Is Facebook a Good Thing or a Bad Thing?

I use it once a week. But I'm only doing the family pics thing. 

I don't know what it does to people conversing in a group like FBPZ. 

Never used facebook, myspace, friendster, etc. Big data scares the shit out of me.

It's so creepy how content is personalized now. They create a reality to confirm your bias and then sell it back to you. 

No, its not. Thanks to Facebook.

If the Justice Department on behalf of the FCC has shut down Facebook this week; Google would be up and running with a better platform with in 6 hours.

I trust Google of all the high-tech giants being poked this week about personal security.

fb is gay

Gay is good. 

Facebook, like the atomic bomb, is just another example of how the most serious problems on earth are created by the most intelligent people.

Intelligence is overrated.

What personal data was used? 

zoners love facebook

My wife and I never signed up, nor made Facebook profiles/accounts.

The potential for a plethora of things that could be done with the information they could gather etc...

Scared the shit out of us.

Now here we are.

>>>>The potential for a plethora of things that could be done with the information they could gather etc...

like what?

>>What personal data was used? 

50 Million -

Everything including your pets names, to the Russians, then to Trumps campaign, then Trumps used to the data to win his election, then trying to sell all the personal data again to anyone who's interested.

Most prominently those folks who filled out political surveys. Then, when they had that data, facebook & the Russians are on the streets brokering the data.

who's data wasn't used? 

paranoia runs deep 

The root of all of this is simple. It costs money to run sites and services. When the data gathered won't be able to be sold, paywalls will sprout like crabgrass. 

Facebook is just like the people that use it.  Good and bad...

I don't have an account  

>>paranoia runs deep

Until it tips the votes in states like Ohio and we end up Trump.

>>I don't have an account  

95% of here are not on Facebook.

Love me the Viva

New York is always trying to influence Ohio. 

https://twitter.com/leoncfu/status/976098600911597568

Facebook and Google are at the center of surveillance capitalism that drives the Internet. Bitcoin and blockchain are humanity’s hope to break this model, where we own and control our own data instead of giant corporations owning all of us.

Leon Fu added,

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This is not a data breach. It's worse - it's their business model. If your core business is building a massive surveillance system, the data will eventually be misused. Whether it is breached, hacked, misappropriated, or sold is irrelevant. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/opinion/facebook-cambridge-analytica....…

7:10 AM - 20 Mar 2018

Facebook users.

Are you a customer or commodity?

Yeah, cause transactions on a public ledger are the way to privacy.

bitcoin will save the word brahs 

let me google that...

oh wait...

if you are online you are pretty much giving up privacy.

they own the instagrams too...

i just got a nice piece of artwork from it.

What poor people data are they using? 

>> if you are online you are pretty much giving up privacy.

Bullshit, there is a huge difference between facebook and a site you can browse in incognito mode without logging in.

turtle, ender is very smart 

Social media is free because the commodity it is selling isn’t the platform, it's you.

What part of me is getting sold? My photos or my likes? 

>>What poor people data are they using? 

For you? I don't know?

Hows about

Enough data 12 years from now to screw up being to get a mortgage or a college loan for your child; because there are few version OF YOU around the world.

i know bro.

you do TOR enders?

>>>>Enough data 12 years from now to screw up being to get a mortgage or a college loan for your child; because there are few version OF YOU around the world.

how do they do that with pics and likes data?

>>Social media is free because

There are adds on 99% of the internet's social media, not making it free.

It is that exact issue. Most folks are on social media and are being subliminally influenced, thinking its free.  My time is money....

>> you do TOR enders?

I fucked around with it 10 years ago. I'm not sure I trust the concentration of exit nodes. If someone owns a significant amount of them, I wonder how effective tor actually is for privacy.

Slack - In a nutshell.

The business of social media is to harvest and sell information about you, through various means. All social media companies — not just Facebook, but Instagram, YouTube, Twitter, Google, Reddit, and a range of other apps and services — work this way. 

*** They profit by profiling you, targeting posts to you that will keep you engaged on the platform, and collecting more data to make that targeting more precise, and thus more valuable. The more social media you use, the more overlapping, cross-referenced data you are providing (especially since bigger platforms tend to buy or develop smaller ones, like how Facebook bought Instagram and WhatsApp, so they all connect data sets). And any interested party can gain access to that data relatively easily. 

It doesn’t matter if you don’t use your feeds for politics; your feeds are using you for politics.

TOR is acutely quite simple to use 

but i'm not looking to buy a small child or fentanyl  

What aspect of me is being used for politics? 

there are a lot of privacy coins

zcash is my favorite 

so there are ways to have a ledger and still have privacy 

I use Facebook to keep up with family around the world and a few friends.

I use a pseudonym

They all know who "John" is.

>> there are a lot of privacy coins

>> zcash is my favorite 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2011221.0

Private, unless your the state calls you a criminal. LOL security backdoors.

listen man you can knock it all day for all i care

it's the future and nothing you Google is going to change that 

Fuck facts...Anybody but Hillary!

