"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."
I was bummed to see this one. So creepy to see how people take advantage of whatever power they may have over people.
I mean, it's not like I've never asked a woman to watch me masturbate (we all have, right?), it's one of the first pick up lines we learn.
Can you imagine all the famous or once famous men in Hollywood who are scared as shit because they know they've used their power to do terrible things to women?
It must be like they are just waiting for the shoe to fall. Who's next?
idk it seems like he is just a perv. he asked all the women first...they all said yes. i kinda get the power thing, but this all happened before louis was really popular, when he was just writing for TV and pretty much unknown outside of the standup world. seems like he just has a weird kink. afaik its a pretty common kink to want to be watched while masturbating, and if that is your kink, i cant really think of a better way to fulfill that kink than by asking someone if they would like to participate. is there supposed to be an elaborate series of hand gestures or some kind of password system by which you find someone to watch you jerk off and its just me and louis ck that missed the memo? yeah, its creepy, but im not seeing this as some kind of weinstein level sexual assult.
seems like he is struggling with a part of his sexuality, apologized years before this became public, and recognized it was an issue he wanted to work on. having seen almost all of CK's work, this is absolutely no supprise. he's never been specific but the immense self loathing and darkness in his routines had to come from somewhere. he was known as a brutally honest comic, but for some reason people thought when he would talk about being a "prisoner to perverted thoughts" or "the darkness" that he was just talking about eating to many cookies??? he has basically been warning us for years that he is a creepy perv.
looks like his new film is not going to be coming out for awhile, which i am really bummed about, i was really exited to see it and still am. i guess at least this means tickets for his next tour will be cheap and plentiful.
>> he asked all the women first...they all said yes.
Uhh... no they didn't. Did you read the original article? Not even close. I understand the impulse to apologize for him because his self-loathing does come through in his comedy and he's almost pitiable as an individual, but that's not at all an excuse, full stop.
I wish I could remember the sketch were the couple was nearing the wing dang do when they stopped to have the lawyers come in and negotiate the deets of the doo wah diddy.
Totally with people speaking up but damn if I was out there these days I think I would be careful.
>>>"I mean, it's not like I've never asked a woman to watch me masturbate (we all have, right?), it's one of the first pick up lines we learn."
>>Uhm, no and no.
Oh, Thom...don't ever go changing, you white, right wing, sweater vest wearing rock star.
>>>its a pretty common kink to want to be watched while masturbating,
It is?
It's common to want to be watched? I get that you can find basicallyanything and some people are going to be into it (this is a large world) but that's a common fantasy?
I guess I'll take your word for it but...kind having a hard time wrapping my head around it though.
This whole thing has jumped from "he raped me" to "he's a big fucking perv!" with everyone in the moral authority expressing their faux outrage via vapid social media channels.
Well, he has fessed up to it, and says that just because he asked permission didn't make it right:
"At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn't a question. It's a predicament for them."
Meh. Creepy perv. I think Daylight is close to being right. I'll still watch him. Part of his appeal to me has been his brutal self honesty. Anyone not listening to the GD for such activity? Careful in your response. They ALL done wrong to women is my guess. Like someone posted, the rocknroll world is on watch and they are sweating it. Who's Next? (get it, pete townsend the pedo?). In my eyes NO means NO. I am not an apologist for abhorrent behavior. Im stating that I am still able to enjoy his work. Like creepy musicians.
Separating the art from the artist has always been a problem.
>>>But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn't a question. It's a predicament for them."
To me, that's complete bullshit. He knew it was wrong and he knew why it was wrong. He knew the women didn't want to be there, that they wouldn't be there if he wasn't in the position he was in.
It would have come off better if he admitted he knew it was wrong at the time and was fucked up enough to do it anyway--at least that would have sounded more genuine.
>>>Uhh... no they didn't. Did you read the original article? Not even close.
the original NYT article says one of the women did say yes, and the other two laughed, and then stayed until after he came. if i did not want to watch a man jerk off, i would 1) say no, and 2) leave the room if he started.
im not saying these women asked him to, or enjoyed it, but it does not sound like he forced anybody into anything.
"I see piss comin' I move, she see piss comin' she stay."
>>>its a pretty common kink to want to be watched while masturbating,
It is?
It's common to want to be watched? I get that you can find basicallyanything and some people are going to be into it (this is a large world) but that's a common fantasy?
I guess I'll take your word for it but...kind having a hard time wrapping my head around it though.
think about the sterotype of the "flasher", the man in a trench coat exposing himself. its common enough to be an easily recognizable stereotype. i think also the phenomenon of men sending women unsolicited dick pics thru social media and tinder is also due to exhibitionist fantasy.
Anyone not listening to the GD for such activity? Careful in your response. They ALL done wrong to women is my guess.
"Well, she was just 14, but she had the body of an 8 year old."
>> if i did not want to watch a man jerk off, i would 1) say no, and 2) leave the room if he started.
Easy to say as a hypothetical. But my sense is that it's quite a bit different when the man has enormous pull in your industry, which is already very difficult for women to break into, and you know that if you react badly or expose him that might be the end of your career. There's a lot more going on than just some flabby prick pulling out his shabby dick.
>>>Did you miss the part where he blocked the door of the hotel room when they tried?
During Ms. Goodman and Ms. Wolov’s surreal visit to Louis C.K.’s Aspen hotel room, they said they were holding onto each other, screaming and laughing in shock, as Louis C.K. masturbated in a chair. “We were paralyzed,” Ms. Goodman said.
i did not see that anywhere in the article, sounds like he was sitting down while they laughed, and instead of trying to leave, felt paralyzed...where are you getting this about him blocking the door and them trying to leave?
