law of supply and demand, so I get what you're saying ... I just don't belief it has to be that way in the GD world ... even in light of the general concert landscape trending in such a direction. Perhaps there'll be a backlash in the future. But you're in Vegas & probably don't need to worry about that too much! For what it's worth, I believe the LVBB is run well for what it is / and in the context of Las Vegas as a locale. I have easily seen over 20 shows there, but like I said, I'm simply not a fan of whole upsell / pay for space formula.
Tiered and VIP pricing can have its positive side. It is well known that unsold VIP seats get released at regular price (minus the frills) at a later date. Just gotta be perseverant.
Got seats to Roger Waters in Sept. When tix went on sale, they were full price. A week later, the whole section dropped $100 (from $250), while the section opposite was still full price. Don't think its because they're obstructed view or anything - but its kinda weird. So the guy sitting next to me on my left will be in the full price section, while I'll be in the next price tier down.
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I'm in!
I'm in!
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hope its better than the
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Have they installed water
Have they installed water fountains yet?
And what's the deal with prohibiting people from going upstairs unless they paid more money?
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FaceOnMars on Sunday, January 15, 2017 – 08:23 pm
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Have they installed water
Have they installed water fountains yet?
And what's the deal with prohibiting people from going upstairs unless they paid more money?
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FaceOnMars on Sunday, January 15, 2017 – 08:23 pm
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Have they installed water
Have they installed water fountains yet?
And what's the deal with prohibiting people from going upstairs unless they paid more money?
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FaceOnMars on Sunday, January 15, 2017 – 08:23 pm
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Have they installed water
Have they installed water fountains yet?
And what's the deal with prohibiting people from going upstairs unless they paid more money?
no they havent and they sold out upstairs at more money
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New Zone Same Old Asshats
New Zone
Same Old Asshats
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^ ... Well, I sold my soul to
^ ... Well, I sold my soul to the company store...
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bblvmsg man how many ticket
bblvmsg man how many ticket have they sold each nite for for at the bb
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>>>>And what's the deal with
>>>>And what's the deal with prohibiting people from going upstairs unless they paid more money?
THANK YOU!!!!!
I keep running into this problem! At MSG NYE I wanted to get into a luxury box but security said I had to have a really expensive ticket to get in there and then I pointed down towards the first row and they said I would have to purchase a much more expensive ticket to go there as well!!! WTF???
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New Zone
New Zone
Same Old Asshats<<<<
Perhaps, but also same old tuchus liquors at the lvbb well!
Sorry for not buying into the the whole "upsell shtick" ... never have never will.
But just for laughs: unless "club level access" allows one into the "owner's boxes", boxes, or bowling lanes, what's the point? There's basically a very limited number of "rail" spots (behind the "owner's boxes") which will have any sightlines ... with most spots being totally obscured. Yes, the lounge area is nice & the upper deck is kinda cool, but is it worth the extra $$$?!? It's just seems like yet another bean counter's vision of slicing and dicing in the giant mousetrap of "space for sale".
^ all at a cost to the remainder of the "General Admission population" in so far as ratcheting the sardine can even tighter ... as I'm sure people who paid for club level access will wander downstairs after realizing their "seats" aren't as good as they may have suspected.
Sorry, I'll never accept this as the "program" we all need to accept ... regardless of how I'm "labeled".
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What Bullshit
What Bullshit
Ticket prices vary
Buy what you want or don't go
You seem like one of those guys who say...
What do you mean I can't go there, don't you know who I am!
Response: Without a ticket or a pass, I don't give a shit who you are!
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Ticket sales are actually
Ticket sales are actually pretty poor.
Upper level sold out as they limited it to around 120 people, and yes you have access everywhere except half of The Owners Box if Peter shows up.
You may even be able to go to the front bar without a ticket and listen to the show.
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how bad , did they sell over
how bad , did they sell over a 1000 a nite for friday and saturday
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Great! I hope the shows are
Great! I hope the shows are sparsely populated ..... more room for me
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((( 19.5 )))
((( 19.5 )))
Do you really mean you never bought-in to the upsell shtick, or you never "bought-in" to the upsell shtick?
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>>Ticket sales are actually
>>Ticket sales are actually pretty poor.
It's a crying shame Phil won't play SoCal instead.
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>Ticket sales are actually
>Ticket sales are actually pretty poor.<
i mean how many heads are in vegas? how many want to travel there for phil and kids show?
ps. msg, i FB'd you... re: 2/4 I have 3 tickets 1st row balcony rail for Willie Nelson @ the Venetian if you or anyone is interested...trying for face..
