Worst Presidential Debate Ever

I definitely had a headache after an hr and 15 mins. Just horrible

yep, one was trying to have a debate

the other, throwing a tantrum because he knows he gonna lose.

I think that the option to mute is a good idea...

what a weird fucking creepy shitbag.

I'm wondering if the VPs will set a better example 

If the next debates are canceled, Trump gets his way. He doesn't want to debate. There has to be a way to ensure that rules are followed.

Biden demonstrated that he isn't sharp or tough enough to take on this monster.  Any one of us could have knocked out that blustering win bag with quick fact checks and prosecutorial zingers.  It also doesn't bode well for the ineviitable dragged out fight between November and January that uncle Joe needs to be up for. 

Watching Biden whiff it all night was almost a embarrassing as the fool Trump made of himself.  Get ready for President Kamala Harris to run the show behind the scenes....Uncle Joe just aint cut for this and needs to find a comfortable retirement home to live out the rest of his days.

How bout we go high tech and for a certain fee, one could press a code on the remote and send a jolt of electricity to the chosen podium?

Pay Per Pew (as in foul smell)

>>> I think that the option to mute is a good idea... <<<

If that happens... 

trump will put it on the moderator and claim unfair, because he'll be poppin' off about random shit whenever

biden speaks.

making it an even bigger shitshow than the first one.

plays right into his hand

> one was trying to have a debate, the other, throwing a tantrum because he knows he gonna lose doesn't want to go to jail

https://store.joebiden.com/will-you-shut-up-man-black-t-shirt/

JR. I disagree 

Yes it was bad.  When he insulted the clown and stooped a tiny bit towards the morons level.  But jfc.  No you would not have done better.  Chill

go full Bernie w your new bestie...

>>If the next debates are canceled, Trump gets his way. He doesn't want to debate. 

It's exactly the opposite. Trump needs these debates because he's losing right now. The debates are his only chance to impress undecided voters. 

 

^He'll spin it as Biden being feeble and afraid, just like they have been saying all along 

>>> It's exactly the opposite. Trump needs these debates because he's losing right now. The debates are his only chance to impress undecided voters. <<<

I disagree, there's not enough undecided to move the needle.

I believe he wants to use his bullhorn to incite a race war, 

which is exactly what he did.

WE NEED JUDGE JUDY

SHE GETS THE EMBARRASSMENTS   AS HUMAN BEINGS TO SHUT UP

WHAT A FUCKING SLOBBERING  ASSHOLE TRUMP IS he would fit Right in with the cast / litigants 

GOD BLESS AMERICA 

Are the Proud Boys the american version of the Trailer Park Boys, but with less humor and more drool?

Trump showed his acting abilities.  Biden needs to partake as an actor more.  He needs to make eye contact and raise eyebrows when ill-truths are stated.

And, he needed to direct Wallace, the moderator, to do his job.  Show how to delegate jobs, Easily.  He should've looked at Wallace when trump interrupts, raise an eyebrow, suggest, "Your job, mr. moderator?"

Obviously.

biden was good in telling the voters it isn't about politician's families;  it is about our families. 

biden was good in mentioning methane.

Biden was calm, patient, but not forward....not dominating, as one needs to be around trump.  

Yep, he needs to be ....better. 

Otherwise, we are truly fucked.  

No one was swayed last night.

Trump has visited "Forest Cities" and they showed him how to keep fires out of California.

WTF is a forest city?

>>> Are the Proud Boys the american version of the Trailer Park Boys, but with less humor and more drool? <<<
 

sure, if they were a non threatening comedy sketch

POC might disagree with ya tho

>>> Yep, he needs to be ....better. 

      Otherwise, we are truly fucked.  <<<
 

nah, the US has pretty much decided who they're voting for

the debates don't mean shit except to the guy on the bully pulpit

people just need to vote for the lesser of 2 evils

because if you don't, history won't forget

he's right....no fires in sight

Biden fell right into trumps trap last night but he won't know until the next poll how much he got hurt by it. If he drops 1 or two pts in the Midwest and or PA then the next debate will be desperation time. 

