Yet another reason I don't "fly" very much these days

No one wants to see you in yoga pants. tf!

Can we add pajama pants to the list?

Strongly agree that there should be a dress code for flying.

People dress like they're settling in for a marathon TV and Cheeto session when they fly these days. Have some goddamn dignity and self-awareness and stop schlubbing up the skies. We're subjected to your slobbish attire in the supermarket, our workplaces, parks, beaches, restaurants, etc. How about at least trying when you're experiencing the miracle of flight?

The girls were flying on an employee's courtesy pass which is an extremely discounted ticket, practically free. In order to fly on a pass you must agree to conform to the strict employee dress code, or you will be denied at the gate. Even kids have to dress business casual on most airlines flying on a pass, boys and girls.

If they had bought their own tickets at the regular non employee rate they could dress however they pleased.

Those people were flying on a discounted fare because they were related to people who work at the airline. If you are flying under those circumstances the airline has a dress code. The people flying weren't abiding by it so they weren't let on. I'm not sure what the problem is. 

And I have flown a bunch and have never had the airline pit us passengers against each other. Wtf are you talking about. Are you flying """"""Thunderdome Express""""""??

Whoa

The poorly attired should be made to sit below deck in the cargo hold.

I wear a wetsuit just in case of a water landing. I hate being cold. 

I agree with Mark.  Also, the article you posted is talking about employees and people traveling on employee passes.  Not a regular ticket holder.  I've flown a lot, and can remember when people would try to look presentable to fly.

 Nowadays people show up to fly with braided goatees, wearing basketball shorts, slippers and mustard stained t shirts 

I think a wetsuit underneath a tuxedo should be the required dress code for men on all international flights.

I saw some wook on a flight get a bunch of shit because his dreads were out of control.

Stupid wook.

>> Also, the article you posted is talking about employees and people traveling on employee passes.  Not a regular ticket holder.  <<

19.5 is all about oppression. He stopped reading at the headline. 

Because they have the option to buy a full price pass if they feel like dressing like they just left the trailer park. It's pretty cut and dried. If you want a massive courtesy discount, you adhere to the required dress code.

lol Timmy. I almost ended my post with, "sorry fog"

Out of respect for the other passengers, perhaps?

Frankly, I would alert the Department of Homeland Security and request an air marshall detain and execute anybody wearing sweatpants on a flight. 

Wearing sweatpants in public is a form of terrorism. 

>>>Is it ever readily apparent who is flying on a "guest pass"

I can get this one. 

Yes. It's apparent to the people working at the gate, whose job it is to keep an eye out for this. 

Orangeone on Mars

"At will". Look it up.

Because they have the option to buy a full price pass if they feel like dressing like they just left the trailer park on their day off if that's what they want to do. 

No one's forcing them to travel for practically free on the airline's dime.

THe rules are the rules. Some people may not want to see others wearing leggings or sweats, but for the most part they have to live with it. However, these were discounted passes that have their own rules. They have to be followed.

On the other hand, one the violators was 10 or 11 years old.

This became a PR nightmare for United.

There's a 50's themed diner near me that makes their employees dress like old timey soda jerks. They all look so miserable it makes me sad.

I'll support the business that has their employees dressed like they are working. I don't want my airline employees in jorts and leather vests because it makes them feel "comfortable". 

Not if the little leggings-wearing brat is pulled from the flight and thrown into Guantanamo, where she belongs.

Problem solved.

Ask any airline employee if they'd rather buy a full price ticket for their kids instead of respecting the dress code for a nearly free ticket, FOM. 

>>>There's a 50's themed diner near me that makes their employees dress like old timey soda jerks. They all look so miserable it makes me sad

Is there a sign over the drinking fountain that says 'Whites Only'?

The Guantanamo thing for the ten year old seems kind of harsh but agreed otherwise. 

I think if you're an employee who flies for free they call you a "deadhead", by the way. I always thought a Jefferson airplane reference would have been better but what do I know. 

I don't "care" about this "issue" but I'm posting here anyway to "let you know"

This is a "distraction" from what "really matters" 

Does Nups still "fly" very much these days, I "wonder"?

>>>>>Is there a sign over the drinking fountain that says 'Whites Only'?