>>>Easy to say as a hypothetical. But my sense is that it's quite a bit different when the man has enormous pull in your industry, which is already very difficult for women to break into, and you know that if you react badly or expose him that might be the end of your career. There's a lot more going on than just some flabby prick pulling out his shabby dick.
for sure, i think louis touched on that several times in his statement/apology, and at the same time this is not louis in 2016 we are talking about, this was in 2002 when he was a nobody...at that time his last project was writing the movie "Pootie Tang"...not exactly a household name or someone with alot of power in the industry.
it was a fucked up thing to do, for sure.
most people generally dont deal with character flaws like this until it becomes a serious issue in their life, but that does not mean people cant make a sincere effort to change and that does not invalidate their art.
im sure no zoners have ever hurt another person, had sexual issues, done anything they regret or lied to anybody.
Sounds like he guy has some perversion issues. Should seek help in rehab for sex addiction. Obviously has a masturbation issue. Am I ready to put him in he same league as Harvey and Cosby? Not quite but still the guy obviously has some issues. I think it’s pretty odd they took down his stuff from HBO. If we were to get rid of all the art created by artists with sexual issues they’re wouldn’t be much left.
>>>>>If we were to get rid of all the art created by artists with sexual issues they’re wouldn't be much left.<<<<
^^^^^This is it in a "nut" shell..
Most people including artists have lots of issues. All the hurtful acts being reported are a testament to our ability to separate art from the artist. Looks like freedom of speech and censorship are holding a few high cards. Resist and buckle up.
Make art
Make friends
Be nice to people
All these things might be tough to handle when you become a gazillionare.
of course there is a difference, one only harms yourself while one harms others...i dont think anyone here is trying to say that what he did was ok at all.
just seems really indicative of a society that is still wrapped up so much in conservative christian beliefs on so many levels, that chris brown can still sell double platinum records after beating the shit out of his girlfriend and having it proven in court(dude isnt even allowed to enter AUS, NZ and the UK but america will still accept him as a pop culture icon), but a guy showing a handful of girls his dick is a career ending, nuclear fallout situation.
>> just seems really indicative of a society that is still wrapped up so much in conservative christian beliefs on so many levels, that chris brown can still sell double platinum records after beating the shit out of his girlfriend and having it proven in court(dude isnt even allowed to enter AUS, NZ and the UK but america will still accept him as a pop culture icon)
Lot of America doesn't accept him, and the part that does should have stopped years ago.
Would suggest that also has a lot to do with the fact that his victim was a black woman. You think if he was dating Katy Perry and beat her up and pictures of her bruised and swollen face were on magazine covers, he'd still be on a major label? I doubt it
Woody Allen's new movie is still set to premiere on December 1st. Roman Polanski just had a new movie at Cannes over the summer and was recently honored in Paris.
Ultimately it's about the money of course. The leaders and lawyers at these media companies see which way the tide has gone since Weinstein and are acting accordingly by cutting people off as credible allegations come out. They're just business decisions. But most positive change happens when what benefits business lines up with what's moral and right, so have to take the change as we can get it.
>> i did not see that anywhere in the article, sounds like he was sitting down while they laughed, and instead of trying to leave, felt paralyzed...where are you getting this about him blocking the door and them trying to leave?
In 2012, Gawker published the story “Which Beloved Comedian Likes to Force Female Comics to Watch Him Jerk Off? ” about “our nation's most hilarious stand-up comic and critically cherished sitcom auteur” who “adds a thrilling twist to his onanistic escapades: He traps unsuspecting women in his hotel room and makes them stick around until he's done.” It described an incident at the Aspen Comedy Festival where he started masturbating in front of two female comedians who had joined him in his room, blocking the door until he finished. C.K. wasn’t named, but commenters pointed to him.
I watched some Curb Your Enthusiasm after the bad news yesterday, it was so oddly refreshing.
Now, that Larry David, now there's a guy who I'm sure has never acted out a weird kink or strange fantasy ever in his life.
Oh wait that's all dudes. Oh, ALL dudes do whacky shit? Oh yeah that's right. It's just a matter of checking oneself, checking the situation, and not be doing any harm to others (although you want to keep checking, communication with someone you are involved with sexually might I dont know, be a good thing? ).
>> I'd have a really hard time watching the guy in anything at this point, but then I was never a huge fan.
That's funny. I was just listening to some Chuck Berry. I heard he had some rather, uh, unusual interests? Interesting.. quirks?
Exactly also lights are off because they don't want to attract the insects while theyre carrying tiki torches to the university library in protest of the liberals and their racial mixing.
Uncle Sam, the point is to separate the person from the art. And yes they’re are many artists who had sexual issues at some point. You could prob throw a rock and hit a woman to claim sexual assault against members of the Grateful Dead. According to Barlow “the scene was about as mysognistic as it gets”. Pigeon talking about “I don’t care if she’s only 15 years of age.” They should just take down all the GD stuff off the archive. Ban it, right? Pretty stupid they removed his shows and stand up from HBO. Really doesn’t have anything to do these allegations. Sexual predators are hot right now in the news. Shits selling like hot cakes.
^You’re pretty naive. Hollywood/TV has been making money off of sexual predators for years. They don’t give a fuck about that. It’s political. I’m sure producers are quite “shameful” of how they make their money through movies and television. Come on now.
>>>>>>if i owned HBO or netflix i'd feel like a creep making money off of and for sexual predators. society shouldn't reward people for abusive behavior.
I think if you own a company that big you sold your soul long ago and wouldn’t really care.
Nope. But these owners of big businesses like HBO and Netflix don’t give a shit. They’re trying to make themselves look good. Soon as the storm has quotes down they’ll throw that shit right back up there.
so you think they shouldn't pull his material because it is an insincere gesture made to look good to the public or do you think it shouldn't be pulled because something else?
or do you feel it should be pulled, but are saying they are doing it for the wrong reasons?