Who manages federal forests?
 

whoever it is, is not sweeping the dirt, do as I say not as I do 

>>> the next debate will be desperation time. <<<

maybe for your addled talking points, paintchips

but you don't count.

if you don't vote

you don't count

Mar-a-Lago is Trump's idea of a Fo Rest city. I don't think they've ever had a fire there.

We get it, Timpane, you want Biden to be hurt by it. So does the Trump camp.

Would anyone have done better? I highly doubt it. Biden weathered that shitshow better than most.

Although you don't see it, you are a literal pawn in Trump's game. He wants people to questions d judge  Biden in the way you are. Like I said, the dude did better than most would have. It would  be pretty ducking sad if Biden loses votes because a White Nationalists loviing POS was a bully and a dick.

> Although you don't see it, you are a literal pawn in Trump's game

I'm not convinced Timpane doesn't see it.

Trumpane watched the debate on his broken phone

Found Brys twitter feed... he is far more honest 

all the bernie bros can do now is mash their teeth and hope Biden loses so they can do the old told you so...."I told you. Bernie would have beat Trump but the MSN and neo-liberals rigged the primaries".  

During the 98-minute debate, there was an interruption every minute, according to an analysis by The Fix’s Aaron Blake. Trump was responsible for 71 of them, Biden 22.

Mute button  on the way.   This should be fun

https://apple.news/A1V_ENyLBQgKdF4_tix3zYg

After a chaotic and nearly unwatchable first presidential debate that devolved into interruptions and insults, mostly by Trump, the Commission on Presidential Debates said it would look into changing the format of the remaining debates.

The televised debates are supposed to be “for the benefit of the American electorate,” the commission said in a statement Wednesday, implying that Tuesday night’s unruly slugfest did not achieve that goal.

“Last night’s debate made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues. The CPD will be carefully considering the changes that it will adopt and will announce those measures shortly,” the statement continued.

a light on each podium

lights up when you interrupt 

5 seconds later it blinks a 10 second warning

10 seconds later ( 15 total),  the offending mike is cut off off and the light turns red 

---there is also a counter tallying how many times you violate rules 

---perhaps the moderator can keep score how many times the candidate does not answer a question - tell canditate they did not answer, and project the tally ( powerful for me )   "federal" taxes, not toilet paper dumb don

if there are a lot of violations, have a timer deduct from the offending candidates available time slots = (have on scoreboard?) = display to candidates and audience

force the candidates to stay on the topic for that segment -   after a waning -- also cut them off

judge judy would master that shit either way

hell fact checking might be rea time as well

the shot clock and buzzer, as well as time of possession numbers even

That doesn't really make any sense, Thod. How would it be desperation time for me? I live in nj so no my vote does not count. If you don't live in PA, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, nc, or Florida then your vote is as useless as mine. I really don't care who wins this election. Last night was an utter embarrassment 

A "national humiliation," said the Guardian in the U.K. "Cacophonique," the Franceinfo news organization opined. The German public broadcaster DW assessed things far more bluntly. And Israel's leading TV anchor tweeted "condolences to America," writing, "It is hard to stoop lower than this."

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918764741/is-this-american-style-civiliza...

Sure, the reviews are bad, but how were the numbers for the debate? That's all Trump cares about.

Maybe I'm just a Francophile, but I loved this one word review: Cacophonique.

10 million watched and the polls showed Biden won overwhelmingly. Also Bidens favorablitiy went up and Trumps went down. As one of the focus group panelists for that Frank Luntz ran said. Trump looked like a crack head I'm going to vote for Biden. 

Where did the name paint chips come from ?

you who "doesn't really care who wins the election"

Did  You really just say that. Wow!   Sad ass shit.  

But that had kinda been your Schtick or hidden agenda...   Oh well, to each their own, confused or not.

Trump is better than Biden.  Check

> Where did the name paint chips come from ?

Eating lead paint chips can lead to brain damage, especially in children.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/lead-poisoning/symptoms-c...

Nice Ewok reference, Ken....my thoughts on Forest Cities too.

