Flynn=Treason?

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I mean right, what he did is an act of treason against the US, I was thinking this at work yesterday but i guess Colbert already did as well

What a fuckin shit show, Flynn's talking and doing with Russia= Renewed fighting in Ukriane, Sanctions lifted, Trump camp wins, I didnt know the US government  listens to phones calls to russia  man i hope treason is on the table here, for these Unamericans.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/15/late-night-tv-recap...

holy shit man, thanks good reading

Yes, it's treason.

This is getting a little far out there, but Schindler likes this guy.

Is Schindler legit?

So far, he's been prescient.

https://jesterscourt.cc/2017/01/28/russian-infiltration-us-federal-government/

 

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Espionage

Flynn may be singing.  Just a hunch.

How great would that be?  He brings them all down.

From a while back:

"All the contact by the Trump campaign and associates were with the American people," Pence said. "We were fully engaged with taking his message to 'Make America Great Again' all across the country."

Finally, asked by host Chris Wallace on a third try if he had ever asked Donald Trump if there were any contacts in the campaign between Trump or his associates and Russians, Pence answered “of course not.”

“Why would there be any contacts between the campaign” and Russia, he said.

 

These people (Flynn, Sessions, Trump, Pence, Nunes etc) are the worst liars in the world.

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/846381630134652928

 

Interesting timeline here:

http://www.businessinsider.com/updated-trump-russia-election-timeline-fb...

At least five other Trump associates — Jeff Sessions, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Carter Page, and JD Gordon — are now reported to have met with Russia's ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak...

 

p.s. add Jared Kushner to the list:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/27/us/politics/senate-jared-kushner-russ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/03/27/republican...

"The republic is on fire, and Nunes wants to hand out parking tickets to the firefighters."

>>>>  Flynn may be singing.  Just a hunch.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959

Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

Former national security adviser tells FBI, the House and Senate intelligence committees he’s willing to be interviewed in exchange for deal, officials say

So he went from lock her up to please don't lock me up.

He is no Gordon Liddy, that's for sure.

shitstain

SOMEONE IS KIND OF EXCITABLE. BIGLY!

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Trump seems to be going off script about Syria, so it won't be long before puppet master Putin  cuts the ties  and outs him.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/politics/jared-kushner-russians...

When Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, sought the top-secret security clearance that would give him access to some of the nation’s most closely guarded secrets, he was required to disclose all encounters with foreign government officials over the last seven years.

But Mr. Kushner did not mention dozens of contacts with foreign leaders or officials in recent months. They include a December meeting with the Russian ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, and one with the head of a Russian state-owned bank, Vnesheconombank, arranged at Mr. Kislyak’s behest.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-s...

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Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

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....both US and UK intelligence sources acknowledge that GCHQ played an early, prominent role in kickstarting the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation, which began in late July 2016.

One source called the British eavesdropping agency the “principal whistleblower”.

The Guardian has been told the FBI and the CIA were slow to appreciate the extensive nature of contacts between Trump’s team and Moscow ahead of the US election. This was in part due to US law that prohibits US agencies from examining the private communications of American citizens without warrants. “They are trained not to do this,” the source stressed.

“It looks like the [US] agencies were asleep,” the source added. “They [the European agencies] were saying: ‘There are contacts going on between people close to Mr Trump and people we believe are Russian intelligence agents. You should be wary of this.’

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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-18/blackwater-founde...

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According to people familiar with his activities, Prince entered Trump Tower through the back, like others who wanted to avoid the media spotlight, and huddled with members of the president-elect’s team to discuss intelligence and security issues. The conversations provide a glimpse of Prince’s relationship with an administration that’s distanced itself from him since the Washington Post reported earlier this month that Prince had met with a top aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Seychelles in January.

That island encounter was the latest in a series of conversations between Trump advisers and Russians that have come to light as U.S. investigators probe allegations that Russia interfered with the presidential election.

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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17M29S

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Utah state officials have begun making plans for a special election to replace Chaffetz in his heavily Republican district, the newspaper reported, citing Lieutenant Governor Spencer Cox.

The conservative Republican, who was first elected to the House of Representatives in 2008, gained prominence as head of the committee that investigated Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was U.S. secretary of state.

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Why are you linking an obviously politically biased travel photographer's twitter feed as a source?

Why do you believe his unnamed sources?

Does he have any journalism background?

Shit, ender, if you want to bitch about one of my sources above I'd start with Louise Mensch.  Or Schindler.

P.s. both Mensch and Taylor predicted Chaffetz - and other shit - before it happened.

 

>> both Mensch and Taylor predicted Chaffetz - and other shit - before it happened.

Bill Miller (Legg Mason Value Trust) beat the SP500 15 years in a row and I'd still bet against him doing it in year 16.

Just like there is big pool of mutual fund managers and one of them is bound to get lucky, there is a big enough pool of people posting/reposting stuff on twitter that some of them is inevitably going to get some shit right. It doesn't mean they know what they are talking about about - it means there are a lot of people on twitter. You have to trust their journalistic methodology, not their past results. Past Performance Is Not Indicative Of Future Results.

Mensch's twitter feed is insane.

There is a lot of truth to this quote (from http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/08/is-conspiracy-queen-lou...)

“Louise has become Carrie Mathison on a bad acid trip,”

But she's reported some important facts that turned out to be verified.  E.g.,

 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop

Following these feeds, you've abandoned all journalism ethics and standards. The standard is to not report stories unless the facts are vetted. You are accepting sources because they got something right once.

