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BMFS dropped encores. You ok with that?
I recall Garcia stating the concept seems silly to him and is an "old-school performance tradition."
I'm fine without one. Having said that, I've seen plenty that boosted the night one way or another.
Feel free to list an encore that was memorable to you? Obviously there are many angles: rarity, energy, and on and on...
The return of Darkstar at the Greek 1984. It wasn't anything far out; it was tight and short, which in itself was a rarity.
Shakedown as a tight, no-extended encore 7/1/79 was cool.
Many more for me, but what you got?
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Raceway Park, Englishtown, NJ
Raceway Park, Englishtown, NJ (9/3/77) Terrapin
Boston Music Mall, Boston, MA (12/2/73) Morning Dew
Both were swell shoe's. Kicked up a notch (or three) by the encores (listed above).
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Encore performances should be
Encore performances should be earned
and not expected
goes for performers and audiences alike
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance HTT Newberry
Encores may be a silly "show
Encores may be a silly "show biz" game, but they're also an important part of the rhythm and dynamic of a musical performance. It defines a clear end to a main set of music without the show being over. It allows for a feeling of closure, a rise in crowd energy and a pause... not an ending, before an act can come back out and take a different, more relaxed and often surprising direction.
A second encore is the one that shouldn't be just shtick and automatic, but truly earned.
As for personal favorites over the years, there are far too many good ones from many different bands to list, but one Grateful Dead encore that comes to mind from a nice surprise, nice performance standpoint is 4/30/88 at the Frost in Palo Alto.
The show wasn't bad but was mostly just meh, so it really got my attention when they came out with a nice, relaxed China/Rider and then a rockin' One More Saturday Night to close it out.
That encore is one of my best & favorite memories of the late '80s era.
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"Raceway Park, Englishtown,
"Raceway Park, Englishtown, NJ (9/3/77) Terrapin" I remember that one. Weir brought out his double-neck guitar... only played one neck. Impressive ending nonetheless.
I'm with ya, BSS; expected seems presumptuous. How about fitting? To Lance's point, you don't know if it made sense till they play it. Nothing wrong with tradition either. More than a few times it was clear the crowd didn't know what to do or think when there was no encore. Expectations can lead to disappointment.
No doubt an encore can be a sweet bonus in a variety of ways.
Then there is the other side of it. I recall 3/24/86, I believe. One post-drums song, Morning Dew, that's all, folks. It felt like there was nothing left to say to me. Like underlining the Dew.
Energy field matters... I saw several off-the-charts " Don't Ease Me In's over the years. Super tight, sharp and charged! Those were like an after-dinner mint.
But I'm still ok with BS dropping it. Suspect it will return at times if he's moved. Love to hear why he made the change.
Now I have to revisit DeadBase, haha.
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Agree with BSS. The
Agree with BSS. The standardization feels mechanical and less special. That said, I didn't realize this was the case and tried to get a head start after the last song on Saturday only to be moving with the masses.
I just figured there was a local curfew and he was maxing the time available. Given the drone show and fireworks, I bet everyone was on a tight schedule.
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At the last GD shoe at the
During the last GD shoe at the Fillmore East (4/29/71) Bill Graham (after the first encore "Uncle John's Band") chided the crowd for demanding "more," noting that even though the band had already played an immensely long set, they didn't care and wanted them to keep playing anyway. That night the Dead played a second encore; In the Midnight Hour & We Bid You Goodnight.
Some musicians will play and "encore" of 4 (or more) songs, then a second encore after that. I agree that a band should only play an encore if the fans really want one. That said, most groups pre plan an encore or 2, and stick to the (pre planned) script. In 1973 there were Dead shoes where the band did not play an encore (example: 7/31/71) but that was an exception not a general rule. One other note about 7/31/73; The band played a 15 song first set followed by an 11 song second set.
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If I just put in a full days
If I just put in a full days work and my performance was good or great, why would I want to do more work? Those BMFS shows are amazing performances. No encore needed.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
I'm indifferent.