I was disgusted, but thought Biden probably handled it fine.

Why?  Because the shitgibbon was trying to get Joe pissed, and it didn't work.

I was sad Parscale didn't come up.

Still 5 weeks, that dude MUST know about some campaign finance "issues"

Dump brings out the worst in everything he is involved in. Plain and simple. He needs to be kicked in the balls by a scared, rabid Clydesdale, strapped to an ICBM, doused with kerosene and diarrhea and set on fire upon lift off. All televised, of course.

chump needs a shock collar. I would pay huge amounts to see that.   About a thousand KW should do it.

It's kinda fun to speculate about complex solutions that require the application of advanced technology, but really Trump's head on a pike in a public square would work just fine for me.

Looking forward to a constitutionalist enthusiast to save humanity from this disease of a human.   

Joe not sloppy 

Dump brings out the worst in everything he is involved in. Plain and simple. He needs to be kicked in the balls by a scared, rabid Clydesdale, strapped to an ICBM, doused with kerosene and diarrhea and set on fire upon lift off. All televised, of course.

perhaps not humiliating enough  with that asshole and his supporters karma

 Namaste

 Bernie reality deniers  might deserve a little  

Something....

get a grip folks 

That's right, the Presidential elsection is completely out of my control so why would I be concerned about who wins? I live in a state th at will vote blue no matter what and the richest asswipes in the world will get the old white bag of bones they want no matter what. I don't care anymore. This is a show that entertains me. It is aggravating at times but all just a big chirade that is merely being played out on a stage of imbecility and disrespect. 

You don't care so much that you can't stop posting and embarrassing yourself 

don't vote don't post

fine then STFU. POOR little VICTIM with no conscience lol 

Nice melt. It's a public forum, guy. Maybe try not to get bent out over shape over people you don't even know. 
 

Im no victim and I'm not embarrassed. Doing quite fine, actually. I hope you're psychosis gets better.

Someone posted that Canada must feel like they are living upstairs from a meth lab.   

i think the only embarrassment going on is lltd. haha. dude is unhinged! 

<<<>>>

if you don't vote

you don't count 

<<<>>>>
 

tell that to the 100m disenfranchised able voters who don't vote. 

this country is for neolibs and neocons only! 

very stupid. 

really what you want to say is if you don't vote for my corporate candidate, you don't ever get to complain, have an opinion, etc. if you win. 

if you lose, it's bernie's fault and fuck you for voting (green, whatever, etc., just not for the duopoly) and you support fascism.

except you supported and pushed others to support (like many here at centrist zone) the status quo, destroying our only chance to change the government to represent the people and not the mega corporations and special interest groups. 

you fought that.

in 2020. 

against a neo-fascist.

and now you're banging your chest about equality, and blm, and racially equality, and and and and.

liberals like you are the worst. 

>>> really what you want to say is if you don't vote for my corporate candidate, you don't ever get to complain. <<<

not even close

let me be real clear here

if you don't understand the difference in this election from any election in history...

you're one dumb motherfucker

and if you sit it out,

you're trash

dig?

so who you voting for?
 

green party. 

now what? 

Pyramid speaks truth. Nice work, Pyramid.

thanks, javs. 

and you too man. strong work all around, sir. 

But really, the comment "if you don't vote, you can't post on this thread" has got to be a finalist for the stupidest thing ever said on the Zone. I mean, really....

>>> green party. 

       now what? <<<

in this moment in history, you're deciding to sit it out

strong work, sir

you know this hasn't worked out well for you

but still, you persisted

smh

Let's not assume that the 100 million non-voters are all disenfranchised. A large percent is unable to vote because of voter suppression (felonies, no ID, etc). A really big chunk just doesn't give a fuck. That's hardly disenfranchisement. And yes, some are simply disenfranchised. A dire lack of education in this nation is very problematic. 

Low voter turnout is an immense problem that needs to be solved. To do that we must first understand the varied causes, and not lump it all in to one category.