No, it's pretty much a given

Huh? Can you rephrase that reply, FOM?

im with mark, and ned on this,,,   timmy has a point and i also side with dise..

So you don't fly very much because of employee dress codes?

What are you "wearing" right now?

>>>The Guantanamo thing for the ten year old seems kind of harsh

Well, I didn't say she should be waterboarded; just indefinitely detained without access to a lawyer or a hearing.

Freedom isn't free, my friend.

Thanks, FOM.

As someone who has an employee family pass I don't like the dress code much, but I love being seated in first class for practically free. The nicer you dress the better your odds are the gate agent will assign you to first class.

Let's add this to the list of noble efforts by 19.5 to fight oppression:

- FREE access to water coolers at LVBB (instead of having to walk 20' to the water fountains).

- Concert go-ers blocking his FREE access to Town Park while they paid for concert(!)

- The State of Colorado granting MJ licenses to a handful of money-grubbing corporate elitists (didn't happen).

- Long John Silvers employees having to wear a uniform

>>>>Why is United Airlines bothering with what might amount to a visual "nuisance", while at the same time allowing passengers to wear gobs of perfume or cologne that might literally be too much for a neighboring passenger to tolerate?

Who said the same employee conduct standards that prohibits prohibits them from wearing stretch pants doesn't also prohibit obnoxious perfumes or colognes too?

It's not about "nuisance" it's about making the airline look good to paying passengers as opposed to employees relatives making the cabin look like Greyhound in the sky. Employees in turn get a huge discount by complying to a simple dress code. How do you not get this? 

CHANGE STRAIN STAT

The regular paying customers can look like a hee haw convention. The employees and employee discounts have to look like the plantation owners.

A buddy hooked me up with a family pass once, explained 'No Denim, dress Nice'.  I wore a snappy outfit and the flight attendant rescued me from Coach and escorted me to First Class. It was kinda Fun; they had some decent wines, and food instead of stale peanuts.

I fly all the time. I agree to everything said. People are slobs, bores, and rude as hell sometimes. But not always. The airline treats you like crap, but not always. I've had it all happen over the last 30 years. You name it, I've seen it. Normally, if a project site is within a 10 hour drive, I'm not flying. I control the car! Fuck you Delta, American, JetBlue, United, and the lot of ya!

How about a dress code for the next zoner jam?

Again, huh? I just explained to you it's about visually advertising the airline as being more luxurious than taking a greyhound bus. It has nothing to do with LITB '50s values if that's what you're trying to say here. 

>>I do get this, but does it not strike you as a bit "Leave it to Beaver-esq"?

No, just a rule thing. Even though there's no distinguishing marks, those getting the employee discount are representing the airline and have to adhere to a different standard.

Employees HAVE to wash hands after shitting. Other people don't.

>> Is there something insufficient about the basic ground rules everyone must play by? <<

Yes, but most companies have different expectations and policies for customers versus employees.

Customer: No shirt, no shoes, no service.....a pretty low standard.

If that's INOs rules to get free/discounted food while off duty, yes.

19.5:

So the next time a long-distance relative or a friend wants to see you, you're going to tell them "no, I can't come see you. I won't fly because United has a dress code for discounted employee-related tickets."? 

Sounds reasonable 

You don't get it, lol. They want good branding which is necessary marketing to run a successful luxury-item business. Employees BENEFIT from nearly free tickets by complying and making the airline look posh.

No one is forcing employees to fly on the greatly discounted pass. If they pay full retail they can wear tank tops and birks if they so choose.

If the free ticket lead, the paid tickets will follow.

jeezus christ you are obtuse FOM.

look, there are standards for employee travel.

if you want free shit, don't look like a hoochie-momma skank or a wook. 

you are not being oppressed.

fuck.

I bet you haven't flown since 1986.

just more info that adds to my general discontent with many policies of the major airlines in recent times..

From reading your posts for awhile now, I would say it is a general discontent with almost any codified policies.

I can remember a time when it was considered slovenly if you boarded a plane without a tie and jacket and even the general public would be denied boarding rights if they didn't adhere to a dress code. I also remember air travel being a treat then.

