Indictment in Georgia

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It's not clear who's been indicted yet, but the grand jury did hand up criminal charges.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/14/us/trump-indictment-georgia-elec...

Making popcorn .....

"They say nobody has been indicted more than me.  It's truly amazing."

How long before Kemp/ Ga Repubs try to remove Fani Willis?

 

^I don't see that coming close to happening. Those guys seem proud of their system and are not particularly fond of dumbo for trying to subvert it all....as disappointed/confused as they were when Biden won their state.

I have seen some interesting points that could/may lead to a change to Federal court for this case as these actions did occurr while he was still President (but I hope not....wow. fuck this guy already.)

^let's see if any GA officials are caught up in the indictment...

Trump Indicted in 2020 Election Interference Case in Georgia

Former President Donald J. Trump and 18 others face conspiracy charges related to attempts to overturn the state’s results and subvert the will of voters.

Former President Donald J. Trump and 18 others, including some of his former lawyers and top aides, have been indicted by an Atlanta grand jury in a sweeping racketeering case focused on Mr. Trump’s efforts to reverse the results of the 2020 election in Georgia.

The indictment — handed up after a single, extra-long day of testimony — is an unprecedented challenge of presidential misconduct by a local prosecutor. It brings charges against some of his most prominent advisers, including Rudolph W. Giuliani, his former personal lawyer, and Mark Meadows, who served as White House chief of staff at the time of the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/14/us/trump-indictment-georgia-elec...

Willis will be making a statement any minute now.

RICO Conspiracy...

commence the flipping and  back-stabbing

> RICO Conspiracy

Top count of 40 in all.

And here's the full Indictment:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/georgia-indictment-trump/daed97d3...

Too bad, so sad.

Loser!

> "unindicted co-conspirators Individual 1 through Individual 30"

Sounds like at least 30 folks who could be flippers.

They call him Flipper, Flipper, Flipper! faster than lightning,,,

(Or was it Lightspeed , I forget the rest of the song if I were to guess...) oh what a dream to fast as can be. (? I refuse to Google it lol)

 

How did Lindsay escape?

The minimum sentence for the RICO charge is 5 years. No pardons, no time off for good behavior, no delays because of any political office or job responsibility.

Rudy knows - he basically took down the leading mob families in NYC on RICO charges. Rudy knows that his only chance of not dying in prison is to turn on Trump.

RICO.

Suave.

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by Madison McFerrin

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> Rudy knows that his only chance of not dying in prison is to turn on Trump.

Add to that the fact that Rudy's already going broke paying lawyers, and he seems like a prime candidate to flip.

Are their any Black Trans judges in Fulton County?

as the worm turns.

I'm not sure but I think the time to flip has passed, and it is beautiful to see Rudy going down on RICO charges brought by a black prosecutor. 

I watched a documentary recently about Rudy. This was made at the hight of his popularity. Post 9/11 pre sucking Trumps cock. The interviewer was talking about how he grew up in the same neighborhood as the Gambino crime family he put away with the Federal RICO laws. He asked him if he could have seen himself on the other side if he hadn't become a prosecutor, and he didn't say NO. He paused and thought about it a long time and said he could easily have become a mobster under slightly different circumstances. They guy never cared about shit, and only saw the prosecutors office and the mob as different teams. 

I was under the impression that, after reading several reports on it, that Con Don's dupes were largely  paying many/most of all legal fees by way of PAC donations which may be designed to help reduce some of the flipping? He is trying to minimize the severity of the charges while also trying to maintain a united front but it should eventually sink in. Maybe. As has been said, this particular case will be long and tedious with so many defendants and the possibly of many multiple cross-examinations while at the same time RICO charges are hard to beat and carry a minimum 5 year sentence.

Trump, by way of his PAC, has been paying legal fees for his co-defendants so far (Walt Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira in the documents case), and has also paid for legal representation for some Mar-a-Lago employees who were called as witnesses in the documents case. But will he cover the legal fees that will be incurred by all 18 of his co-defendants in the Georgia case? That seems like a stretch to me.

> I'm not sure but I think the time to flip has passed

I think the time to cut a sweet deal for cooperating has passed, but I believe a defendant can change his tune at any time during the proceedings.

Yep, I guess there isn't enough campaign money to go around and this is only regarding Indictment #3. LOL

"Donald Trump's Alleged Co-Conspirators Are Already Turning on Each Other to Avoid Jail Time: Report"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-s-alleged-co-conspi...