I've voted Green in many presidential elections, and will do so again. Not in this one, though. I'm down for my vote to say "fuck you" to that dirtbag in office.

thod my post from 8:49am about you still stands. 

that hurt man, lol

jfc, get a grip

just stating a fact. not trying to hurt you. 

you say if you're not voting for the corporate politician, then you are sitting it out and don't count. 

you're the worst kind of liberal man. 

waaahhhh waaaaaahhhhh someone does not agree with me and isnt voting how i want waaaaaaah boooo hooooo im a little bitch can someone come help me dry by bitch tears waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

Lol, Daylight, you could very well be talking about a bunch of progressives on Viva in the months leading up to the primary.

>>> waaahhhh waaaaaahhhhh someone does not agree with me and isnt voting how i want waaaaaaah boooo hooooo im a little bitch can someone come help me dry by bitch tears waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh <<<

Ikr, P-heat just doesn't get it

everything's at stake

and going to sit it out.

just plain fuckin' dumb

BK, the whole "if you don't vote you cant/don't/shouldn't" argument is so tired and trite. I can totally see what Daylight is saying and Pyramid. Why do people want to shut down debate? Why shut down others ideas with empty tautologies?

Either get in the ring and debate that shit, or get the fuck out and don't. Or make funny and weird comments (cus its the zone). But don't come out with "You can't play here because I don't like what you do". That's some playground bullshit.

"everything's at stake"

Only in your mind...

all show you stocking

I was just saying, Javs, the phenomenon isn't unique to side a or side b. People on both sides have histories of berating others for who they are or aren't voting for. Honest "political debate" has been the rarity.

I was just saying, Javs, the phenomenon isn't unique to side a or side b. People on both sides have histories of berating others for who they are or aren't voting for. Honest "political debate" has been the rarity.

I was just saying, Javs, the phenomenon isn't unique to side a or side b. People on both sides have histories of berating others for who they are or aren't voting for. 

Thods the kind of person who drives people away from voting.

Totes

>>> Thods the kind of person who drives people away from voting. <<<
 

you give me too much credit timbo.

my off putting remarks toward non voters, really don't mean that much.

you know that tho, lol

Back on topic

In the words of Dana Bash , from the other propaganda ratings television network, ' It was a shitshow."

Appropriate time for canned farts sound tracks when time is up or interruptions occure.

Like the sports programmers canned fans.

I am a door with a malfunctioning hinge ---I do love how much you love me heater

That was mainly for tim in pain, if you identify and take umbrage as well, fine

 It's OK to not vote for someone you can't stomach  I get it     More power to you 

Or if you think the two candidates in the election are equal that is your prerogative

My position   As an independent.  Is that the popular vote count does matter. ESP with what's his face Rattling his sabers that he will not accept being thrown out of office  going to the Supreme Court yadda yadda    So losing the popular vote by 5 million does matter

it is a free country, and I will vote for Biden as I feel it my moral obligation 

sour grapes (and insults) and endless repetitive comments are your 

right as well    For some it may be annoying (it is for me tbh)

ssi what is your favorite pie?

I don't get much TV here,  but heard about the Debate,  and staged a Farm-Debate here on the Farm.

So one pile of dog-poop arguing with another pile of dog-poop;  but then it rained.

If it hadn't rained,  I might have collected Raccoon poop to have a Third-Party opinion.

I still have Tons of Faith in the Raccoon Party.  They are tough,  reproductive,  and have our Best Interests in mind.

Or if you think the two candidates in the election are equal that is your prerogative

i dont think hardly anyone is literally trying to say they are the same, the idea is that the ideology and corruption that people like biden, clinton, mcconell, the bushes etc etc etc represents is the broken system that gave us donald trump. if we had honest politicians that genuinely had the best interests of the american people in mind, we would have voted for them instead of trump, instead of most of our senators and congresspeople and could be in a much better place right now...and one of the main impediments to doing that is the "we cant risk it" attitudes that may well be more true today than ever before, but none the less is how we got here.