>>This whole thing has jumped from "he raped me" to "he's a big fucking perv!" with everyone in the moral authority expressing their faux outrage via vapid social media channels.<<
Exactly. I don't think Louis CK is a sexual predator, and I don't think women were permanently scarred if they saw him touch his dick. If they are traumatized by that 20 years later, I'd say there is more to work on than that one experience. If they are still upset about it 20 yrs later, then I understand, and it sounds like that's what he was addressing.
When we start to become the moral police, judging people by their kinks or fetishes, I think it's gone too far.
It seems more like Donald has a strategic plan to disenfranchise Hollywood's "morality" against his very existence.
Let's get back to shining the light on football players, who actually are rapey & violent towards women.
No, I don’t think they should pull his work. Unrelated to the accusations. If an architect turned out to be a sexual predator would they knock down all the buildings he/she designed?
If you honestly think that what is going on with people coming forward about the prevalence of men with power abusing their privilege for sexual gain is really "distraction," from what's going on 'in Trump world,'
>> I wonder if Uncle Sam will ever be able to listen to Pigpens music again. Your mistake is that you're thinking the art/artist separation goes both ways, which it doesn't. It was pretty creepy when Pigpen would sing about not caring if a girl was underage -- but that was the music and the onstage persona. By all accounts, Pig offstage was a quiet loner who was mostly into older women. The art may have been somewhat sketchy, but I don't have reason to believe he actually was harassing underage girls.
Louis CK goes the other direction. It's not the art that's objectionable -- it's the artist. And when that's true, they can't be separated.
Also -- men don't get to decide what women can or can't be traumatized by. There's no "walk it off" for sexual harassment and assault. That attitude is part of why we have such a problem -- it's not just because of the men who commit the harassment and assault, but because of the men who don't think it's a big deal and don't listen to women when they say it is.
What are you talking about, Uncle Sam Louie goes in the other direction? Whatever that means. Seems like Piglen is directly advocating for sexual assault of a minor. Is that the other direction?
>>>it's not just because of the men who commit the harassment and assault, but because of the men who don't think it's a big deal and don't listen to women when they say it is.
Ah. There it is.
It's not just the men who committed these crimes; it's all men, you see.
Why is it all men, Mark? Do you see some of yourself in there and that's why you identify Uncle Sam's statement as an indictment of all men? Guilt by association?
I think Stringwang is correct - it's not all men.
And is it possible that those female industry assistants, etc were also caught up in the abuse of power from (males in higher and influential positions) above and though not sexually harassed themselves - they were still silenced by that power and it's abuse?
So many double and triple standards being expressed here.
While it's perfectly normal and acceptable to "whack it" in the Bank line, or Post Office, or DMV, it's considered 'bad' in a legally - rented hotel room.
Everyone is so PC these days. Back in the 70's, men and women would pleasure themselves in Supermarkets and Department Stores all day long.
Now only Monkeys at the Zoo are allowed. How times have changed.
>>>but I think your words and reactions above speak enough about you that I don't have to add any more to this discussion.
Right. How dare I satirize knee jerk gender bashing by virtue signaling jackoffs; or question who might have been complicit in the predatory institutional sexual assault culture in Hollywood beyond what chromosomes a person carries.
>>> it's not just because of the men who commit the harassment and assault, but because of the men who don't think it's a big deal and don't listen to women when they say it is. <<<
This.
This is about men not listening, not being outraged that women, and some men, but primarily women, are harassed, abused, assaulted, subjected to men's use of power to get their rocks off. Have you ever been in the position of having to decide (on the spot, right now!) how to deal with the sexual advances of someone who is more powerful than you, a boss, a celebrity, someone who is in some way holding power? Most likely not, because you're a man.
Hear women who have felt harassed, abused, assaulted, subjected to men's use of power to get their rocks off, or to hold power over them. Listen, act.
Most of you guys sound like you think this isn't serious, isn't important. Just imagine that it's your daughter, your mother, your sister, your partner... I hope it never is. You put 6 down for his statement, he's listening. Stringtwang knows, others may have said something empathetic, thank you.
Have some fucking empathy. I don't care if you like the guy's art, but that you feel for the women who've been traumatized.
>> What are you talking about, Uncle Sam Louie goes in the other direction? Whatever that means. Seems like Piglen is directly advocating for sexual assault of a minor. Is that the other direction?
I'll see if I can clarify. If we're talking in terms of separating art from the artist, Pigpen made art that was maybe a little questionable, but there was never any evidence that he, the artist, did anything wrong in his non-stage life. So you can separate the art (a little creepy) from the artist (presumably innocent). Louis CK, in contrast, has made art that's basically fine, but his off-stage behavior was unacceptable.
So with Pigpen, the art was questionable, but the artist was fine. With CK, the art is fine, but the artist is not. That's why there's a difference.
>>> It's not just the men who committed these crimes; it's all men, you see.
Judit already articulated it better than I can, but you're missing the point. Not all men are guilty of sexual harassment and assault, but the attitudes of some in this thread that it's not a big deal and women should get over it are part of the reason why men who actually do commit these crimes feel like they can get away with it.
It's certainly true that women in Hollywood/wherever else who have witnessed this behavior and done nothing have some responsibility to speak out too, but it's quite a bit different when the predator is your livelihood and you know if you speak up you'll be fired and blacklisted from the industry for life. It doesn't make it okay, but there are understandable forces pushing in the other direction. To get the culture to change, men in powerful positions in the film industry and elsewhere who have no reason to do nothing besides making money and not caring have to step up.
>> What about Warren Zevon? He did some terrible things as a person but I really love his art.