As for your argument that it would be better for a corporation to just trust that an employee dresses appropriately, follows basic hygiene protocols, etc., they can't do that. Whenever a corporation does not spell out what is and what isn't appropriate for their employees, law suits are sure to follow. They have to spell it out because there is an assumption that the majority of people out there are too stupid to do what they should be doing in the first place. Even those who think they are smart will play the dumb card if they think they can make some money in a suit.  

lmao.

My dad was pilot which meant I flew on free pass to the 82 New Years shows all dressed up, but the airline sent my luggage to Puerto Rico instead of SF. So if any of you remember the weird dressed up teenager near the rail on the first night of the new years run that was me. 

The thread leaves me wondering, what are the "other" reasons you don't "fly" much anymore, FaceOnMars?

"I have the results of your blood work. Turns out, you are a loony. Sorry." 

This is a common practice when you are flying as an employee guest.

I used to fly to Rio de Janerio on United. My friend worked for United and would get me her employee discount which was a huge savings and also placed me in business class.

One time when flying back to NY on an employee pass, I arrived at the gate and the Brazilian flight attendant would not let me board into business class because I was wearing a t-shirt and sneakers.

She informed of the dress code and I said I wore the same thing when I flew down in business class. Her response was that was in the USA. Obivously this flght attendtant had something against non-brazilians and she placed me in coach for the first leg of the flight. When i was re-boarding the second leg of the flight, an american flight attendtant recoginized me from a previous flight and asked me why I was going to a seat in coach. I explained to her what had happened in Rio. She told me that is standard policy, but since she remembered me from another flight and there was room in business class, she gave me a seat in business class.

I agree the airlines should not have a right to dictate what passengers wear, but after that incident I always make a point of dressing business casual for all my flights now. You would be surprised how much better service you receive because of the way you are dressed. I know it sucks, dont judge a book by its cover, but a little bit of polish will go a long way.

Better to just fly privately, with your own pilot.

My dad was pilot which meant I flew on free pass to the 82 New Years shows all dressed up, but the airline sent my luggage to Puerto Rico instead of SF. So if any of you remember the weird dressed up teenager near the rail on the first night of the new years run that was me. 

<<<<

Haha I flew back to California to attend Ventura and changed into my tie dye when I got to LAX. Soon as I emerged from the rest room in my tie dyed glory a deadhead told me the fucking shows were canceled because Jerry was in a coma. Poop.

The good old days

That's when America was Great 

I have a flight in the morning - OMG, I can't decide what to wear!

I remember when they'd lay out a white table cloth and carve roast beef at your seat in Pan-Am first class, or give fresh squeezed guava juice on Qantas.

Those were the days...

What this story will bring up is the question "is flying really a luxury means of travel anymore"?  All this in a time when they cut back on every "luxury" that used to be standard, free meal, baggage, leg room, etc.    Im guessing most people see it more like greyhound in the skies back in coach.   BUT  If I had the pass connection, i'd be dressed to the nines.  you kidding me? thats a hurdle i wouldn't mind to save some bucks and possibly get business/first class.

Do suits cost more than plane tickets? 

Roland, we've been over this. Everyone dresses this way when flying to California.

Oh, hell yeah! Maybe go commando, too. Thanks, Dise.

Don't forget the birks, broheim!

Is a "broheim" a Jewish (and kosher) "broham?"

Totally. And brahdopolis is Greek. 

The only shoes I own are Birks. Birk Arizona-style sandals and rubber gardening clogs, only Birks. I do dress them up in winter with tie-dyed socks, but in summer I don't wear socks. It's Eugene formal  wear.

When I fly I wear the gardening clogs (with tie-dyed socks) because they would take up more room in my suitcase than the sandals.

The people are always happy to see me. See you in the friendly skies of United.

You know.. they were flying non-rev, guest passes- which means they are affiliated with the airline. 

I've flown using those even back in my 'hippy' days, and would always wear a button down shirt, nice pants & my hair pulled back.

its common courtesy to abide by their rules if they're letting you fly for almost free.

this lady sounds like a spoiled brat, and I bet whatever employee she's affiliated with is feeing pretty ashamed for all the hullabaloo she's created with the media shit storm.

We fly business/first, totally worth it.

FOM, they should have a cologne and perfume policy, i'll take yogo pants over someones nasty cologne.. California seems to be ahead of the game on the noxious odor regulations, wish the rest of the country followed suit.