You are following rumors and conspiracy simply because they confirm your bias. Long way from FRED charts.

ender?

I'm not a journalist.

I'm wasting zone bandwidth

in one thread

in a folder no one visits

as documentation

of things I consider interesting and/or credible/and or funny

as the Donald's Russia investigation/and/or coverup evolves.

 

If it makes you happy, I'll go on the record: by posting something I am not willing to swear on a bible as to its absolute veracity.

But I have a question:

Do you take the NYTimes as a bible or something?

I don't.

Why?

Many reasons, here's two:

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p.s.

1)  The FBI had been investigating clear links between Trumpy's campaign and Russia since July.

2)  There were no new emails.

So fuck "journalists"

>> Do you take the NYTimes as a bible or something?

In general, I find it to be a trustworthy news source. I try not to read anything but the economist these days. I like not having the news served to me on a minute by minute basis. Weekly, printed information is so much more paletable. 

To check those two articles against other news sources:

1) I opened an incognito window, so my history wouldn't influence the search results. And went to news.google.com

2) I narrowed the window to stories on that exact date. (10/31/16 and 10/29/16).

3) I search only for relevant stories ("Clinton email" and "Trump Russia").

It seems like the "Clinton email" story was reported that way everywhere. But the "Trump Russia" email was an outlier and possibly bad reporting from NYT. (I didn't read the article though.)

I'll stand by my take that you take issue with the NYT articles because they don't confirm your bias. But you have no problem posting rumors that do confirm your bias. You used to be Mr. Facts and frankly I enjoyed it.

It's all Obama's fault!

Bwahaha !!!!

>>>   I'll stand by my take that you take issue with the NYT articles because they don't confirm your bias.

I "take issue" with the articles because they were basically lies.

1) Nothing changed regarding the FBI's conclusion on Clinton's email policies.

2)  The FBI had been investigating Trump since summer 2016.

 

Back to posting rumors that confirm my bias*:

https://twitter.com/nakashimae/status/859825905266552834

 

*my "bias" is that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to steal the election, and that Comey was a useful idiot in the process, which Comey realizes, and he is pissed. 

My "bias" also is that there will be indictments of people associated with the Trump campaign.

My "hope" is that the indictments lead to President Orrin Hatch.**

**   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

Rand Paul wants some attention?   Odd tweet (p.s. I don't really understand twitters apparently premature timestamps):

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/860482401109258242

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>>>  Following these feeds, you've abandoned all journalism ethics and standards. The standard is to not report stories unless the facts are vetted. You are accepting sources because they got something right once.

Me & - this morning - MSNBC:  

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^ We can only hope.

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/863405396672827393

https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/13/trumps-presidency-ended-may-9th-hatc...

Exclusive: Several sources familiar with the matter say that Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah is being given security briefings to prepare him for the Presidency.

Sources close to the legal community indicate that matters are proceeding rapidly in the forthcoming proceedings to remove Donald Trump from office, and to indict the co-conspirators around him.

Sources with links to the intelligence community described a sense of both inevitability and urgency over the unraveling of the Trump-Pence administration over their attempts to obstruct justice. “Trump’s presdidency ended May 9th,” said one source, referring to the overtly politicized dismissal of FBI Director James Comey.

Donald Trump and Mike Pence have both violated their oaths of office in plain sight over the unconstitutional dismissal of Director Comey, these sources say, and elements of the Judicial Branch are asserting the separation of powers described in the Constitution. This matter is separate from, and additional to, the substantive charges of collusion with the Russian state, and of money-laundering, sedition, violation of the Logan Act, and other crimes with which both Trump and Pence may be charged. As I exclusively reported earlier this week, Speaker Paul Ryan, normally third in the line of succession, will be excluded as the intelligence community has an intercept in which Ryan openly admits that he knew Sergei Kislyak was washing Russian money into the GOP. This will convict Ryan on RICO charges; as I have also exclusively reported this week, a RICO case exists against the GOP as a body. The raids earlier this week on a data and consulting firm close to Paul Manafort formed part of evidence gathering in this RICO case.

Some of the violations committed this week by Pence and Trump include, but are not limited to, lying that Director Comey told Mr. Trump he was not being investigated; explicitly connecting Trump’s firing of Comey to the investigation of his connections with Russian hacking; using White House spokesmen knowingly to lie to the public, for example, Sarah Sanders Huckabee claiming Comey “committed atrocities”; having the Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, involve himself on a matter on which he was recused; explicitly stating that the White House wishes a new FBI Director to bring the Russia investigation to a conclusion; and witness tampering with threats to Director Comey.

As a result, sources say, steps are being taken by aspects of the Judicial Branch to preserve the constitutional Separation of Powers and these steps include ensuring a smooth transition of power. In order that Senator Hatch, the fourth in line, be ready to assume the duties of the office he will shortly be undertaking, several separate sources with links to the matter, report that the Senator is receiving copies of security briefings he will need upon becoming President.

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I know, she's not a journalist, she's a lunatic.

So maybe she's 100% wrong this time.

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>> Nothing to see here, bury your head in

I think there is plenty to see. This administration is corrupt and and it's in portrayed as so in the mainstream press. Part of what you are posting is still the left wing equivalent of infowars.

Are you selling your BRK shares? If it's not a good enough source for you to trade on, why should we care?

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Ender?