I'm actually not familiar with his background beyond the alcoholism, but I don't think he was ever accused of sexual assault. If it had to do with bad shit within his family, I think we have a little different standard for that as long as it doesn't rise to physical or sexual violence. In terms of Bobby, you can keep Ace, but if multiple women came out and said he assaulted them in the 70s we might have some tough questions to confront.
>>>>>>>but the attitudes of some in this thread that it's not a big deal and women should get over it are part of the reason why men who actually do commit these crimes feel like they can get away with it.
I totally agree. It’s pretty disgusting. I was in the mountains yesterday and haven’t had a chance to read the whole thread. Who said it’s not a big deal and women should get over it?
I said >>> It's not just about crimes, it's about who is held responsible for their actions and that the culture hasn't changed. <<<
>>> To levy the accusation that men haven't done enough to deal with these crimes is totally disingenuous. <<<
Disingenuous? That is in no way true, Mark. I am sincere and believe completely that misogyny and the balance of power, where women have rarely been listened to and given credence to in industry, politics, etc., has led to my statements. As things are changing, I hope the culture of imbalance is changing, too.
>>>Who said it’s not a big deal and women should get over it?<<<
nobody in this thread. a few of us have spoken about things like society's reaction to sexual issues, seperating the art from the artist, personal struggles/forgiveness, or the mire of what constitutes consent or harassment, and the effects that a position of power can have, or not have, on that.
but i dont think anyone here has implied that its not a big deal and the women need to get over it.
>>>This is about years and years of men ignoring the facts. They've heard about it, and said and done nothing.<<<
as if we have some secret men's cabal where we all gather every month to discuss our continued cultural domination? like the facts were brought in a classified dossier to the secret men's cabal and we all collectively decided to seal them in some underground chamber beneath the bohemian grove?
putting that on all men by just making blanket statements about "men" doing this and "they" do that would be the same as me making comments about how most crime in the country is committed by "the blacks" and "they" need to work on their criminal culture.
yeah, a larger percentage of crime in this country is committed by african-americans, but that does not mean that black people as a group are responsible for that, or that something is wrong with their culture as a whole.
most men i know are just trying to treat people well, get thru life, find a good job, good friends and a good partner. maybe see some shows or take some hikes. i have yet to meet the men who constitute "the patriarchy".
i think so many issues these days mistakenly target gender and race, when it not really a gender or race issue, its an issue of power and of the culture of the wealthy and powerful. lots of women in those positions ignore abuse as well.
That explains why Louis CK was jacking off in front of those women.
I take it you're being sarcastic. Otherwise, I see no explanation for your putting those together and I don't understand it even then...
No, I'm guessing that he got off doing it.
I don't know what to say right now to give you (and Daylight) the information needed for you to see that it was/is not the patriarchy, nor a cabal that made these incidents what they were. It was, however, that men in power have used that power to harass and assault others (mostly women).
>> It was, however, that men in power have used that power to harass and assault others (mostly women).
And other men have participated in a culture, separate from any individual instance of harassment, that is skeptical of women's allegations, often downplays the seriousness of assaults, chooses to ignore or forgive known despicable behavior because of the alleged offender's positive attributes, and deflects valid criticism of the culture with absurdities and finger-pointing. It doesn't make those men evil or and they certainly shouldn't be equated with the actual assaulters, but by expressing these attitudes, they participate in the maintenance of a society that tolerates and condones assault.
>>>>>>And other men have participated in a culture, separate from any individual instance of harassment, that is skeptical of women's allegations, often downplays the seriousness of assaults, chooses to ignore or forgive known despicable behavior because of the alleged offender's positive attributes, and deflects valid criticism of the culture with absurdities and finger-pointing
I had a coworker accuse me of sexual harassment. One day she said that she was psyched that we could be “real” with each other, swear, tell dirty jokes, etc. She even took it upon herself to show me pussy pics of her boyfriend’s Online lover. A few days later she filed some offbeat claim against me.
The shit threw me for a loop. She had never asked me to stop, and had actively participated, at a dirtier level than me. I got the big smack-down from HR. I have no idea why it even happened in the first place.
A few weeks later she levied some other charge against me, that was just outrageous. At that point I told my lawyer to tell the company lawyer I wanted out, and that I wanted to be paid until the end of the contract year. They very quietly agreed. I think that, at that point, they knew that the woman had lied about a lot of stuff.
You live and learn. I no longer even tell coworkers that something looks good on them. Fuck that shit. When a female coworker has said that I look good, or my hair looks good, I tell them that it’s not okay to comment on how something looks on a person.
Uncle Sam, sounds like you’re just giving Pigpen a pass because your a fan, but you sit here and try to give a clinic on feminism. If any music/movie star said “I don’t care if she’s only 14 yrs of age” today then it would make the same headlines as this Louis CK story. On that note though there is evidence of John Mayor doing virtually the same thing and allegations as well. Crickets on that subject. I guess Louie admitted this was true or are these still just allegations? If they are still just allegations and there is no proof then it looks like he’s in the same boat as Pig, as “questionable” by your standards. Again, there’s stories about the Beatles committing sexual abuse. John Lennon’s abuse to women physically. So we should stop playing their music on the radio? Honestly just wondering. Seems like your kinda backing away from your original stance.
I've actually been trying to agree with you on separating artist from the art, I just don't think it makes sense when it's the artist and not the art that's offensive. But please feel free to continue calling me a feminist as if that's some sort of insult
Born to the fanfare of World War II victory parades, Pigpen grew up listening to the blues. His father was a boogie-woogie pianist and R&B DJ on Berkeley radio in the early ‘50s, known as “Cool Breeze”.
Pigpen said in ‘66: “I began singin’ at 16. I wasn’t in school; I was just goofin’. I’ve always been singing along with records – my dad was a disc jockey, and it’s been what I wanted to do.”