I don't post much on the facebooks. However, I do see pop-up ads on my computer for what my wife is browsing for on Amazon. I think its grrrreat!

lol spelled backwards is still lol

so fb is why we have trump?

i thought it was a bunch of old racist white guys 

I didn't vote for Trump. 

>> so fb is why we have trump?

This debate, and the Russian interference debate, etc have nothing to do with de-legitimizing Trump's presidency. It's about identifying it and making changes for the next election. I think.

Facebook and Google are at the center of surveillance capitalism that drives the Internet. Bitcoin and blockchain are humanity’s hope to break this model, where we own and control our own data instead of giant corporations owning all of us.

I don't know if I buy into bitcoin being humanity's hope but there is a lot to like about blockchainand personal information. I know people are working on blockchains to provide modular permissions of personal data so when you go to Faggle you can decide what personal information you will allow the site to see and use. The problem being that the majority of people can't be bothered with individual settings on anything. Most just want it to work. The other side to that coin is that you will see sites that basically say unless you allow us a certain level of your personal data, you won't be able to use our site. Under the guise of thwarting "scalpers" that is what TM is working on. The only way you will be able to buy a ticket to a show is if you allow them the level they want with your data. Say no, and no ticky. 

every app on your phone makes you give them access to the whole fucking device.

>> Facebook and Google are at the center of surveillance capitalism that drives the Internet. Bitcoin and blockchain are humanity’s hope to break this model, where we own and control our own data instead of giant corporations owning all of us.

No one tell Chacho ZCash is a corporate controlled coin.

I know exactly what it is smart guy

Tinder 1.0 so sorry!

Time for Suckerberg and Sandbagberg to do some explaining on the hill.

lol

<<<<<<<<<The business of social media is to harvest and sell information about you, through various means. All social media companies — not just Facebook, but Instagram, YouTube, Twitter, Google, Reddit, and a range of other apps and services — work this way. 

Is the ZONE selling my information?. If so, where's my cut!

I have a Facebook empire!  Well, maybe not be an empire, perhaps more of a feudal thing...   would explain the mud slinging and Trebuchet usage, but it's all mine!  Well, a lot of it is actually about mining, and it's interesting observing the dynamics over the years.

A musician friend shamed me onto FB in 2009, so I started off with musician friends, and musician based spam.  Later, started getting high school friends (and those reunion sites spam),  hospital coworkers (medical / radiology spam), and after breaking my leg and losing that world, it's been mining spam (took one of my hobbies full time).  

Interesting observations;

I'm approaching 3,000 likes on my biz page (mining).  80% are men, 80% use phones,  most likes are local, but i've got at least 2 followers from over 45 countries.  Folks do most of their viewing during normal biz hours.  If I tried to sell gold or sapphires I had great luck at first, then FB started asking for $ for greater coverage, I declined.  After that first offer, if I put $, or "for sale", etc, the post won't get seen, even by folks actively looking for it (know i'm currently selling)...  I've figured out ways around that, but it's been a curious ride.  Definitely cheaper / better exposure than the webpage, but it takes work to get your name out there, and I don't give a rats ass, lol.    

So here's looking at you kid, make sure you get my data...  oh, speaking of data, just got a survey from the CDC,  they really get into detail on all the different kinds of cheese and yogurt you eat, not sure what that's all about...   lactose intolerant industry? 

Good enough.

FB does suck.

>>turtle, ender is very smart 

still buys porn at a truck stop?!

^ HA! Yes, maybe he can buy a BetaMax machine from Stu.

lol

I find my porn in the woods.

Facebook is evil, I never joined and am glad I didn’t.

Bunch of paranoid motherfuckers.  Facebook is evil, lol.

<<<<<<<I find my porn in the woods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_3HckaGywE

3 minute mark

Kill Your facebook account 

Former Facebook executive and WhatsApp cofounder says to delete facebook.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/20/17145200/brian-acton-delete-facebook-...

Zuckerberg on instant messages in the early days. He was never ethical.

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

Not on FB nor is my wife and son. We just don't like social media. But I imagine between aps, PayPal , Apple Account, Amazon ect. I'm sure plenty of my data is out there anyway being sold to list brokers and pay per click advertisers and anyplace else they sell us as leads and whatever else the data can be used for.

This practice has been going on long b4 FB existed in other ways by other companies w the technology and data available to them at the time. 

Maybe the government should ban FB

"

   Can Consumers' Online Data Be Protected?

Everything online is hackable. This is true for Equifax's data and the

federal Office of Personal Management's data, which was hacked in 2015.

If information is on a computer connected to the Internet, it is

vulnerable.

But just because everything is hackable doesn't mean everything will be

hacked. The difference between the two is complex, and filled with

defensive technologies, security best practices, consumer awareness, the

motivation and skill of the hacker and the desirability of the data. The

risks will be different if an attacker is a criminal who just wants

credit card details -- and doesn't care where he gets them from -- or

the Chinese military looking for specific data from a specific place.