donald trump is not the same as joe biden, but voting for joe biden is voting to continue the system that gave us donald trump...so joe biden wins, maybe does some good things, probably does some not so good things, and in all likelihood leans into the corrupt milquetoast DNC party line for the next 4 years - then what? donald trump could still run again. many people seriously want donald jr to run. there is already a groundswell of support behind a tucker carlson canidacy. many of the big name republicans at the moment are firmly in the trump camp, rand paul, matt gaetz, etc etc...there are like 2 big name republicans that could run who are firmly in the trump camp or corrupted beyond recognition - dan crenshaw and mitt romney...and either of them running in 2024 is unlikely. 

its a vote for a continuation of the system that gave us trump, and WILL give us the next donald trump if people cant stop being so goddamn gullible and short sighted. sure, there's nothing we can do now. the choice is trump or biden, there are no reasonable third party candidates. the united states of america made its bed on super tuesday and we are now sleeping in that bed. there were so many candidates to choose from - if you want a left wing warrior, you had sanders, if you wanted more grounded left wing ideas with economic focus, you had warren. if you wanted someone with more innovative ideas, you had yang. if you wanted someone with a more libertarian and/or anti war approach, you had gabbard. if you wanted to continue the standard DNC playbook, you had mayor pete or klobu-whatever. the democratic electorate chose literally one of the worst options we had, and many people chose it because they thought he would be the "safe" option to beat trump.

its an endless cycle of picking the "safe" candidate who marginally aligns with your views on token social issues, while the corruption endemic to the pool of "safe" candidates from either party is creating the very swamp that drives us to choose the "safe" candidate in the face of an ever worsening economic system and social structure increasingly threatened by more and more extreme threats from a populist right that aligns itself with anyone who will back them no matter the cost.

Stu. Best farm post in a while.  Thumbs up

make this year stop soon

Nice post, Stu, but what about the frogs? 

LLTD --

In actual Farm reality,  a Raccoon has moved into one of the Barns,  and it's a concern. 

But they are Tough critters. 

Nobody pays them,  and they don't collect Tax.

Damn benway 

You certainly do you write well, and think faster and type faster than I do     well way faster because I'm usually on my phone

Very clear cogent and persuasive arguments / discussion points

hard to answer and implies a revolution or period of great upheaval. Yes with great costs including many many lives

big picture I don't know.  I do think that this country is so so so far from that 

incrementally we might elect far more righteous humans to office) Not politicians (

a long long rocky road, hard to be at all optimistic 

play by the rules as they exist?   Don't know 

God bless us all   Bless is with good food and music at least 

Why would I allow the Debate Commission to change the rules for the second and third Debates when I easily won last time?

-Donald Trump

First post debate poll Biden +13

https://apple.news/AOmd9GZkEToyi10-R5cO2pg

It is silly as no one will be changing their mind from watching the debate

 I have no idea why I keep screaming at the TV  does not help ...,it is just theater of  the absurd 

I'm not a person that slows down At car wrecks on the freeway

A fascinating social experiment   And yes embarrassing    And very sad 

Another fantastic job of delineating the problem with the system, Daylight. I'm not sure, though, if a couple of hundred thousand (or even a few million) not voting in protest is going to solve anything.

I've said it 100 times here: we make changes to our system by electing lawmakers who aren't stooges. They can then do the job of being a check and balance on dipshit presidents. And then one of them can maybe make a viable run for president, hopefully before they get eaten up by the system.

Until to then, though, vote for whomever you want for POTUS. Just vote. Sitting it out is a pretty lame form of civil disobedience.

2% of respondents said the debate changed their vote, versus 98% who said it didn’t. National CNBC/Change Research:

73 M watched the debate so 2% of that would be 1.4 M people changed their mind. We have only had one national poll since the debate and that has Biden at +13%. Could be an outlier, but I would bet big that the debate turned a lot of Trump supporters off. 73M people don't watch the news regularly and they aren't used to watching him for 90 minutes. Some of my liberal friends who haven't watched him in three years were completely traumatized. 

>> donald trump is not the same as joe biden, but voting for joe biden is voting to continue the system that gave us donald trump...so joe biden wins, maybe does some good things, probably does some not so good things, and in all likelihood leans into the corrupt milquetoast DNC party line for the next 4 years - then what?