>> Briank on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 04:37 pm
I had a coworker accuse me of sexual harassment. One day she said that she was psyched that we could be “real” with each other, swear, tell dirty jokes, etc. She even took it upon herself to show me pussy pics of her boyfriend’s Online lover. A few days later she filed some offbeat claim against me.
The shit threw me for a loop. She had never asked me to stop, and had actively participated, at a dirtier level than me. I got the big smack-down from HR. I have no idea why it even happened in the first place.
A few weeks later she levied some other charge against me, that was just outrageous. At that point I told my lawyer to tell the company lawyer I wanted out, and that I wanted to be paid until the end of the contract year. They very quietly agreed. I think that, at that point, they knew that the woman had lied about a lot of stuff.
You live and learn. I no longer even tell coworkers that something looks good on them. Fuck that shit. When a female coworker has said that I look good, or my hair looks good, I tell them that it’s not okay to comment on how something looks on a person. <<
>> Relates story of being reprimanded for sexual harassment
>> Blames the woman
I think this is more your speed, BrianK. And also, just to be clear:
>> I had a coworker accuse me of who had me reprimanded for sexually harassing her
Unlike you, I’m not afraid to share something personal. I also knew that some idiot could use it in the way you did. If you want to play that, go ahead. It all came out in the wash. I always own my shit. Always.
By the way, that post of yours was terrible. It shows how small you are.
I think that being dismissed from a job shows how small you are, but I think we have different values and that's ok (although I don't think sexual harassment is ok and in that respect I think you're kind of a piece of shit).
Well I literally do have to take a break for now as I have a meeting but just to be clear in your cool story did you or did you not retain employment following allegations of misconduct in a professional setting? If not some might call that being dismissed.
I was 100% honest in the HR questioning. I said what she claimed, and I admitted it. The oddity was that she was much worse than me. Like I said, she had no problem showing me pussy pics. I would never go that far. It made no sense to me that she was claiming harassment. It was mutual. I got a reprimand, which I accepted but made it clear I didn’t agree with. When they followed up with her, she claimed she was a saint.
After the second allegation, a week or so later, which had zero to do with harassment, it became very clear to HR that she was full of shit. I got a formal apology and a buy-out, as long as I promised not to sue them. This was a very large employer with a “real” HR department. They don’t hand out that sort of shit unless they know they are in the crosshairs.
Why it happened in the first place, beats me. I stopped trying to figure it out. A number of coworkers told me that she clearly was infatuated with me. I’m oblivious to that shit, so I really couldn’t say. She and her fiancé had come to our house a few times, and my partner said that the way she stared at me and only talked to me made her very uncomfortable. Again, beats me, and I don’t really care.
I learned a ton from that experience. I had considered that coworker to be a close friend, not a work friend, and our relationship had that sort of tenor. We both bullshitted, and she was dirtier than me. Never again will that happen. Work is work, and I simply don’t go anywhere near that kind of banter.
So, does that explain it for you? Do you have more stupid shit to say about it that makes you look 10x worse than me?
And, there is a delicate irony to you talking about harassment of any sort. You harass people here all the time. I called you on it and you resorted to the total pussy shit up above. Own it and move on.
Who cares if he asked some girls if he could beat off in front of them? We elected a man as President who was on tape bragging about being a sexual predator.
>>>>>>>> it became very clear to HR that she was full of shit. I got a formal apology and a buy-out, as long as I promised not to sue them. This was a very large employer with a “real” HR department. They don’t hand out that sort of shit unless they know they are in the crosshairs
What were they afraid you were going to sue them for? It sounds like you were the liability they were trying to get rid of if they paid you out. Sometimes it’s best to pay to make a problem go away before it gets worse and the problem is harder to get rid of.
Im not accusing you of anything, that’s just how I read it from an HR standpoint.
Not at all, Timmy. Not in the least. I think that that line about suing was boilerplate. I received a formal apology with an understanding that the events had created an unsafe working environment for me, as well as a bitchin’ letter of recommendation. After The initial shit they said they’d let me out of my contract, but with no recommendation or anything. After it all broke open, they were very quick to offer me all sorts of shit. On top of the formal apology, my direct supervisors both apologized to me in person, in tears. It was all surreal.
The whole situation sucked. It really sent me for a loop. I didn’t understand what happened, and why. Like I said, she was dirtier than me. It was fucked up. But, you live and learn.
See Ateix, I knew that I was opening myself up by posting what I did, and that some douchebag would probably twist it for the sake of being a douchebag. You are “that guy,” the big winner. Congratulations. You should be proud of yourself.
Fave it, dude, you’re one of the biggest asshats around here. Your armchair quarterbacking means little. Run along and tell people how terrible their posts are. It’s your thing. Stick with it.
Is okay if you don’t believe it, JR. It has nothing to do with you. Like I said, I took a risk with that post, and I was hoping to open up dialogue about a serious topic. Instead what happened is that Ateix got all pussy-sore because I called him judgmental. He returned fire with a big bomb that is meaningless. Just more crap from a crappy Zoner who thinks his shit don’t stink.
BK, after reading your short synopsis above, I would think it's safe to say you and she fucked up. Honestly, if you were married at the time or with a girlfriend, why have some stupid "friendship" with a chick where you were getting off talking dirty with her and viewing pornographic images on her phone? She opened up to you and must have felt you were into her. Foolish thing to caught up in. Sorry, dude. Just my take on it- not saying you're a horrible person.
And, I'm with you about work relationships. It's all about work for me at my job. Any intimate details can and will be used against anybody at any time. Glad you learned your lesson.
That's the exact lesson I learned, EB. I generally bantered with her, just stupid, inane and sometimes dirty shit. There was never anything physical or personal about my own life or hers, just stupid crap.She was much more personal and graphic (much, much more!), so I was like, whatever. We worked very closely and in tight quarters.