 

I am posting things I consider possibly credible.

I have been fiully honest that my sources are not MSM - and possibly lunatics.

Yet my sources have been right multiple times in this thread.

 

Why are you so offended that you attack me personally?

If I  am a lunatic, why not just let this thread be my sad lonely self-documented trip into lunacy?

You are adding no value, just attacking.

Seems kind of lame to me.

 

 

 

 

Yes, ender, I should sell  Berkshire because you posted a napkin.

Good work, I'm convinced.

By the way, that was not a Louise Mensch post, ity was a random person responding to a Louise Mensch post.

I think you are smart enough to know the difference.

 

btw, where's the link?

 

 

>>>   By the way, that was not a Louise Mensch post, ity was a random person responding to a Louise Mensch post.

I just noticed she re-tweeted it.

If you recall, I posted thiis comment earlier in the thread:

Louise has become Carrie Mathison on a bad acid trip,”

 

and, more importantly, my last post about LM said this:

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I know, she's not a journalist, she's a lunatic.

So maybe she's 100% wrong this time.

 

She may be full of shit.

But I think I'll give her a little more time.

 

>> I think you are smart enough to know the difference.

She retweeted it. It's a post. You know like you do here. She and you and everyone on twitter is just posting garbage without even believing or fact checking it. It's ridiculous.

Here's the link.

https://twitter.com/CORLEBRA777/status/864304363275141120

>> Why are you so offended that you attack me personally?

I'm attacking your posts, not you.

You are posting to a public message board, you should expect comments and arguments. 

It keeps getting better.

Breaking now (NY Times)

Trump asked Comey to shut down Flynn investigation in February. Comedy wrote a memo after the meeting.

WH denying it. (Sorry, can't link from this device).

What day is it?

Comey day.

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RUSSIA!!!!!!!

 

The new Paraguay.....

 

LOL

>>>  RUSSIA!!!!!!!

>>> The new Paraguay.....

>>> LOL

 

well TIMEd, Bubby:

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From above:

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...But he said Mr. Comey had also described other encounters with the president that had troubled him.

One of those occurred at the White House on Jan. 22, just two days after Mr. Trump was sworn in. That day, Mr. Trump hosted a ceremony to honor law enforcement officials who had provided security for the inauguration.

Mr. Wittes said that Mr. Comey told him that he initially did not want to go to the meeting because the F.B.I. director should not have too close a relationship with the White House. But Mr. Comey went because he wanted to represent the bureau.

The ceremony occurred in the Blue Room of the White House, where many senior law enforcement officials — including the Secret Service director — had gathered. Mr. Comey — who is 6 feet 8 inches tall and was wearing a dark blue suit that day – told Mr. Wittes that he tried to blend in with the blue curtains in the back of the room, in the hopes that Mr. Trump would not spot him and call him out.

“He thought he had gotten through and not been noticed or singled out and that he was going to get away without an individual interaction,” Mr. Wittes said Mr. Comey told him.

But Mr. Trump spotted Mr. Comey and called him out.

“Oh and there’s Jim,” Mr. Trump said. “He’s become more famous than me.”

With an abashed look on his face, Mr. Comey walked up to Mr. Trump.

“Comey said that as he was walking across the room he was determined that there wasn’t going to be a hug,” Mr. Wittes said. “It was bad enough there was going to be a handshake. And Comey has long arms so Comey said he pre-emptively reached out for a handshake and grabbed the president’s hand. But Trump pulled him into an embrace and Comey didn’t reciprocate. If you look at the video, it’s one person shaking hands and another hugging.”

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You gotta admit ^^^ is pretty entertaining shit.

Signifcant person of interest.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-probe-reac...

Would have to be Sessions, Tillerson, or Kushner, no? 

"close to Trump" = son-in-law?

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For what it is worth, Claude Taylor claimed it is Kushner a few hours ago:

https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/865651947864432640

Makes sense. Trump would reluctantly cut ties with Sessions or Tillerson, like he did with Flynn.

If it's Kushner it explains why he's going balls to the wall.

Still going to be difficult to get him out, with GOP controlling the house and senate.

WH may try to block Mueller from going after Kushner and Manafort.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mueller-idUSKCN18F2KK

 

http://www.newsweek.com/did-russians-target-dem-voters-kushners-help-613612

Scarborough's point is on the right track.

The notion of Russian activities came up in the summer. In the face of the point that it was a known topic, it is clear that various members of the Trump campaign either continued or started having discussions with Russians and then, virtually all of them "failed to disclose" them upfront, then denied it, then acknowledged it. The pattern is there for all who wish to see it, can. 

At the end of the day, it's probably safe to say that prior to the election, these guys had more contact than our actual elected or other gov't officials did.

Post election and continuing to this day, a series of "reveals" following by bumbling and contradictory public statements including 45's undying and very public devotion to Flynn are rolling up.

Meanwhile, in supporterland there's "nothing to see here".

The whole thing is just one long nightmare.

from 6 days ago:

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6 days later:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jared-kushner-now-under-fbi-scrutiny...

might just have been a lucky guess.

If so, he'll probably be wrong about this:

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http://www.ussc.gov/guidelines/2016-guidelines-manual/2016-chapter-5

Wapo reporting:

1)  Kushner & Flynn had secret meeting in Trump tower, discussed setting up secret communications channel with Russia.

2)  Senate requesting every document and email associated with Trump campaign from mid2015 on?