Oh man, I'm with you on the fragrance policy, Fog. I get sick from them so I usually try to change seats. That's getting more difficult as the planes are fully sold. Sometimes I get help from a flight attendant, but when I'm stuck next to someone who wear fragrance (can be hair product, after shave, perfume/cologne, essential oils, dryer sheets...) it takes hours, if not days, to get back to "normal".

this lady sounds like a spoiled brat, and I bet whatever employee she's affiliated with is feeing pretty ashamed for all the hullabaloo she's created with the media shit storm.

>>.

Thanks to her, the airline has good reason to pull the employee's non-rev privileges or worse, they could just say fuck it buy your own tickets if the fringe benefit system is going to backfire and yank every employee's non rev pass.

A well-groomed, well-attired customer base is exactly what the airlines need.

The rest of you plebs can travel by rickety pull cart, or by whatever means you lurch about your barren little hovels.

This 19.5 guy sure is a complainer.  Wasn't it just last week when he was crying about takeout food?

Not if the little leggings-wearing brat is pulled from the flight and thrown into Guantanamo, where she belongs.

C'mon now, Mark...she's a minor. The blame should rest with the parents. A good first step would have child protective services remove her from her home and terminate parental rights. Next, a good reeducation camp is in order.

FOM finally gets it.

Right on Judit, i'm with ya. People just don't believe that it makes people sick. We had to move seats during dinner on friday(hair product) luckily there was room.

>>>Next, a good reeducation camp is in order

I like it. I wasn't going to say "CIA Black Site", but I'm definitely picking up what you're laying down here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

All well dressed passengers from 1980

I read the thread and may have missed it, but didn't see where anyone asked OP why fly is in quotes in the title.

Made me think, from the title, that this was about someone giving up drugs.

I always dress nicely to travel,  btw.  We're trying to have a civilization here.

No one asked because OP is a notorious abuser of egregious and superfluous quotation marks. 

try going to an upscale restaurant in the South...

i don't understand what the fuck you are bitching about?

American flag tank top or STFU.

>> it's just seems a bit heavy handed ... both on a personal basis (re: comfort) as well as the general message it sends about stereotyping / mandating how females "should dress". <<

Hey, if you buy my first class ticket I'll wear whatever you ask. Pretty simple, actually. 

Of course, leaving out the free ticket part makes it so much more oppressy!!

>> I used to be a vendor at major league baseball games (Wrigley, Comiskey, then Coors Field) <<

I assume you wore the required vest, and vendor ID button.

I have to admit this FaceOnMars character is starting to grow on me.

Fog, I might move away if you were at the table next to me. 

FOM is tenacious, I'll give him that.

I haven't flown since 1997, and have no plans to, and I don't wear leggings, so I really don't have anything to contribute to this thread, except to say that it looks like it was a busy Monday on the zone.

i am no fashionista nor dapper dan...actually a 1/2 dirty beach head and even I do not have a problem this.

FO6OM

Lately, I've had to take a lot of trips that required having a suit at some point, and have often just flown in the suit instead of having to check a garment bag.  I skip the tie, but am otherwise dressed to the nines, with a nice dress shirt, dress shoes and socks.  I've noticed that I get treated more courteously and given more prompt service than when more casually attired.

I ask the flight stewards to hang my suit jacket in the closet when I board, then shuffle past the first-class seats and onto the main cabin.  No one has ever offered to move me to first class, but that would sure be nice.  It would probably ruin air travel for me though, like one of those deals where once you've experienced it, you can't go back.

It would be cool if the airlines offered incentives, like free checked baggage or air miles, for making an effort to look sharp.

If I show up for a flight in yoga pants with my big ol nut sack prominently on display, I sure the fuck hope they don't let me onboard for the sake of others on board

You got one of those baggy Tracy Mcgrady/ Michael Jordan suits javadave? 

No, Jeff.  I bought a couple of tailored suits at Men's Wherehouse last autumn before I attended an uncle's funeral in Sweden.  

I had an excellent salesman named Edgar.  He'd lived here for 20 years but was originally from Nigeria.  He was the oldest guy on the staff, but easily the most professional.  While his younger colleagues were making a nuisance playing around, he locked in and made a sale.  I needed a black suit for the funeral, but he also pulled out some other looks, and told me I could get a second suit at half price.  I settled on a light brown number, something I could wear for less serious occasions.  