Man, the planet is cooking and only Biden believes in the science of climate change and is going to do anything about it. This detached "the system is all broken" attitude passed its expiration date like 20 years ago. We can't sit around musing anymore about how everything kind of sucks when California is having the worst wildfires in history, we're past the end of the alphabet in naming tropical storms, and we're having one hottest year ever after another. We have to keep pushing toward an economy that's really equitable and not stacked for the rich and the corporations, but the time for whining about how the whole system sucks is over.

>> the democratic electorate chose literally one of the worst options we had, and many people chose it because they thought he would be the "safe" option to beat trump.

Also this take sucks because it's pretty much saying Black voters in SC screwed you by voting for Biden, but Black voters and particularly Black women have been the base of the Democratic Party for a long time and absolutely should have a strong say in who its presidential nominee will be

Meanwhile Biden has healthy leads in the national polls and in most of the key swing states and has run a pretty solid general election campaign, so, maybe choosing the safest option to beat Trump was a good move. Get him out, get Democrats the Senate, then we push like hell to get real reforms. It's really the only option.

maybe we could have magic unicorns change the whole system for us.

Absent that fantasy, you vote for the D or the R.

And if you don't vote for the D, you support the R.

Math is hard, but simple.

trump knows math too drinking water

trump is only running against democracy,,,,,,,

Trump’s fear of Biden

There is a theme that has run through President Trump’s entire re-election campaign: He is afraid that he cannot beat Joe Biden.

It explains his extraordinary efforts last year to prevent Biden from becoming the nominee. And it explains his more recent efforts to discredit the election. Rather than running against Biden, Trump now seems to be running against democracy itself.

I think it’s useful to think of the 2020 Trump campaign in three distinct stages. The first was during the run-up to the Democratic primaries, when Trump used the powers of the presidency to pressure at least one foreign country, Ukraine, to smear Biden (an effort that led to impeachment). Trump took no similar steps to damage Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris.

Why? Trump often acts on instinct, and he may have done so in this case. But he is also a voracious consumer of polls, and polls consistently showed him faring worse in a hypothetical matchup against Biden than against any other Democrat.

The second stage began after Biden clinched the nomination, and Trump doubled down on efforts to damage him. He portrayed Biden as a corrupt old politician, not so different from Hillary Clinton, or a closet socialist.

It hasn’t worked. Biden’s lead over Trump has remained stable.

By The New York Times | Source: Real Clear Politics

That has led to the third stage: Try to prevent a normal election.

Trump, with help from other leading Republicans, has increased his efforts to make it difficult to vote. His campaign has filed lawsuits in North Carolina, Pennsylvania and elsewhere to restrict voting by mail. (The Times Magazine has a new investigation on this subject, including Mike Pence’s role.)

In recent weeks, Trump also began what seems like an obvious attempt at voter intimidation, encouraging his supporters to show up at polling places, purportedly to prevent voter fraud, which almost never occurs. Donald Trump Jr. has released a video calling for an “army for Trump’s election security operation.”

Tuesday’s debate was the apex of the strategy, at least for now. Trump refused to allow a normal debate, constantly interrupting Biden. For voters, the result was a chaotic jumble. For Trump, it was one more attempt to undermine the normal functioning of democracy.

There is still more than a month until Election Day — an eternity in politics. At this point, though, the picture from the last year and a half is remarkably consistent.

Trump seems to believe he would lose a normal election to Biden. But in an abnormal election, with low turnout and protracted fights over ballot eligibility, who knows what will happen? And if Trump does lose, he is laying the groundwork to make the false claim that the election was rigged.

As my colleague Maggie Haberman put it yesterday, “People close to him are blunt that the president knows he’s losing and is scared of it.”

detailed post debate poll data

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/presidential-polls-trump-biden?campaig...