Reuters feels left out, joins the feeding frenzy, claims Kushner "forgot" to report thee more meetings:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fbi-kushner-exclusive-idUSK...

James Comey is going to blow this shit up next week.

Probably just a coincidence, but Weissman specializes in financial crimes and foreign bribery:  https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-31/senior-justice-of...

meanwhile, in the context of the Donald apparently giving Putin his spy compounds back....drip drip drip:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/01/nigel-farage-is-person-of-interest-in-fbi-investigation-into-trump-and-russia

https://www.yahoo.com/news/four-top-law-firms-turned-requests-represent-...

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The lawyers and their firms cited a variety of factors in choosing not to take on the president as a client. Some, like Brendan Sullivan, said they had upcoming trials or existing commitments that would make it impossible for them to devote the necessary time and resources to Trump’s defense.

Others mentioned potential conflicts with clients of their firms, such as financial institutions that have already received subpoenas relating to potential money-laundering issues that are part of the investigation.

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Do you think getting a lawyer is an indication of guilt?

Not at all.

I do like when lawyers have to hire lawyers.

Rosenstein next.

Meetings with Ukrainians are not the same as Meetings with Russians, so this is probably totally fine:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/338417-manafort-met-wit...

And of course it was natural for them to talk about the DNC hack.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-height-of-russia-tensions-trump-campaign-chairman-manafort-met-with-business-associate-from-ukraine/2017/06/18/6ab8485c-4c5d-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html

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"It would be neither surprising nor suspicious that two political consultants would chat about the political news of the day, including the DNC hack, which was in the news,” Maloni said.

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"No 1: there is no collusion.

 No. 2: collusion is not a crime, but even if it was a crime, there was no collusion.

And he said that very strongly."

 

"There is no collusion, and even if it there was, it is not a crime"

 

https://twitter.com/paulwaldman1/status/946759604825939968

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George Orwell would love this:

 

"collusion is not a crime, but even if it was a crime, there was no collusion."

"There is no collusion, but even if there was, it's not a crime."

 

 

If it were a crime, I didn't do it.

If I did it, it's not a crime.

 

Is Orin Hatch president yet? I thought indictments were imminent in May?  

Patience, young Jedi.

Hurry does not for good legal case make.

 

Indictments (so far):

Manafort

Gates

Papadapolous  (plea deal, cooperating)

Flynn (plea deal, cooperating)

meanwhile, from the former WSJ reporters who founded Fusion, which put togther the Steele dossier:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fus...

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long - and not about a pending indictment - but quite interesting nonetheless:  

https://www.wired.com/story/inside-facebook-mark-zuckerberg-2-years-of-h...

Indictments (so far):

1) Trump Campaign Chair Paul Manafort

2) Manafort partner Gates (rumored to be cooperating with Mueller)

3) National Security Advisor Flynn (cooperating with Mueller)

4) Trump campaign foreign policty adovor Papadapolous (cooperating with Mueller)

5 - 17)  various Russian Assets who worked with....?  https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

p.s.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/964562512862765067

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update:

Indictments (so far):

1) Trump Campaign Chair Paul Manafort - multiple indictments and now, as of Friday, asset seizures;

2) Manafort partner Gates (multiple indictments, plead guilty to two felonies and is cooperating with Mueller)

3) National Security Advisor Flynn (plead guilty & is cooperating with Mueller)

4) Trump campaign foreign policy advisor Papadapolous (plead guilty and is cooperating with Mueller)

5 - 17)  various Russian Assets who worked with....?  https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

18)  Skadden Arp lawyer Alex Van der Zwaan (son-in-law of Alfa bank's oligarch owner) - who admitted to lying about a meeting with Manafort, US Rep (R) Dana Roherbacher, and former US Rep (R) Vin Weber.

19) some other fucker. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indic...

ps.  new democratic memo released:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/02/24/democratic...

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The CNN link was interesting, but that last wordpress article was complete crap. The conclusions they were making just from metadata were reaching. 

>> Louise Mensch "reported"* this 11 months ago.

>> *She's not a "reporter".

In that same period she posted tons of things that weren't proven to be factually accurate.

To determine if someone is a good reporter, you should be counting their errors, not the times they got a story right. Getting a story right is expected in journalism.

Hey Ender, how goes it. 

 

Mannfred, did you ever pay up on the bet we made?

 

RUSSIA!!!!!!......BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What's up Bubby! Nice to see you around these parts.

Hi Bubby, the bet was payment to the zone, so it would be easy for me to claim that I paid.  In consideration of the preceding, I'll leave that question up to you to answer.

As for Louise Mensch, well, here she is 1 year ago: 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/opinion/what-to-ask-about-russian-hac...

"...So, I have some ideas for how the House committee members should proceed. If I were Adam Schiff, the leading Democrat on the committee, I would demand to see the following witnesses: Carter Page, Paul Manafort, Richard Burt, Erik Prince, Dan Scavino, Brad Parscale, Roger Stone, Corey Lewandowski, Boris Epshteyn, Rudolph Giuliani, Michael Flynn, Michael Flynn Jr., Felix Sater, Dmitry Rybolovlev, Michael Cohen, Jack Dorsey, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Robert and Rebekah Mercer, Stephen Bannon, Sebastian Gorka, Michael Anton, Julia Hahn and Stephen Miller, along with executives from Cambridge Analytica, Alfa Bank, Silicon Valley Bank and Spectrum Health.