There was Ripple...9.3.1988. People seemed pretty happy about that one
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>>>>>Weir brought out his
>>>>>Weir brought out his double-neck guitar
Didn't know the Bobster ever played a double neck. Any other info? Brand/model? Other times played? Pics?
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When was the last encore
When was the last encore Billy did? The night he busted his leg just before the encore?
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Not sure if this is the
Not sure if this is the guitar Bob played during Englishtown encore, but I'll post the pic anyways:
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Not sure if this is the
No double neck here
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^ That's it! Cool. Thx
^ That's it! Cool. Thx Mikeedw!
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I'm pretty sure Billy is
I'm pretty sure Billy is rationing out time on his feet and once he ditches the chair and crutches he'll likely bring back encores. I don't really mind the longer second set w/o the encore. If the encores were reserved for special FTP/bustouts I'd probably want them back.
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melvin hates encores
melvin hates encores
but i gotta go prince. i mean you get like multiple mini post sets. incredible.
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my most memorable encore was
my most memorable encore was probably JRAD at 1st bank in colorado - longer than usual but more or less standard encore of OMSN>NFA, then they came back out, played ripple, joe said "and now for something completely different", and they kicked on EVERY light in the house and played born to run. overall the best JRAD show ive been to and the best sets of GD music ive ever seen without any of the actual members involved, particularly let it grow thru throwing stones in the first set and morfbeats/space thru half-step in the second.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvMwumK0qwY
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March 20, 1986, Hampton
March 20, 1986, Hampton Coliseum:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FAL5iBOD3q0&list=RDFAL5iBOD3q0&start_radio...
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> I'm pretty sure Billy is
> I'm pretty sure Billy is rationing out time on his feet.
He was gimping around noticeably at times :/ Sure hope he is taking care of it.
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Love that box video.
Love that box video.
Phil is enjoying the moment tremendously.
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< Bill Graham (after the
< Bill Graham (after the first encore "Uncle John's Band") chided the crowd for demanding "more"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p02TZePV6AM&t=12610s
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Daylight -- I was at that
Daylight -- I was at that JRAD show -- what a memorable performance that was!
Doug & Kathy (RIP) had pulled me into the rail area for most of the show... and I clearly remember the elated feeling in the space at the end of it all.
I was also at their show the night prior at Cervantes -- walked out of that to 6" of snow on the streets.
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End on a high note or roll
End on a high note or roll with it when you're hot?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: It's me Dave open up!
Early GD memory, Brent's
Early GD memory, Brent's first show was my 3rd, April 22,1979, at Spartan Stadium, San Jose State. So, it was all pretty new to me at that point. US Blues encore, followed by Shakedown. I remember bopping back to the car with that Shakedown in my head. We were not fans of disco at that point, unaware of the "Disco Dead" criticism. Enjoyed the song at the time, and it stuck with me after the show.
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i recently saw JRAD and after
i recently saw JRAD and after the long second set suite of music ended, Russo said ' i am not getting up, walking offstage and coming back in 2 mins to do an encore - this is the last song - enjoy '
we were fine with Billy ditching the encores...gave him that much more time to play the last song
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My first Dead show had no
My first Dead show had no encore and when this thread came up the only one that really stood out was the 88 Ripple that a lot of people missed because it was a double encore after OMSN. I'm fine with no encore.
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Remembered that 86 Hampton
Remembered that 86 Hampton Box ended the 1st Set after Althea. Derp.
i barely caught the Ripple as I literally had one foot out the door.when the roar of the crowd.drew me back. That was some kid's Make-A-Wish Foundation request.
There was an Alpine show in '88 where Bobby sang Blackbird.
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Meh
Meh
If they don't do a donor rap at the end it's not a real show to me
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I saw a couple heart felt
I saw a couple heart felt Satisfactions as encores to end less than inspired shows. Always left me thinking, "me too."