Also this take sucks because it's pretty much saying Black voters in SC screwed you by voting for Biden, but Black voters and particularly Black women have been the base of the Democratic Party for a long time and absolutely should have a strong say in who its presidential nominee will be

sure, im not saying we should override what the voters chose and install someone else, i just think the voters made the wrong choice. i dont know what anyones place of residence, race, or gender has to do with bidens competency. i think all voters regardless of place of residence, race or gender that chose biden over other more competent candidates screwed all of us over. in fact i would put most of the blame on pre-super tuesday states like south carolina since that is when we still had a variety of candidates to choose from - after super tuesday if you thought bernie and warren were to far left and did not like tulsi, your only choice was biden.

im glad folks are hopeful that biden will help to usher in real reforms and real action on climate change, but i dont see any evidence in his political record that he will enact changes on the scale required. id guess he will make and champion changes and reforms in positive directions that are none-the-less woefully inadequate, like he did as VP with obama and as he has done for decades in the senate. if joe wanted real change, he's had 47 years to make it. if joe wanted real action against corruption, hunter biden would not be a millionaire - but guess what?

*cue sad trumpet noises

life on murder mountain is tough

isolation is normal

>> in fact i would put most of the blame on pre-super tuesday states like south carolina since that is when we still had a variety of candidates to choose from - after super tuesday if you thought bernie and warren were to far left and did not like tulsi, your only choice was biden.

Not sure what you're trying to say? Biden's campaign took off after SC, where a high proportion of the Democratic primary electorate is Black.

>> if joe wanted real change, he's had 47 years to make it.

Come on, these are Republican talking points. No one is pretending that Biden is or has ever been Mr. Radical Progressive, except for Trump, maybe. The point is that he has the most progressive platform of any major party presidential nominee in history, and progressives are more than ready to vote him in and then fight to hold him to the platform and more.

I was sort of betting on one pile of Dog Poop over the other,  but then it rained,  and because of the Rain,  I didn't bring in the Third Party Candidate, Raccoon Poop.

While I realize that some people will say "Raccoon Poop has no Chance in the Election",  in fact,  Raccoon Poop is the smartest and Best Candidate.

 Vote in the next primary chief 

My view / opinion  is that some of you folks are pretty tightly wound as the world isn't as liberal/  "socialist" as you would like

And you are consistently expressing your views and at times denigrating others that have a different view or approach (I too at times display similar behaviors)

as we are passionate it can get sticky when some are condescending while defending or arguing for their point of view  arrogance is not an attractive behavior

Not sure what you're trying to say? Biden's campaign took off after SC, where a high proportion of the Democratic primary electorate is Black.

right before super tuesday, pete and amy both dropped out, and right after the SC primaries steyer dropped out, so from super tuesday onwards the only options left were bernie, warren, tulsi and biden - so essentially if you wanted a moderate democrat, biden was your only option. i dont fault people for having a more moderate worldview or not wanting to vote for bernie, im faulting people for choosing biden over a vast array of obviously superior candidates, many of whom also support very similar moderate democrat type policies. before super tuesday, including the SC primaries, voters could have supported significant change in warren, yang, sanders and tulsi, or they could have supported a more traditional democrat ticket in obviously more competent candidates like amy or pete.

its widely acknowledged even by longtime biden supporters that his campaign took off not only after his win in SC, but after the mass dropping out of almost all the other candidates that could be seen as alternatives to sanders.

so i am saying that all pre super tuesday states had a vast array of qualified candidates that represented all major viewpoints present in the democratic electorate, and they chose one of the worst candidates, whereas people who did not want to go with a sanders or warren ticket on super tuesday and after super tuesday, had only biden to vote for, meaning that, yes, i think the choice made by the democratic electorate was wrong. in a way i do find fault with the choice to support biden over sanders, warren or tulsi, but at the same time i dont realistically expect more moderate dems to vote for them.

i still dont know why the proportion of black voters in SC, or race in general, is relevant at all...i understand that a large amount of dem voters in SC are black, it was a huge talking point leading up to the primary in addition to the all important clyburn endorsement...im just still not understanding what the ethnicity of voters in SC has to do with my view that voters made the wrong choice in going with biden?