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Note that she nailed Cambridge Analytica a year ahead of "real reporters".

If she's full of shit, it should be easy to find something that was incorrect in her NYT column. 

Have at it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/997095653875617792

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Kinda hard to "inform" on someone who has not done anything wrong.

https://twitter.com/meekwire/status/1011268517591740416

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-obtains-trump-ally-erik-...

Special counsel obtains Trump ally Erik Prince's phones, computer

By James Gordon Meek

Special counsel obtains Trump ally Erik Prince's phones, computer

By James Gordon Meek

Jun 25, 2018, 11:12 AM ET

 

 

 

>>>   infinite ignorance on Saturday, May 27, 2017 – 08:14 pm

>>>   This is interesting, is the NRA involved?

>>>   https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/868609955649212416

update:

1)  here's that tweet from May:

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2)  today's indictment: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/russian-national-charged-conspiracy-act-agent-russian-federation-within-united-states

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1018939192280276992

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This is kind of interesting.

https://www.salon.com/2016/02/15/bernies_man_behind_the_scenes_tad_devin...

I wonder why Bernie's chief strategist was in communications wioth Russian military intelligence?

https://www.scribd.com/document/384239198/Manafort-Exhibit-List

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serious question, do you think there's going to be a national level politician that doesnt have some sort of involvement, even tangentially, to russian politicians/agents?   

Hillman,

Mike "of course not" Pence sure didn't think it was normal, did he?

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/politics/mike-pence-flynn-trump-russia-co...

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Maybe Pence meant "of course there HAD been contact", but he misspoke?

Donald's longtime Trump Organization CFO granted immunity in Cohen investigation.

I wonder if he is also cooperating in the Russia matter.  Time will tell.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/allen-weisselberg-longtime-trump-organizati...

 

 

Thanks for keeping this thread going. It matters.

you are quite welcome, Judit....will be an interesting history once this all shakes out.

news today (for some context refer to  http://vivalazone.org/comment/142821#comment-142821) :

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-31/manafort-associate-sa...

"A former associate of Paul Manafort pleaded guilty to a lobbying crime and agreed to cooperate with the U.S., giving prosecutors access to insights from a longtime international political operative whose Russian business partner has already been indicted in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe.

The lobbyist, Sam Patten, 47, admitted that he failed to register in the U.S. as a foreign agent for his work lobbying on behalf of a Ukrainian political party. The nature of his cooperation isn’t clear. Patten worked with Manafort and on Ukrainian campaigns, and reportedly worked on microtargeting operations with Cambridge Analytica.

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"official" (CBC) journalist (fwiw) ...with an interesting take on recent events: 

https://twitter.com/ZevShalev/status/1040066358010990592

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Trump's campaign chairman just pled guilty and agreed to cooperate with the Special Counsel.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/manafort-plea-agreement

 

Notable:

He agrees to 100% cooperate with the SCO, including testifying in front of grand juries and courts.

He agrees that even WITH cooperation, he will probably get at least 18 years in prison.

He remains jailed.

Quite interesting long read on the probable impact of the Russia tactics on the vote.

The inescapable conclusion is that the US media was, as a whole, unwitting Russian tools.

And that the Russians played Comey too.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump

A note re Manafort: 

1)  he also pled guilty to state crimes and cannot be pardoned for those.

2) my current understanding is that Manafort might get a reduced sentence if DOJ is happy with his cooperation.  

But his $46 million in assets are gone baby gone, meaning the Special Counsel is turning a profit for the taxpayers so far.  I wonder what Trump Tower is worth?

Somewhat odd exchange between Louise Mensch and George Papadapolouos:   https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1052302892374183936

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/technology/facebook-data-russia-election-racism.html

Nov. 14, 2018

Sheryl Sandberg was seething.

Inside Facebook’s Menlo Park, Calif., headquarters, top executives gathered in the glass-walled conference room of its founder, Mark Zuckerberg. It was September 2017, more than a year after Facebook engineers discovered suspicious Russia-linked activity on its site, an early warning of the Kremlin campaign to disrupt the 2016 American election. Congressional and federal investigators were closing in on evidence that would implicate the company.

But it wasn’t the looming disaster at Facebook that angered Ms. Sandberg. It was the social network’s security chief, Alex Stamos, who had informed company board members the day before that Facebook had yet to contain the Russian infestation. Mr. Stamos’s briefing had prompted a humiliating boardroom interrogation of Ms. Sandberg, Facebook’s chief operating officer, and her billionaire boss. She appeared to regard the admission as a betrayal.

“You threw us under the bus!” she yelled at Mr. Stamos, according to people who were present.

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But as evidence accumulated that Facebook’s power could also be exploited to disrupt elections, broadcast viral propaganda and inspire deadly campaigns of hate around the globe, Mr. Zuckerberg and Ms. Sandberg stumbled. Bent on growth, the pair ignored warning signs and then sought to conceal them from public view. At critical moments over the last three years, they were distracted by personal projects, and passed off security and policy decisions to subordinates, according to current and former executives.

When Facebook users learned last spring that the company had compromised their privacy in its rush to expand, allowing access to the personal information of tens of millions of people to a political data firm linked to President Trump, Facebook sought to deflect blame and mask the extent of the problem.