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Lol, the only "bullshit" is
Lol, the only "bullshit" is the what gets spun by the Big Macher's PR savvy relations / connections.
http://observer.com/2016/10/how-the-most-important-promoter-in-ny-ensure...
On one hand, we're all supposed to imagine a carefree hippie who's embraced the "ideology of the 60's"; a torchbearer carrying the spirit forward to present day events ... yet we're confronted with a "pay for comfort" paradigm which rivals the airlines at almost every turn.
Likewise, lol @ your depection of me ... you really DON'T seem to get where I and others are coming from on this. We're not seeking to be on the "greener side" of the fences that have been erected to divide us; not hardly, I'd still hang out on the periphery without any fences, but would readily sense how the spirit would flow more freely / organically.
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I don't know ned, did you
I don't know ned, did you like Marsha or Jan's version better of "Hark, who goes there?".
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>>but would readily sense how
>>but would readily sense how the spirit would flow more freely / organically.
In Vegas on the strip? OK, nature boy.
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What planet are you living on
What planet are you living on?
Have you seen prices for Dead and Co, Rolling Stones, Steely Dan
No, I don't understand your complaint.
You want cheap seats with a general admission, anyone can go any where, right?
When was the last time you saw any major band do that?
And if you haven't noticed, Craft Beer costs more than PBR, what nerve!
John Mayers management is handling Dead and Co, their prices are more than double Phils. And Arenas charge for Parking.
What is your point? What do you want? Go or don't go, the choice is yours. Does someone owe you something?
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Right now looking at 1,200
Right now looking at 1,200 Fri and Sat, 1,000 Sunday
But there will be a walk up day of show.
Usually sell up to 2,500 tix.
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That's a good article in Pete
That's a good article on Pete!
Pay for comfort paradigm? You mean American Capitalism? Something with more value should cost more? Funny how the more expensive tickets sell out first.
So please explain to me as I'm clearly an uneducated pawn of the Bourgeoisie!
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Two good eyes ...
Two good eyes ...
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He's trying to address your
He's trying to address your concerns....you should try to communicate them more clearly. Since he works there, maybe you can move things in the direction you want.
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In Vegas on the strip? OK,
In Vegas on the strip? OK, nature boy.<<<
Even in Vegas, one can still "poke around" ... even with Shappy's additional layer of carnie to muddle through.
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Why don't you stop going
Why don't you stop going there, as BBLV Man suggests?
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He's trying to address your
He's trying to address your concerns....you should try to communicate them more clearly. Since he works there, maybe you can move things in the direction you want.,<<<<
ned, you've clearly woken up on the wrong side of the bed for you to be so engaged in stirring the pot!
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Why don't you stop going
Why don't you stop going there, as BBLV Man suggests?<<<
Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of choice. I don't like to fly at all & I can drive to Vegas within a single day vs. TXR which requires me to spend a night on the way out and the way back.
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Are you talking about a
Are you talking about a choice in seeing Phil Lesh?
It's very apparent you don't like Shapiro. That is your choice.
You do realize that Phil Lesh drives a Ferrari, owns a multi-million dollar house in Marin County and owns/operates a music hall/restaurant?
Shapiro seems to be more like Phil Lesh than you.
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Shapiro seems to be more like
Shapiro seems to be more like Phil Lesh than you.<<<
Clearly, you don't know "who I am" or how I roll.
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Yes, Phil in particular ...
Yes, Phil in particular ... luckily, one doesn't have to go "through" Shappy to see Bobby.
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Bobby charges twice what Phil
Bobby charges twice what Phil charges
Yes, please explain your point as no one seems to get it?
You do know that the Artist sets the price, not the venue?
Kadlick is playing a free show at BBLV
WHAT IS YOUR POINT???
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ned gets my point, he just
ned gets my point, he just doesn't agree ... some do, some don't ... are you sure you can speak for "everyone"?
It's not the total price, it's the pay to play class system being imposed on the scene which I have an issue (as do others).
As someone who never buys VIP, but still spends a shitload of $$$ on shows, I'd happily pay a little more for a GA ticket if it meant all fans have equivalent "credentials" in so far as access to the venue (with the exception of ADA & backstage).
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Phil & Bobby can set whatever
Phil & Bobby can set whatever prices they'd like ... and the market will react accordingly.