In Painkiller, arthur sackler berates his son richard for hiring giuliani to help craft the purdue pharma setttlement.  Vulture.com provided the apology to krill everywhere....lol.  

"He rants at Richard about the foolishness of “lawyering up with the lowest, filthiest krill specimen on earth,” going on to describe Giuliani as “a swamp creature [who will leave Purdue] permanently covered in a very specific flavor of shit that will never wash off!” This characterization is grossly unfair to krill, who lead what appear to be blameless underwater lives wholly unrelated to criminal conspiracies that lead to the preventable and senseless deaths of over 500,000 people and who, on those grounds alone, don’t deserve to be associated with the likes of Rudy Giuliani."

Well it was reported today that Jenna Ellis his former lawyer turned conservative TV star will not be getting her legal bills paid by Trump because she has said some nice things about DeSantis. 

I am constantly baffled by all the people who continue to willingly associate with Trump. He has left a trail of wreckage behind him. I mean there are already close to 500 of his followers currently serving time for being stupid enough to follow him. 

Hitler issued a stamp celebrating his time in jail for his failed coup years earlier after he was elected into power. 

Who needs Trump money when you've got the Lord?

F The Guy and His Cronies !

 

Mark My WORD ~ Trump Will NEVER Be President Again !  He IS a SCUM BAG From HELL.

Un-fucking-believable. lol

Not that I think it will happen, but just for shits & giggles it would be interesting to see him convicted on this one and also win the presidency.

If I understand correctly (which I almost certainly don't) since this in not a federal crime, as President he wouldn't be able to pardon himself (and tell me that a system that allows for an elected official to be able to pardon themselves after a conviction isn't a seriously flawed system).

So if he is convicted and also wins the election, The President of the United States would be running the country and the free world from an 8 X 10 cell somewhere in Georgia.

Tell me that wouldn't be a hoot, and the ultimate example of the failure of the American experiment.

Also the Governor can't pardon in Georgia one of only two states like that. My guess is the no pardon rule had some racist legacy where they didn't want a state wide elected official to be able to overturn convictions from some Marjorie Taylor Green county. Things are indeed changing and the people in MTG's district must be loosing their minds right about now. 

No gag order there yet... so in a nutshell, all the stuff they've had a couple years now to show us??

> the ultimate example of the failure of the American experiment.

I think you could just as well argue it's an example of the success of the American experiment. Even though a criminal can be elected President, we're still a nation of laws.

Atta' boy Mike.

Keep it positive.

I actually was thinking more along the lines of how a proven soulless, brainless, two-penny con man criminal failure could still garner enough votes to win a second national election. And as hard as it may be to accept, he could very well win again.

"In any given situation there will always be more dumb people than smart people".

But then I suppose that's more of a human experiment fail than just an American experiment one.

But we sure can show 'em how it's done.

Lance, I believe you and I are just about the same age, so I'm sure you have some first-hand memories of the political turmoil of the early 1970s and the downfall of the soulless, brainless, two-penny con man criminal failure known as Richard Milhous Nixon. In many ways, we've been down this road before, and while Trump may have taken us further down the road, what we learned almost 50 years ago is that our institutions are (so far) stronger than any single person.

I'm with you in accepting that Trump could win again, and that brings me no joy. His talent, if he has one, is he knows how to play to people's base instincts and fears, but are his supporters dumb? Some might be, but most, I think, just don't want to think for themselves, and would greatly prefer someone else to tell them what to think. That's why so many of his base identify as Christians. They're already accustomed to being told what to think about themselves and their relationship to everything else, and seem to prefer that easy way to doing the hard work of figuring these things out for themselves.

Six or seven years ago I thought our whole system of government was just about ready to go belly-up, but here we are, still stumbling forward, same as it's ever been. So if Trump gets re-elected, and jailed in Georgia, it will be something like a hoot to see just how fucked up we are in ways, and just how right we are in others.

>>>are his supporters dumb<<<

I suppose we'd have to start with our definition of "dumb".

I'm not sure I know exactly how to define my version. I think we're all dumb in different ways, at different times, but how you just described Donnie's zealots (and Christians) seems to be a pretty good beginning to a definition of dumb.

But I get what you're saying Mike, and a glass half full is always better than a glass half empty, so I tip mine to yours for keeping it half full.

Cheers, Lance.

And nice Phil content, Noodler. lol

It's schadenfreudelicious!

https://news.yahoo.com/jenna-ellis-mocked-invoking-god-175516145.html

Haha.  Bitch, you caught Covid from a Rudy Giuliani fart.  You have already been forsaken.