A month after the funeral, I was at a family reunion with the other half of the family in New Orleans.  It was nice to have both suits for that visit.  I got lots of compliments about how good those suits look.  It's nice to hear that.

>>>Men'sWherehouse

Men's Warehouse sells cheap fused suits. You'll be lucky if they last you more than three years.

You're not gonna like the way you look, Java Dave. I guarantee it.

>>>I have a flight in the morning - OMG, I can't decide what to wear!

Business casual would seem to be the choice if maybe hoping for an upgrade and extra respect, Roland.

Herbal Dave makes me want to buy a suit.

I am picking out my finest sweatpants as we speak.  I expect to be upgraded to first class.

May your very high expectations be met.

https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Harvest-collection-semen-based-recipes/dp...

Last couple times I've flown Virgin it's been great. Only strange thing is the video they show for the safety announcement is an over produced hip hop video with all this corepgraphed dancing and bad rapping. I was laughing my ass off. Good times.

Omg!!

Judge Reinhold!!!!!

I had such a hardon for him: pirate suit be damned (;

I also call

*Finest SweatPants*

BandName

Also,

The good old days were suspiciously caucasian

It would make me depressed if I adjusted my attire to fit others' desires or expectations, or even to improve my situation. I've never had a job where I had to dress a certain way, other than the requisite shoes, shirt, and pants. clean and non-holey. That said, the airline was completely within its rights.

This thread has a mild fascist odor. 

Yeah, back when Murica was great, wear a suit on the plane, pound Camels, and be all in for segregation.

People are dressing casual because one has to take half the clothes off for so called security.

I should disclose I read this thread wearing sweatpants.

Ok with you fashion nazi pricks if I wear them to physical therapy?

We need to talk about your flair........

http://nypost.com/2017/04/10/dragged-passenger-kicks-and-screams-his-way...

Bridges said passengers had been told at the gate that United offered $400 and a hotel stay for a volunteer who would agree to take another flight at 3 p.m. Monday, the Courier-Journal of Louisville reported.

After passengers boarded, the airline then said four people had to give up their seats to stand-by United employees who needed to be in Louisville on Monday for a flight, Bridges told the paper.

Passengers were told the flight would not take off until the crew had seats, Bridges said, and the offer was increased to $800, but no one took up the offer.

At that point, she said, a manager said a computer would select four passengers to be removed. One couple was selected first and left the airliner, she said, before the man in the video was confronted.

The man said he was a doctor who needed to see patients at a hospital in the morning and became “very upset,” she said. But the manager told him that security would remove him if he didn’t budge.

After two security guards tried to talk him into leaving his seat, a third arrived and threw the passenger against the armrest before the guards dragged him out of the plane.

Ban overbooking.

i don't get it. they shouldn't have boarded anyone...

That sounds like bad business.

kicking people off for stand-by employees i mean.

If the employees are guaranteed a seat or the plane don't fly, that ain't standby.

I'd guess United has 6-8 flights from ORD to SDF daily.

Just looked, United has 6 daily non-stops between ORD and Louisville (SDF).

New seating on United

funny stuff, last two

Pretty sure you have to PAY for overhead space in that fight club area now too, which just don't seem right. 

No - you have to fight for it.

Flying sucks. It's fucking criminal, I tell ya. They will gladly sell you a ticket - whether you actually get to complete your flight is another story.

The officer who dragged the passenger off the plane has been 're-accommodated' 

United Airlines CEO also needs to be re-accommodated.

slave ship

sometimes airlines have company functions and mandatory training employees must attend. OR if they need employees in another location and/or are commuting they get priority.

having everyone already on board then randomly selecting is pretty fucked up. not sure if the employees were late to the gate or what? what a clusterfuck.

here is a video for another airline pr blunder...

pro surfers are having equipment damaged and since you sign the "waiver" you release them from liability....

http://www.theinertia.com/surf/american-airlines-completely-demolished-4...

sucks after $150 in baggage fees....(each way)...

I watched the video & saw that, as they dragged him away, the guy was wearing sweatpants, sweatshirt, & sandals, & immediately thought of this thread - lol.