Has Phil sliced and diced up the Grate Room @ TXR into "classes"?
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No dog in this fight but I
No dog in this fight but I seem to recall TXR doing VIP and setting up a velvet rope or something in front of the first couple of rows at one point. Maybe during the great hoodie war era?
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Seats at sports games cost
Seats at sports games cost different prices. Same with broadway shows. Shit, there is even different access levels to costco or sams club. There are express lanes in LA that cost more to drive in. What reality do you live in. Buy the level you are comfortable with or dont go. The choice is yours. Shapiro didn't invent level pricing or vip packages at concerts. There were vip packages to the rainforest benefit the GD did at MSG decades ago. Your point is still lost on me. What is it?
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I personally bought the
I personally bought the cheapest ticket to Dead and Co, Black Sabbath and Roger Waters. As long as I'm in I'm good. I'll figure it out when I get there. Always find a great spot to hang. Worry about the stuff that you can change/matters and let the BS roll off your back or your going to live a miserable life!
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Seems to me you're coming
Seems to me you're coming very close to categorizing GD related shows as a "commodity". If that's all it is to you, then I suppose my perspective would be rooted in some "other reality" & I can't blame you for not embracing that which is not grounded in the "financials". Of course Shapiro didn't invent upselling / tiered pricing at concerts, but he's clearly one of the primary players to thrust it upon the GD & "jamband" scene ... effectively creating a "new normal" for those just getting on bus (and what it has "become"). My suspicion is the total number of "vip" (anything) tickets the GD sold over the course of their existence is less then 1/1000th of a percent vs. what amounts a carefully contemplated model which expands and contracts it's tentacles based upon a variety of factors.
Re: your second post: that's basically the same approach I use, but these are the "days between" & I'm on the fence re: Vegas ... mostly because of the venue (and weather to drive) ... so I'm giving myself license to bitch and complain while I have the opportunity.
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So you have still not said
So you have still not said what you want. All "Jam" bands should have low ticket prices and allow everyone to go everywhere and pixie dust for the encore? Explain yourself. You feel that you are owed something by somebody. What does Phil or Bobby or Shapiro owe you? Explain how going to a venue for a show isn't a commodity. What is it? A God given entitlement? All I have ever seen you do is bitch without suggesting a solution or a better way.
Spell it out for this blind man in the dark? I'll be sure to pass it along to Pete and Phil Fri afternoon.
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OK, I'll repeat myself for
OK, I'll repeat myself for you: I'd be happy to pay more for a GA ticket which is not "subsidized" by VIP sales.
Please let me know where have I asked for "low ticket prices and allow everyone to go everywhere"?
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I'd be happy to pay more for
I'd be happy to pay more for a GA ticket which is not "subsidized" by VIP sales.<<
Really? I will happily pay less for a GA ticket subsidized by a custie.
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So you think there should
So you think there should only be one ticket price.
What do you mean by VIP? Thats only a slogan.
All seats the same price, no additional price for a better seat?
Repeating yourself isnt explaining yourself.
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>>>Seems to me you're coming
>>>Seems to me you're coming very close to categorizing GD related shows as a "commodity"<<<
The Grateful Dead were always a commodity.
It was the knucklehead fans who have always tried to make them into something else. Well, except when they were trying their damnedest to sell GD related crap in parking lots across the country.
"We've always tried to be a sell-out, but no one was buying."
Shapiro is succeeding independently in an industry controlled by massive multimillion dollar corporations. That isn't easy, in fact it's almost impossible, but he's doing it and doing it well.
Anyone who believes that can happen without using VIP packages and all the gougy up-sells that have been the tools of the major promotion trade since the days Romans went into the Coliseum to see lions eat Christians is a child or a fool.
Or DAMN smart, and those people should absolutely be getting busy putting on great shows in great venues without all the gougy extras for low prices that are fair and equal for ALL!!!
AND WITH WATER FOUNTAINS!!!!
But until that glorious day I think it's cool that someone is successful going up against the Disneyesque corporate promoters that rule the concert industry in the 21st century with their plastic venues and national tours and are putting on unique, interesting shows in good venues.
Shapiro can be a bit of a bloated clown, but so what? The dude is putting on damn good shows in very good venues and making it work within a MASSIVELY competitive market. Please report if there is anyone else doing it better at his level.