The proper question isn't whether it's possible to protect consumer

data, but whether a particular site protects our data well enough for

the benefits provided by that site. And here, again, there are

complications.

In most cases, it's impossible for consumers to make informed decisions

about whether their data is protected. We have no idea what sorts of

security measures Google uses to protect our highly intimate Web search

data or our personal e-mails. We have no idea what sorts of security

measures Facebook uses to protect our posts and conversations.

We have a feeling that these big companies do better than smaller ones.

But we're also surprised when a lone individual publishes personal data

hacked from the infidelity site AshleyMadison.com, or when the North

Korean government does the same with personal information in Sony's

network.

Think about all the companies collecting personal data about you -- the

websites you visit, your smartphone and its apps, your

Internet-connected car -- and how little you know about their security

practices. Even worse, credit bureaus and data brokers like Equifax

collect your personal information without your knowledge or consent.

So while it might be possible for companies to do a better job of

protecting our data, you as a consumer are in no position to demand such

protection.

Government policy is the missing ingredient. We need standards and a

method for enforcement. We need liabilities and the ability to sue

companies that poorly secure our data. The biggest reason companies

don't protect our data online is that it's cheaper not to. Government

policy is how we change that.

This essay appeared as half of a point/counterpoint with Priscilla

Regan, in a CQ Researcher report titled "Privacy and the Internet."

http://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre2018020900

>Government policy is the missing ingredient. 

what shouldn't the government be involved in ?

what you do with or to your body.

Ironic that on the same day there are headlines deriding Facebook for privacy concerns, yet headlines lauding the FBI/Austin PD for tracking down the bomber with heavy duty surveillance techniques.

<<<<<what shouldn't the government be involved in ?

Wars in the Middle East

>Ironic that on the same day there are headlines deriding Facebook for privacy concerns, yet headlines lauding the FBI/Austin PD for tracking down the bomber with heavy duty surveillance techniques.

just another day in merica 

Paraquat!!

subsidizing corporations...

imperialism...

>>>>>>Ironic that on the same day there are headlines deriding Facebook for privacy concerns, yet headlines lauding the FBI/Austin PD for tracking down the bomber with heavy duty surveillance techniques.

The Boston marathon bombing movie showed how law enforcement agency (FBI) used video surveillance from businesses on a whole city block that had camera's. Same technique was probably used in Austin.

Thinking more about the facial recognition, triangulating cell pings and the like.

neds not doing anything wrong

If not wearing any pants isn't wrong than I'm OK.

Facebook sucks! I have an account under a pseudonym, which I abandoned about 6 weeks ago, not because of any data breaches, but because the overall FB content is almost void of good original content, hopelessly dumbed down and cluttered with stupid, sophomoric memes and videos that people mindlessly share with remarkable volume. A bunch of meaningless dribble at internet speed. I felt increasingly stupider every time I logged on, so I bailed. My world is better without that dumb shit.

FB was ok for a while to catch up with old friends, share photos, and satisfy curiosity about what that girl in high school looks like now in her 50s. Then it got increasingly pathetic during the 2016 election campaign, and has stayed as pathetic as possible. People who I thought were intelligent free thinkers appear to be naive, gullible, emotionally unstable, non thinking idiot sheep who get their info from daily click bait propaganda and think it's real and important. What a joke. I couldn't stand it any longer, and haven't missed it at all.

So now I'm lurking here more often. At least it is possible to have a provocative or controversial discussion here, and get some good laughs in between all the stupid shit. On Facebook, the cultural norm apparently is to only comment if you agree and support the premise of your friend's post, and never disagree or be critical. A vast, vapid, superficial  boring wasteland, it is. Unless one has a specific business interest, there is no good reason to be on Facebook. It's a total waste of time. Good riddance. 

Is this a good thing or just plain scary?

(2 minute read)

Two-thirds of American adults get news from social media: survey

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-internet-socialmedia/two-thirds-o...

Where do you get your news? 

Thanks for this ^

I don't use FB or any other social media sites. I almost never use my cell phone - it's only for emergencies on road trips. It's turned off the rest of the time. I don't answer surveys. Obviously I don't want to get hacked. But...

...how do the personalized ads really hurt me? I long ago learned how to ignore ads, and even if the ad itself is interesting and well-made, I've trained myself to instantly forget who the vendor is.

Plus I use ad-block and rarely see ads online anyway.

I don't like the idea of anyone mining or selling my purchasing history, but as long as it doesn't include my actual personal data (SSN, etc.) I don't think it hurts me much.

>>> I don't think it hurts me much.

I think the damage is done more to society as this Cambridge Analytica stuff sort of undermines the democratic process for everyone.

I permanently deleted my FB account last week and am feeling pretty good about it....  definitely rewiring my brain to not jump to the URL bar and type an "F" and hit enter.

When my wife takes a picture of my son, she shares it on Facebook and my family sees it wherever they are. 

It's wonderful.