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I am pretty sure that this is the Republican Base that everyone is fearing 

Well they are posting the jury's names and home addresses on multiple websites.  Horrible fear mongering.   

 

 

The threats will continue to escalate, and won't stop until Trump is no longer in the picture. He manipulates his cult and Jan 6 was a cake walk compared to what he will stir up as it becomes more likely that he will face Justice.

 

Some good news here https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/16/trump-georgia-pardon-00111503

 

> The threats will continue to escalate

Texas Woman Charged With Threatening to Kill Judge in Trump Election Case

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/16/us/politics/woman-arrested-death-thre...

From TPM Reader AC who knows quite a bit about the history of the racketeering statutes.

Can I remind people that no president in history has ever acted MORE STEREOTYPICALLY LIKE A GANGSTER than Trump?  He owned casinos.  He has deep connections in the New York City construction industry.  His son-in-law’s father did time for extortion.  He calls people who inform on him “rats.”  He bullies.  He threatens to expose people’s private shame to obtain endorsements.  He filled his administration with pro wrestling magnates and failed movie producers.  His campaign manager’s family made their money building jai alai frontons in Connecticut.  One of his top advisors was Felix Sater, an alleged organized crime figure who has done time for stabbing a guy in the face.  His former personal attorney got his start hanging out at a Russian gangster social club. 

Do I need to go on?  If Trump wants to suggest the law wasn’t intended for men like him, then perhaps he should try acting like a normal politician or businessman rather than a crime lord from a movie

>Among the 18 other people charged in former President Donald Trump's Georgia election racketeering case is Rev. Stephen Cliffgard Lee, an Illinois pastor and former police chaplain who is accused of trying to coerce two Georgia poll workers into falsely providing evidence of fraud...

...Freeman and her daughter, Shaye Moss, testified to the House January 6 Select Committee that the false claims pushed by Trump operatives destroyed their lives and subjected them to endless harassment and threats. Their testimony reportedly was a major point that stuck with the grand jury that issued the indictments.

“Neither the reverend nor I were ever contacted by anyone from Fulton County,” Shestokas told The Daily Beast. “We were quite surprised by the reverend's indictment since Fulton County had not even been able to make a case in an Illinois court that Rev. Lee was a material witness. With that in mind, we were quite astounded to learn of his indictment as a defendant.”

He added that “There is nothing in terms of cooperation… What is there? You know, what’s there to cooperate with?”

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2Fpastor-t...

 

Trump cancels planned 'Press Conference' which he said he'd reveal evidence of election fraud. 

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/18/1194559233/trump-cancels-press-conference...—%20Former%20President%20Donald,face%20trial%20in%20two%20criminal

"Rather than releasing the Report on the Rigged & Stolen Georgia 2020 Presidential Election on Monday, my lawyers would prefer putting this, I believe, Irrefutable & Overwhelming evidence of Election Fraud & Irregularities in formal Legal Filings as we fight to dismiss this disgraceful Indictment," Trump wrote on his social media site Thursday in announcing his reversal...Trump has made clear that he sees the cases brought against him in Georgia and Washington as an opportunity to try to relitigate his false claims.

So his defense will be built on a foundation of already discredited bullshit then. This is great news for right-thinking people.

Not part of the Georgia indictment, just more good news about the defendant facing multiple charges in multiple jurisdictions: 

 

>Former Vice President Mike Pence said on Sunday that he knew of no widespread declassification of documents by President Donald J. Trump when they were in the White House together, refuting one of the former president’s main defenses against charges of endangering national security.

Mr. Trump, who has been indicted on 40 felony counts and accused of taking war plans and other secret documents with him when he left office and refusing to return many of them, has long insisted that he had issued a “standing order” to declassify papers and that any he brought home were automatically declassified.

But his vice president became the latest former Trump administration official to say that he had heard of no such edict. “I was never made aware of any broad-based effort to declassify documents,” Mr. Pence said in an interview on ABC’s “This Week”on Sunday.

“There is a process that the White House goes through to declassify materials,” Mr. Pence added. “I’m aware of that occurring on several cases over the course of our four years. But I don’t have any knowledge of any broad-based directive from the president. But that doesn’t mean it didn’t occur; it’s just not something that I ever heard about.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/20/us/politics/pence-trump-classified-do...

ABC News reported this weekend that Mark Meadows has said pretty much the same thing.

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/20/trump-mark-meadows-classified-docs-doj-...

Right,  except Meadows is just another listless vessel who changes his  story regularly. 