I recall starting to wear sweatpants (& shorts w/elastic bands in the summer) for flying after 9/11/01, when they started making you take your belt off @ the security checkpoint.  Man what a time consuming pain in the ass it was to put your belt back on at the checkpoint (not to mention losing track of your bags/wallet/etc on the conveyor belt/etc).  So wearing elastic band pants did away w/that problem completely.  In fact, being an Engineer & a fan of efficiency/improving processes, I'd say that if everyone wore beltless pants, it would vastly improve security checkpoint flow & efficiency, saving everyone time & money.   So there's a HUGE endorsement of sweatpants!  Or maybe someone should invent metal-less belts - they could use high strength fiberglass, we use that for railings & gratings in maintenance shops w/DC power for trains/buses.

My main pet peeve about flying is folks with bad Body Odor, and that goes w/folks wearing dress clothing, in particular polyester shirts.  I flew on business a few times back in the '90's & had to dress nice for the flight since we were going right to meetings from the flight, & I stunk like a French taxi driver upon arrival, no matter that I'd showered that morning & used deodorant (I am half Sicilian though).  So yeah, wearing Cotton is a huge Plus too.  When I travel by train to NJ to see Lyn these days I'm often in the company of folks traveling to/from Newark Airport on NJ Transit & boy it seems a lot of the Europeans dress nice but man do they SMELL BAD!!!!!!!!!

Won't be surprised to see United being sold in the near future.

I'd like to believe this would be a turning point for the industry but.....lol

It's actually a long time coming that the industry, especially American, needs to reevaluate.

Needs to settle from all changes the past 10 years in flying.

Including the ridiculous fees etc.

But on the other hand, it's the way we live now.

Can I bring a carry on for the Fight Club seating?

Where's the section for the really fat guy with the middle seat who is cutting really nasty farts thruout the flight?

They should use Body Odor sensors, or even Weight . . . that one would save the airline Fuel cost . . .

This thread is a mess

>They should use Body Odor sensors, or even Weight . . . that one would save the airline Fuel cost . . .<

your ticket would be wicked pricey brah.

The last time I flew was in 1990, have had no notion or reason to since then. I like to drive, or have taken a train, guess i like to stay grounded...lol ! 





When I am at a show, now that is how I prefer to fly (((( Live Music )))). My feet have def left the ground in the past ~ 

Hahaha there’s more Seinfeld pics in this thread too 

Is fascist puritan a real phrase?  Asking for a friend. 

https://g.co/kgs/LCTJwE

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Did they try to get on wearing cargo shorts or cargo pants? 

<<<or maybe someone should invent metal-less belts - they could use high strength fiberglass, we use that for railings & gratings in maintenance shops w/DC power for trains/buses.

lol. 

{{{ some day }}}

>>What I find interesting is how someone who is very big and spills outside the bounds of a seat might be forced to purchase a second seat ... yet they might not necessarily need 2x the space

You purchase the entire seat, not a fraction of the seat.

>Would there be a difference between 2 oversized seats in coach (where there are currently 3 seats) - designated / prioritized specifically for larger people who are unable to fit in a standard seat vs. a first class seat?  Or would this be too much of a can of worms for the airlines to operate in practical terms?

The difference would be less revenue for the airline.  

You don't have to be very big to spill outside the bounds of a seat these days. Can they make the seats any smaller?

>would the airlines be the first industry ever to be forced to relinquish revenues in the name of regulatory oversight that considers the needs of the public at large first and foremos<

No, but I don''t foresee the current administration pursuing such regulation.  If forced to provide lager seats, the airlines will just charge more for them

It’s aircraft not airplane.

FOM...can you please explain why short people are not allowed on roller coasters? Why is Six Flags not accommodating these "people"?

Is Six Flags considering the needs of the public at large first and foremost?? Where is the outrage????

Short people got no reason
To live

its midget not short people 

FOM...WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE!!!!

Lol

Bed bugs...another reason not to fly.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41685266

Here’s why I don’t fly anymore, people DYING on flights from FOOD POISONING: https://www.thesun.ie/news/1168339/woman-died-from-food-poisoning-on-pla...

“more fair” lol

>Wouldn't it be more fair if all passengers absorbed the increase for a "better average" equally?

No, it wouldn't be fair to those who do not require a larger seat. If you want a larger seat, you can pay for it.