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Even so, trust in the social network has sunk, while its pell-mell growth has slowed. Regulators and law enforcement officials in the United States and Europe are investigating Facebook’s conduct with Cambridge Analytica, a political data firm that worked with Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign, opening up the company to fines and other liability. Both the Trump administration and lawmakers have begun crafting proposals for a national privacy law, setting up a yearslong struggle over the future of Facebook’s data-hungry business model.

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But as Facebook grew, so did the hate speech, bullying and other toxic content on the platform. When researchers and activists in Myanmar, India, Germany and elsewhere warned that Facebook had become an instrument of government propaganda and ethnic cleansing, the company largely ignored them. Facebook had positioned itself as a platform, not a publisher. Taking responsibility for what users posted, or acting to censor it, was expensive and complicated. Many Facebook executives worried that any such efforts would backfire.

Then Donald J. Trump ran for president. He described Muslim immigrants and refugees as a danger to America, and in December 2015 posted a statement on Facebook calling for a “total and complete shutdown” on Muslims entering the United States. Mr. Trump’s call to arms — widely condemned by Democrats and some prominent Republicans — was shared more than 15,000 times on Facebook, an illustration of the site’s power to spread racist sentiment.

Mr. Zuckerberg, who had helped found a nonprofit dedicated to immigration reform, was appalled, said employees who spoke to him or were familiar with the conversation. He asked Ms. Sandberg and other executives if Mr. Trump had violated Facebook’s terms of service.

The question was unusual. Mr. Zuckerberg typically focused on broader technology issues; politics was Ms. Sandberg’s domain. In 2010, Ms. Sandberg, a Democrat, had recruited a friend and fellow Clinton alum, Marne Levine, as Facebook’s chief Washington representative. A year later, after Republicans seized control of the House, Ms. Sandberg installed another friend, a well-connected Republican: Joel Kaplan, who had attended Harvard with Ms. Sandberg and later served in the George W. Bush administration.

Some at Facebook viewed Mr. Trump’s 2015 attack on Muslims as an opportunity to finally take a stand against the hate speech coursing through its platform. But Ms. Sandberg, who was edging back to work after the death of her husband several months earlier, delegated the matter to Mr. Schrage and Monika Bickert, a former prosecutor whom Ms. Sandberg had recruited as the company’s head of global policy management. Ms. Sandberg also turned to the Washington office — particularly to Mr. Kaplan, said people who participated in or were briefed on the discussions.

In video conference calls between the Silicon Valley headquarters and Washington, the three officials construed their task narrowly. They parsed the company’s terms of service to see if the post, or Mr. Trump’s account, violated Facebook’s rules.

Mr. Kaplan argued that Mr. Trump was an important public figure and that shutting down his account or removing the statement could be seen as obstructing free speech, said three employees who knew of the discussions. He said it could also stoke a conservative backlash.

“Don’t poke the bear,” Mr. Kaplan warned.

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In the final months of Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, Russian agents escalated a yearlong effort to hack and harass his Democratic opponents, culminating in the release of thousands of emails stolen from prominent Democrats and party officials.

Facebook had said nothing publicly about any problems on its own platform. But in the spring of 2016, a company expert on Russian cyberwarfare spotted something worrisome. He reached out to his boss, Mr. Stamos.

Mr. Stamos’s team discovered that Russian hackers appeared to be probing Facebook accounts for people connected to the presidential campaigns, said two employees. Months later, as Mr. Trump battled Hillary Clinton in the general election, the team also found Facebook accounts linked to Russian hackers who were messaging journalists to share information from the stolen emails.

Mr. Stamos, 39, told Colin Stretch, Facebook’s general counsel, about the findings, said two people involved in the conversations. At the time, Facebook had no policy on disinformation or any resources dedicated to searching for it.

Mr. Stamos, acting on his own, then directed a team to scrutinize the extent of Russian activity on Facebook. In December 2016, after Mr. Zuckerberg publicly scoffed at the idea that fake news on Facebook had helped elect Mr. Trump, Mr. Stamos — alarmed that the company’s chief executive seemed unaware of his team’s findings — met with Mr. Zuckerberg, Ms. Sandberg and other top Facebook leaders.

Ms. Sandberg was angry. Looking into the Russian activity without approval, she said, had left the company exposed legally. Other executives asked Mr. Stamos why they had not been told sooner.

Still, Ms. Sandberg and Mr. Zuckerberg decided to expand on Mr. Stamos’s work, creating a group called Project P, for “propaganda,” to study false news on the site, according to people involved in the discussions. By January 2017, the group knew that Mr. Stamos’s original team had only scratched the surface of Russian activity on Facebook, and pressed to issue a public paper about their findings.

But Mr. Kaplan and other Facebook executives objected. Washington was already reeling from an official finding by American intelligence agencies that Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian president, had personally ordered an influence campaign aimed at helping elect Mr. Trump.

If Facebook implicated Russia further, Mr. Kaplan said, Republicans would accuse the company of siding with Democrats. And if Facebook pulled down the Russians’ fake pages, regular Facebook users might also react with outrage at having been deceived: His own mother-in-law, Mr. Kaplan said, had followed a Facebook page created by Russian trolls.

Ms. Sandberg sided with Mr. Kaplan, recalled four people involved. Mr. Zuckerberg — who spent much of 2017 on a national “listening tour,” feeding cows in Wisconsin and eating dinner with Somali refugees in Minnesota — did not participate in the conversations about the public paper. When it was published that April, the word “Russia” never appeared.