And BTW, the reason why Phil doesn't play in SoCal or anywhere else for that matter is because he retired from the road five years ago and never intended to play anywhere else except his personal little venue ten minutes away from his couch, until Shappy had an idea and the means to make it happen and came to Phil with a unique proposal. A proposal that has worked pretty well to my eyes.
No one else has done that, because no one else DOES that. If it can't compare internationally to U2 or Madonna (or Dead & Co.) no other promoter ever considers it.
If it wasn't for Shapiro Phil would not have played anywhere else but TxR for the past five years. People may or not care about that, but that's the way it is.
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For all the shit Shapiro gets
For all the shit Shapiro gets I sure wish BBLV was around when I lived there for 6 years. Besides Vegoose which failed within three years, the jammier music scene was so bad people had to see shows like dso, cubensis, the maykers, dumpstaphunk, Moe and others at random strip mall bars put on by the las Vegas jamband society. Pretty hurtin'. There was this tall stinky white dready dude who would without fail end up in front of is every time. It was uncanny, always blocking the view and stinking up the general area.
Got to see steel pulse at BBLV a few years ago while visiting for a wedding. Place didn't seem so bad but wasn't full by any means, just the way I like it.
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We seem to have a categorical
We seem to have a categorical difference of opinion on this topic. I'm sorry if I have offended you personally, that was not my intention.
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msg man
msg man
question .its a 730 show do u know what time its expected to actually start thanks
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6:30 Doors Fri and Sat
6:30 Doors Fri and Sat
Suppose to take the Stage at 8:00, but that's Rock n Roll time.
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19.5
19.5
I'm really not trying to fight with you. Just trying to understand.
BBLV isn't perfect, and there are a lot of things beyond my control or done for reasons I may not agree with myself, but everyone who works there really tries to make it a cool place.
And whether you want to believe it or not, Peter really does love the music and is trying to keep the scene alive in the corporate structure that controls the music industry as best as he can. He makes mistakes, nothing is perfect, but he honestly does care and try to do the right thing.
Take it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on!
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>>> Of course Shapiro didn't
>>> Of course Shapiro didn't invent upselling / tiered pricing at concerts, but he's clearly one of the primary players to thrust it upon the GD & "jamband" scene ... effectively creating a "new normal" for those just getting on bus (and what it has "become"). My suspicion is the total number of "vip" (anything) tickets the GD sold over the course of their existence is less then 1/1000th of a percent vs. what amounts a carefully contemplated model which expands and contracts it's tentacles based upon a variety of factors.<<<
Shapiro followed the industry, he didn't lead them into the tiered/VIP thing.
I would guess your suspicion (1/1000%) would be way off. As long as the GD played sheds (outdoor amphitheaters), there was a higher price to be in the seats down low, and cheaper on the lawn. Of course, a Spectrum or Hampton show that was all GA was the complete opposite, and probably what you're looking for. So, call it anywhere from 25-50% of GD shows that had tiered pricing, not 0.001%.
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I realize you're not looking
I realize you're not looking for a fight BBLV Man. Nor am I, or do I feel it's worth a continued heated exchange if we can simply agree to disagree regarding our beliefs as they relate to how (GD related) "shows ought to be promoted". I generally understand the law of supply and demand, so I get what you're saying ... I just don't belief it has to be that way in the GD world ... even in light of the general concert landscape trending in such a direction. Perhaps there'll be a backlash in the future. But you're in Vegas & probably don't need to worry about that too much! For what it's worth, I believe the LVBB is run well for what it is / and in the context of Las Vegas as a locale. I have easily seen over 20 shows there, but like I said, I'm simply not a fan of whole upsell / pay for space formula.
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As long as the GD played
As long as the GD played sheds (outdoor amphitheaters), there was a higher price to be in the seats down low, and cheaper on the lawn<<<<
Are you suggesting reserved seats at sheds are equivalent to VIP seating / access?
What was the price differential between reserved and GA on average for a GD show?
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I believe ned, on the other
I believe ned, on the other hand, is looking to stir the pot :-)
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Tiered and VIP pricing can
Tiered and VIP pricing can have its positive side. It is well known that unsold VIP seats get released at regular price (minus the frills) at a later date. Just gotta be perseverant.
Got seats to Roger Waters in Sept. When tix went on sale, they were full price. A week later, the whole section dropped $100 (from $250), while the section opposite was still full price. Don't think its because they're obstructed view or anything - but its kinda weird. So the guy sitting next to me on my left will be in the full price section, while I'll be in the next price tier down.