After that, though, I want no part of it. Coworkers tend to engage in that kind of banter, and I just walk the fuck away. I fully own my side of it. I was inappropriate at work, which set myself up. If I stay out of it, it's a non-issue.
I know you're typing some long-ass drawn-out nonsense right now BrianK, spare yourself the effort, we're not gonna change each other's minds on this. You think I'm an internet meanie, because I have fun on a DBMB, and I think you're a straight creep, because you were seperated from employment after facing multiple allegations of sexual misconduct on the job.
No, Ateix, I think you are disgusting. To get back at me you bumped this thread with your bullshit accusations, which you are still making. You have no clue what you're talking about. Objectively, how can you? Par for the course from you - just rude and douchey.The real irony is that this thread is about harassment. Day in and day out you demean, belittle, call names and harass people. I generally ignore you, but the other day you straight up sickened me when you made fun of someone's disability. Not only is that harassment, it's illegal. It says who you really are.
So, you can judge me on a snippet that I gave, of something that happened years ago and you can't ever know about. Whatever. I'll judge you on what's here, now and real, something that we can all see. You're a dirtbag who has fun by treating people like crap.
You are actually asking me for a citation? The only citation you could give is the post where you edited my post, and that doesn't really count.
Something to do with Bob, and then you asked someone else if their spectrum disorder was worse than his.
Let me ask you, on any given day, how many people are you a dick to in your quest for fun? 3-6, would you say? They all deserve it, right, because they ask for it?
Actually, it was Timmy Hoover who said, "I did. Would you say you’re higher or lower on the spectrum than Sideshow Bob?"
It was a shitty thing to say.
There've been a lot of shitty things in the last few days; get rid of your fangs you guys, change your strain, take it somewhere else. Do whatever you do to take it down a notch or two.
Yeah BrianK likes to alter the truth to his liking. As I understand it, it actually contributed to the cost of a job for him a job at one point in his past.
Sio, when you mentioned you were coming into town for the Dead Co date, it was a reminder to be tempted to check out the show. Probably won't happen but if you are around real early / in town real late and feel like hitting me up, I should be around. May be scoping out a show myself but it'll most likely be shorter than Dead Co. Been way way too long.
Ateix, you don’t stop, do you? Tell us all how it makes you feel.
In the last 48 hours, how many people have you attacked, called names, berated, etc? Why don’t you tell me your truth, and then We can see if it jives with the truth as I’ve read it. You don’t have to count me.
If someone asked me where I was "on the spectrum" I wouldn't consider that an insult or put-down.
There's nothing negative or wrong with "being on the spectrum". Every day I'm surrounded by people who are and they consistently blow my mind with their unique insights and general way of seeing the world.
Not if it is used as a pejorative. When hoovie slung that one at me, it was not intended to be funny, or a compliment.
This is a prime example of why people don't share much about themselves at this place. If you are honest and open about anything, it gets added to the database held by a freaky few and it follows you forever. BK made one honest discussion point and now some will never let it go. Wear moccasins to a burger joint? Heavens no. Defend your home state? forget about it. Like a shirt with Wolf on it? you are a freak. and so on.
Oh and the classic "grow thicker skin" is total BS. How about stop slinging shit at people pretending to be joking? Go ahead with the spin.
Lol Judit, please stop trying to mandate how people interact with one another here, or else if you must pull out your gavel of judgment, do it across the board instead of cherry picking your shamey finger.
Ateix has the thinnest skin here, and the smallest nads. His little vendetta is all because I asked for his creds in rating Zoners, posts and threads. Look how far he went on his first shot at me, right to the lowest denominator. And he’s still keeping it up. Weak.
”Okay, if I edit someone’s post and change words and meanings, then the truth is what I wrote, and I’m sticking to that story.” Fun, fun, right?
Now he’s all pussy-sore because he got an email. Ooh, so badass, buddy. Are you going to martyr yourself? Do me a favor, embarrass yourself some more before you get yourself booted. It’s so sad it’s funny.
The deflection is a reflection of your perception.
I will say that episode (the whole 'separated from a job due to being a liability to the employer' thing) must have created quite the domestic conundrum.
Actually, BrianK, this is a thread about sexual harassment and people who have been alleged of perpetrating it. Let's take a moment to meditate on that and to calibrate.
And that’s the reason I posted in this thread. You are “that guy” who took it to a trashy place as a way to get back at me. Classy.
In case you haven’t noticed, nobody else jumped on your little bandwagon, which is kind of rare for this place. Wonder why? Do you really think you’re looking good here?
I’m confused. You’ve never claimed to be a full time parent. You have always said that you clean pools for a living. You come across as bitter because you’re a really smart dude, but that’s what you’ve been relegated to.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: The Sound of Steam and Caffeine Zooey
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 03:08 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/louis-cks-movie-premiere-canceled-...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger On Wisconsin
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 03:25 pm
From 2012: http://gawker.com
From 2012: http://gawker.com/5894527/which-beloved-comedian-likes-to-force-female-c...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 03:39 pm
The old Irish Skidoo. Mayer
The old Irish Skidoo. Mayer is into that too.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 04:14 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnNH7I07RY
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond Jonas
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 04:29 pm
I must have missed the memo
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout hounder
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 04:38 pm
check out my new bit
check out my new bit
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 04:41 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apc85Cp4lQQ&t=1m4s
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff JR
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 04:54 pm
never thought he was funny.
never thought he was funny. good riddance.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E O1>11
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 05:22 pm
>>>The old Irish Skidoo.