Ms. Sandberg’s subordinates took a similar approach in Washington, where the Senate had begun pursuing its own investigation, led by Richard Burr, the North Carolina Republican, and Mark Warner, the Virginia Democrat. Throughout the spring and summer of 2017, Facebook officials repeatedly played down Senate investigators’ concerns about the company, while publicly claiming there had been no Russian effort of any significance on Facebook.

But inside the company, employees were tracing more ads, pages and groups back to Russia. That June, a Times reporter provided Facebook a list of accounts with suspected ties to Russia, seeking more information on their provenance. By August 2017, Facebook executives concluded that the situation had become what one called a “five-alarm fire,” said a person familiar with the discussions.

Mr. Zuckerberg and Ms. Sandberg agreed to go public with some findings, and laid plans to release a blog post on Sept. 6, 2017, the day of the company’s quarterly board meeting.

After Mr. Stamos and his team drafted the post, however, Ms. Sandberg and her deputies insisted it be less specific. She and Mr. Zuckerberg also asked Mr. Stamos and Mr. Stretch to brief the board’s audit committee, chaired by Erskine Bowles, the patrician investor and White House veteran.

Mr. Stretch and Mr. Stamos went into more detail with the audit committee than planned, warning that Facebook was likely to find even more evidence of Russian interference.

The disclosures set off Mr. Bowles, who after years in Washington could anticipate how lawmakers might react. He grilled the two men, occasionally cursing, on how Facebook had allowed itself to become a tool for Russian interference. He demanded to know why it had taken so long to uncover the activity, and why Facebook directors were only now being told.

When the full board gathered later that day at a room at the company’s headquarters reserved for sensitive meetings, Mr. Bowles pelted questions at Facebook’s founder and second-in-command. Ms. Sandberg, visibly unsettled, apologized. Mr. Zuckerberg, stone-faced, whirred through technical fixes, said three people who attended or were briefed on the proceedings.

Later that day, the company’s abbreviated blog post went up. It said little about fake accounts or the organic posts created by Russian trolls that had gone viral on Facebook, disclosing only that Russian agents had spent roughly $100,000 — a relatively tiny sum — on approximately 3,000 ads.

Just one day after the company’s carefully sculpted admission, The Times published an investigation of further Russian activity on Facebook, showing how Russian intelligence had used fake accounts to promote emails stolen from the Democratic Party and prominent Washington figures.

The combined revelations infuriated Democrats, finally fracturing the political consensus that had protected Facebook and other big tech companies from Beltway interference. Republicans, already concerned that the platform was censoring conservative views, accused Facebook of fueling what they claimed were meritless conspiracy charges against Mr. Trump and Russia. Democrats, long allied with Silicon Valley on issues including immigration and gay rights, now blamed Mr. Trump’s win partly on Facebook’s tolerance for fraud and disinformation.

After stalling for weeks, Facebook eventually agreed to hand over the Russian posts to Congress. Twice in October 2017, Facebook was forced to revise its public statements, finally acknowledging that close to 126 million people had seen the Russian posts.

The same month, Mr. Warner and Senator Amy Klobuchar, the Minnesota Democrat, introduced legislation to compel Facebook and other internet firms to disclose who bought political ads on their sites — a significant expansion of federal regulation over tech companies.

“It’s time for Facebook to let all of us see the ads bought by Russians *and paid for in Rubles* during the last election,” Ms. Klobuchar wrote on her own Facebook page.

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In March, The Times, The Observer of London and The Guardian prepared to publish a joint investigation into how Facebook user data had been appropriated by Cambridge Analytica to profile American voters. A few days before publication, The Times presented Facebook with evidence that copies of improperly acquired Facebook data still existed, despite earlier promises by Cambridge executives and others to delete it.

Mr. Zuckerberg and Ms. Sandberg met with their lieutenants to determine a response. They decided to pre-empt the stories, saying in a statement published late on a Friday night that Facebook had suspended Cambridge Analytica from its platform. The executives figured that getting ahead of the news would soften its blow, according to people in the discussions.

They were wrong. The story drew worldwide outrage, prompting lawsuits and official investigations in Washington, London and Brussels. For days, Mr. Zuckerberg and Ms. Sandberg remained out of sight, mulling how to respond. While the Russia investigation had devolved into an increasingly partisan battle, the Cambridge scandal set off Democrats and Republicans alike. And in Silicon Valley, other tech firms began exploiting the outcry to burnish their own brands.

“We’re not going to traffic in your personal life,” Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, said in an MSNBC interview. “Privacy to us is a human right. It’s a civil liberty.” (Mr. Cook’s criticisms infuriated Mr. Zuckerberg, who later ordered his management team to use only Android phones — arguing that the operating system had far more users than Apple’s.)

Then Facebook went on the offensive. Mr. Kaplan prevailed on Ms. Sandberg to promote Kevin Martin, a former Federal Communications Commission chairman and fellow Bush administration veteran, to lead the company’s American lobbying efforts. Facebook also expanded its work with Definers.

On a conservative news site called the NTK Network, dozens of articles blasted Google and Apple for unsavory business practices. One story called Mr. Cook hypocritical for chiding Facebook over privacy, noting that Apple also collects reams of data from users. Another played down the impact of the Russians’ use of Facebook.

The rash of news coverage was no accident: NTK is an affiliate of Definers, sharing offices and staff with the public relations firm in Arlington, Va. Many NTK Network stories are written by staff members at Definers or America Rising, the company’s political opposition-research arm, to attack their clients’ enemies. While the NTK Network does not have a large audience of its own, its content is frequently picked up by popular conservative outlets, including Breitbart.