Georgia has set Trump's  bail at $200,000. 

Guess they don't consider him a flight risk?

Listless vessels don't fly. I think they're doing it because they can.

The Bond is $200,000

I'm not a gambler but

there's a bunch of betting lines on the arraignment

If he smiles for the mug shot or not

what color tie he'll wear

how much he weighs

etc.

>With a STFU clause.
 

 

as if he's ever going to STFU 
 


 

I was kinda bummed he didn't have anything to say at his canceled news conference yesterday. I'd really like to see him hang himself, with words, or in the literal sense would be fine too.

from Mother Jones:


>Trump on Monday predictably took his complaints straight to the internet, attacking prosecutor Fani Willis as a part of the “radical left,” He then appeared to mock the seriousness of the bail terms by joking that he would flee for “Russia, Russia, Russia,” to hang out in a “gold domed suite” with Vladimir Putin.

>>>MUG SHOT:  https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218205757

 

Meanwhile, Melania sees an opening to update her Tinder profile. ;)

More good news

>A Trump employee who monitored security cameras at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate abruptly retracted his earlier grand jury testimony and implicated Trump and others in obstruction of justice just after switching from an attorney paid for by a Trump political action committee to a lawyer from the federal defender’s office in Washington, prosecutors said in a court filing Tuesday.

The aide — described as “Trump Employee 4” in public court filings but identified elsewhere as Yuscil Taveras — held the title of director of information technology at Mar-a-Lago. He initially testified to a grand jury in Washington, D.C., that he was unaware of any effort to erase the videos, but after getting the new attorney “immediately … retracted his prior false testimony” and detailed the alleged effort to tamper with evidence related to the investigation of the handling of classified information stored at Trump’s Florida home, the new submission said.

Special counsel Jack Smith’s team revealed the details of the employee’s about-face as part of a filing demanded by Florida-based U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon, who is overseeing the classified records case against the former president.

https://news.yahoo.com/prosecutors-trump-mar-lago-security-220114774.htm...


 

 . . . faster than lightning . . .

We are going to see what this country is about over the course of this next year. We best not fail!

And Randy Rainbow does it again! "Don't Arraign On His Parade! "   https://youtu.be/596N4aPnjrs

The hits just keep on comin'.

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Winning!

And yet another winner.  (Smile! Jesus loves you edition)

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which is so much fewer than his indictments

 

More famous than Jesus!

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His hair is perfect.

...yea, but how much does he weigh? LOL

It's the most perfect piss-colored combover ever.

Inmate PO1135809 for President!

LMAO laugh 

Jenny I got your number...

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Strawberry blonde

Mean Mr. Mustard

House of Cards continues  to crumble

 

>Shawn Still, a Georgia Republican charged alongside former President Donald Trump in a racketeering conspiracy to subvert the 2020 election, says he signed false papers claiming to be a legitimate presidential elector at Trump’s direction."

"Mr. Still, as a presidential elector, was also acting at the direction of the incumbent president of the United States,” his attorney Thomas Bever said Thursday. “The president’s attorneys instructed Mr. Still and the other contingent electors that they had to meet and cast their ballots on Dec. 14, 2020.”

Still is among three false electors charged in the indictment, according to the report.

 

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this just in:

little man big afraid

The Devil went down to Georgia...

You beat me to it, Surfdead.  I doubt the orange one can play the fiddle, much less Fire On The Mountain.  Hope he gets plenty of time to learn behind bars.

Maybe it's the camera angle, but Trump kinda looks like he's had a stroke. The left side of his face (on the right in the pic) looks like it's drooping compared to the other side. Like it's melting.

Poor Mr. Peanut.  First they kill him off, then Rudy steals his outfit.

>yea, but how much does he weigh?

Apparently a "pre-reported" 6'3" 215 lbs. Yea right. He supposedly weighed 239 lbs at a 2018 physical exam and has surely not lost weight since. No way is he even close to 6' either. He is already appearing to be getting special treatment.

>The left side of his face (on the right in the pic) looks like it's drooping compared to the other side. Like it's melting<

Mike it's not melting, it's molting -- reptilians do that.

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What's the "PO" in front of the number stand for? 

Cute, Noodler, but house arrest just won't do, I'm afraid. I think Trump should be assigned to the Peachtree State version of the Epstein Suite.

He's trying to hide his wattle.

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The prosecutor in GA just roasted Gym Jordan for trying to interfere in the case. Here is one excerpt but the whole thing is worth reading starting on page 5.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23941366-jim-jordan-letter

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