>>>The old Irish Skidoo. Mayer is into that too.
i thought brick was just joking but clearly this is actually a thing.
filthy, filthy Irishmen
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 05:26 pm
QUOTE: "When Mexico sends its
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Thursday, November 9, 2017 – 08:38 pm
Is that the pervert's version
Is that the pervert's version of I'm not touching you?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: felina mrfelina
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:22 am
I was bummed to see this one.
I was bummed to see this one. So creepy to see how people take advantage of whatever power they may have over people.
I mean, it's not like I've never asked a woman to watch me masturbate (we all have, right?), it's one of the first pick up lines we learn.
Can you imagine all the famous or once famous men in Hollywood who are scared as shit because they know they've used their power to do terrible things to women?
It must be like they are just waiting for the shoe to fall. Who's next?
Pretty horrible.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond Jonas
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:55 am
>Who's next
>Who's next
The ball is going to drop on the music industry.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cb shuffle
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 12:49 pm
Trevor Noah addressing Louis
Trevor Noah addressing Louis CK on The Daily Show
“we’re going to need a new Oscar category -
best actor whose movies we can’t watch anymore”
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: felina mrfelina
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 01:00 pm
Eastwood and Gibson
>>>best actor whose movies we can’t watch anymore”
Eastwood and Gibson alternated winning those every other year for a while, with Christian Bale and Baldwin taking it home from time to time.
Wide open now.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved nedb
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 01:03 pm
Pee Wee wasn't that bad,
Pee Wee wasn't that bad, after all...he was just a self-diddler in the privacy of a "movie house".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: felina mrfelina
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 01:12 pm
Agreed Ned.
Agreed Ned.
Pee Wee still rocks.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E O1>11
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 01:39 pm
Louis just released a written
Louis just released a written confession and apology
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cb shuffle
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 01:39 pm
Louis has owned it in a
Louis has owned it in a statement he just released.
Sorry no link, google it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ender
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 01:43 pm
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/10
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/10/louis-c-k-confession-masturbation-women-ac...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 02:00 pm
He didn't really apologize
He didn't really apologize though, did he?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E O1>11
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 02:07 pm
Fair enough, Sam.
Fair enough, Sam.
seems to b more of a remorseful admission of guilt in nature rather than an overtly apologetic one.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Cam highway320
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 02:28 pm
I thought it appropriate.
I thought it appropriate.
It's written as if he deliberately thought, "I don't want to say I'm sorry, I want to say something that will make them know I am sorry."
That said, it's well written, sincere, and appropriate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 02:37 pm
idk it seems like he is just
idk it seems like he is just a perv. he asked all the women first...they all said yes. i kinda get the power thing, but this all happened before louis was really popular, when he was just writing for TV and pretty much unknown outside of the standup world. seems like he just has a weird kink. afaik its a pretty common kink to want to be watched while masturbating, and if that is your kink, i cant really think of a better way to fulfill that kink than by asking someone if they would like to participate. is there supposed to be an elaborate series of hand gestures or some kind of password system by which you find someone to watch you jerk off and its just me and louis ck that missed the memo? yeah, its creepy, but im not seeing this as some kind of weinstein level sexual assult.
seems like he is struggling with a part of his sexuality, apologized years before this became public, and recognized it was an issue he wanted to work on. having seen almost all of CK's work, this is absolutely no supprise. he's never been specific but the immense self loathing and darkness in his routines had to come from somewhere. he was known as a brutally honest comic, but for some reason people thought when he would talk about being a "prisoner to perverted thoughts" or "the darkness" that he was just talking about eating to many cookies??? he has basically been warning us for years that he is a creepy perv.
looks like his new film is not going to be coming out for awhile, which i am really bummed about, i was really exited to see it and still am. i guess at least this means tickets for his next tour will be cheap and plentiful.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 03:04 pm
>> he asked all the women
>> he asked all the women first...they all said yes.
Uhh... no they didn't. Did you read the original article? Not even close. I understand the impulse to apologize for him because his self-loathing does come through in his comedy and he's almost pitiable as an individual, but that's not at all an excuse, full stop.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: aiq aiq
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 03:05 pm
I wish I could remember the
I wish I could remember the sketch were the couple was nearing the wing dang do when they stopped to have the lawyers come in and negotiate the deets of the doo wah diddy.
Totally with people speaking up but damn if I was out there these days I think I would be careful.
As it should be.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ausonius Thom2
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 03:11 pm
"I mean, it's not like I've
"I mean, it's not like I've never asked a woman to watch me masturbate (we all have, right?), it's one of the first pick up lines we learn."
Uhm, no and no.
"they all said yes."
Nope. Apparently he was under the impression that asking and not getting a positive response still made it okay.
"looks like his new film is not going to be coming out for awhile"
Yea. Like in ten years. On an obscure streaming service.
"which i am really bummed about, i was really exited to see it and still am."
Really? I'd have a really hard time watching the guy in anything at this point, but then I was never a huge fan.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger On Wisconsin
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 03:26 pm
Still electable in Alabama
Still electable in Alabama roll tide
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: felina mrfelina
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 03:34 pm
>>>"I mean, it's not like I
>>>"I mean, it's not like I've never asked a woman to watch me masturbate (we all have, right?), it's one of the first pick up lines we learn."
>>Uhm, no and no.
Oh, Thom...don't ever go changing, you white, right wing, sweater vest wearing rock star.
>>>its a pretty common kink to want to be watched while masturbating,
It is?
It's common to want to be watched? I get that you can find basicallyanything and some people are going to be into it (this is a large world) but that's a common fantasy?
I guess I'll take your word for it but...kind having a hard time wrapping my head around it though.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JP (J Bomb) Tatters
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 03:42 pm
This whole thing has jumped
This whole thing has jumped from "he raped me" to "he's a big fucking perv!" with everyone in the moral authority expressing their faux outrage via vapid social media channels.