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Weird Steve, thanks for keeping this thread going. It read back through it from the beginning and it was a good walk down memory lane for this whole shit show. I like the last words, “go long on popcorn stocks”

thanks very much, and thank the viva crew for allowing this timeline to eat up some bandwidth!

It has been an interesting couple of years.

 

This may end up being relevant in the end:

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1068160276783136768

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Flynn=Treason?

guess not

hint:  "substantial assistance" is really not good news for certain unnamed obscured individuals.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/04/673473063/michael-flynn-has-provided-substantial-assistance-in-russia-inquiry-feds-say

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wonder who this is?

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https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1095829540138553351

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"...defendant intentionally made false statements that were material to another DOJ investigation."

 

these guys tease more than Warren Haynes.

 

^^^  oops, that was the Judge.

Flynn is still not in jail. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/mueller-report-shows-russians-trump-camp-were-friends-benefits-collusion-n996101

 

April 18, 2019, 5:10 PM CDT

By Ken Dilanian

WASHINGTON — To charge a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, Robert Mueller decided he had to prove the existence of an explicit, corrupt agreement between the two sides. It wasn't enough, his report said, that the Trump campaign and Russia were acting out of mutual interest.

Mueller said he didn't find a conspiracy he could prove. But he did establish in painstaking detail that the Russians and the Trump campaign pursued a relationship of mutual benefit during the election campaign — and afterward.

Some might argue that verges on a different sort of collusion.

"The report reveals that there was an awful lot of contact between people in Trump world and Russians, and there appears to be at least some attempt at coordination," said Greg Brower, a former U.S. attorney during the George W. Bush administration and senior FBI official. "One could argue you put all that together, it looks like collusion."

The report says, "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

But it also says that "the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."

And after the Russians helped Trump get elected though efforts that were apparent to the Trump campaign, the report says, the Russians reached out to members of the Trump transition team, including the president's son-in-law, ostensibly seeking the fruits of their labors. After a backchannel meeting in the Seychelles, the head of Russia's sovereign wealth fund passed a friend of the president's son-in-law a two-page document proposing how the Trump administration could promote "U.S.-Russia reconciliation."

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On Aug. 2, 2016, the report says, Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort met in New York City with his long-time business associate Konstantin Kilimnik, a man the FBI believes is a Russian intelligence operative. Kilimnik sought the meeting to deliver a peace plan for Ukraine — one that Manafort later acknowledged would have allowed Russia to control part of eastern Ukraine.

"They also discussed the status of the Trump Campaign and Manafort's strategy for winning Democratic votes in Midwestern states," the report says. Months before, Manafort "had caused internal polling data to be shared with Kilimnik, and the sharing continued for some period of time after their August meeting."

Mueller doesn’t say what Kilimnik did with the polling data, but experts have said it could have been used to help the Russian election interference effort.

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And then: "Immediately after the November 8 election, Russian government officials and prominent Russian businessmen began trying to make inroads into the new administration. The most senior levels of the Russian government encouraged these efforts. The Russian Embassy made contact hours after the election to congratulate the President-Elect and to arrange a call with President Putin. Several Russian businessmen picked up the effort from there."

After that came the famous phone calls between National Security Adviser Mike Flynn and the Russian ambassador, lies about which led to Flynn's downfall.

The report makes no comment on the propriety of those contacts and meetings — in stark contrast to former FBI Director James Comey accusing Hillary Clinton of "extremely careless" conduct when he announced in July 2016 that he recommended no criminal charges in the case over her email.

But foreign policy experts and campaign veterans have said, over and over during the 22-month investigation, that it was not normal — and in fact was deeply suspicious — for a presidential campaign to foment a secret relationship with a major U.S. adversary.

That relationship and the actions Trump took to conceal it posed such a concern that the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation, former Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe testified.

There is no mention of that in the Mueller report. In fact, the word "counterintelligence" appears just eight times, all in pro forma fashion. The report does not say anything about financial ties, if any, between Donald Trump and Russia, or blackmail, or any other source of compromise.

Current and former intelligence officials say that Mueller does in fact have counterintelligence findings, but they are classified. The House Intelligence Committee has asked for a briefing on them, and so far has not received one.

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     ^ "ignorance" indeed...ladies and gentlemen, the unraveling:  FLYNN WAS SET UP!  Some of you owe this man an apology!

 

     FBI Entrapped Flynn With Manipulated Evidence As Clapper Allegedly Issued 'Kill Shot' Order: Court Docs

 

     https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-entrapped-flynn-manipulated-evid...

 

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     Clapper's errand boy, neocon apologist, David "Kill Shot" Ignatius rationalizing the false narrative leading up to the war in Iraq:

     

     https://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/wapo-columnist-ignatius-plays-false?u...

 

     Obviously the military industrial complex and their minions in the media viewed the incoming president that was elected on a platform of ending war as a clear and present danger to their neoconservative agenda of endless bloodshed...history will not be kind to the coup plotters, framing Flynn was the necessary event that initiated the biggest scam in the 243 years of the republic.

     Some of you may want to reconsider what side of the fence you're standing on.


 

 

 

 

     Lt. General Michael Flynn

     November 28th, 2020

     https://youtu.be/AaAE2pzLiEQ