Silly.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 03:44 pm
Well, he fessed up to it, and
Well, he has fessed up to it, and says that just because he asked permission didn't make it right:
"At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn't a question. It's a predicament for them."
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/10/563316860/louis-c-k-a...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly Fly
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 03:49 pm
Meh. Creepy perv. I think
Meh. Creepy perv. I think Daylight is close to being right. I'll still watch him. Part of his appeal to me has been his brutal self honesty. Anyone not listening to the GD for such activity? Careful in your response. They ALL done wrong to women is my guess. Like someone posted, the rocknroll world is on watch and they are sweating it. Who's Next? (get it, pete townsend the pedo?). In my eyes NO means NO. I am not an apologist for abhorrent behavior. Im stating that I am still able to enjoy his work. Like creepy musicians.
Separating the art from the artist has always been a problem.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: felina mrfelina
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 03:56 pm
>>>But what I learned later
>>>But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn't a question. It's a predicament for them."
To me, that's complete bullshit. He knew it was wrong and he knew why it was wrong. He knew the women didn't want to be there, that they wouldn't be there if he wasn't in the position he was in.
It would have come off better if he admitted he knew it was wrong at the time and was fucked up enough to do it anyway--at least that would have sounded more genuine.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 04:04 pm
Mind if I shit on your coffee
Mind if I shit on your coffee table?
What the............
Schplatt....
Dude, WTF?
Hey I asked first.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 04:11 pm
>>>Uhh... no they didn't. Did
>>>Uhh... no they didn't. Did you read the original article? Not even close.
the original NYT article says one of the women did say yes, and the other two laughed, and then stayed until after he came. if i did not want to watch a man jerk off, i would 1) say no, and 2) leave the room if he started.
im not saying these women asked him to, or enjoyed it, but it does not sound like he forced anybody into anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjm6h9_mM4s
"I see piss comin' I move, she see piss comin' she stay."
think about the sterotype of the "flasher", the man in a trench coat exposing himself. its common enough to be an easily recognizable stereotype. i think also the phenomenon of men sending women unsolicited dick pics thru social media and tinder is also due to exhibitionist fantasy.
"Well, she was just 14, but she had the body of an 8 year old."
- Actual Bob Weir quote, 1980
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 04:32 pm
>> if i did not want to
>> if i did not want to watch a man jerk off, i would 1) say no, and 2) leave the room if he started.
Easy to say as a hypothetical. But my sense is that it's quite a bit different when the man has enormous pull in your industry, which is already very difficult for women to break into, and you know that if you react badly or expose him that might be the end of your career. There's a lot more going on than just some flabby prick pulling out his shabby dick.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved nedb
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 04:45 pm
Well, according to Bob Weir,
Well, according to Bob Weir, his dog has no nose. When, in fact, he did have a nose.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ender
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 04:48 pm
>> if i did not want to
>> if i did not want to watch a man jerk off, i would 1) say no, and 2) leave the room if he started.
Did you miss the part where he blocked the door of the hotel room when they tried?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 05:31 pm
>>>Did you miss the part
>>>Did you miss the part where he blocked the door of the hotel room when they tried?
i did not see that anywhere in the article, sounds like he was sitting down while they laughed, and instead of trying to leave, felt paralyzed...where are you getting this about him blocking the door and them trying to leave?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 05:41 pm
>>>Easy to say as a
>>>Easy to say as a hypothetical. But my sense is that it's quite a bit different when the man has enormous pull in your industry, which is already very difficult for women to break into, and you know that if you react badly or expose him that might be the end of your career. There's a lot more going on than just some flabby prick pulling out his shabby dick.
for sure, i think louis touched on that several times in his statement/apology, and at the same time this is not louis in 2016 we are talking about, this was in 2002 when he was a nobody...at that time his last project was writing the movie "Pootie Tang"...not exactly a household name or someone with alot of power in the industry.
it was a fucked up thing to do, for sure.
most people generally dont deal with character flaws like this until it becomes a serious issue in their life, but that does not mean people cant make a sincere effort to change and that does not invalidate their art.
im sure no zoners have ever hurt another person, had sexual issues, done anything they regret or lied to anybody.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 05:48 pm
Sounds like he guy has some
Sounds like he guy has some perversion issues. Should seek help in rehab for sex addiction. Obviously has a masturbation issue. Am I ready to put him in he same league as Harvey and Cosby? Not quite but still the guy obviously has some issues. I think it’s pretty odd they took down his stuff from HBO. If we were to get rid of all the art created by artists with sexual issues they’re wouldn’t be much left.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 05:52 pm
>> If we were to get rid of
>> If we were to get rid of all the art created by artists with sexual issues they’re wouldn’t be much left.
Pretty sure that's not true
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sun so hot, clouds so low Trailhead
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 06:02 pm
>>>>>If we were to get rid of
>>>>>If we were to get rid of all the art created by artists with sexual issues they’re wouldn't be much left.<<<<
^^^^^This is it in a "nut" shell..
Most people including artists have lots of issues. All the hurtful acts being reported are a testament to our ability to separate art from the artist. Looks like freedom of speech and censorship are holding a few high cards. Resist and buckle up.
Make art
Make friends
Be nice to people
All these things might be tough to handle when you become a gazillionare.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 06:12 pm
Such a difference between
Such a difference between having personal issues like substance abuse and being a sexual predator
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sun so hot, clouds so low Trailhead
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 06:31 pm
No doubt. I would never want
No doubt. I would never want to compare the two.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 06:43 pm
Pretty sure you just equated
Pretty sure you just equated them though
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 07:17 pm
of course there is a
of course there is a difference, one only harms yourself while one harms others...i dont think anyone here is trying to say that what he did was ok at all.
just seems really indicative of a society that is still wrapped up so much in conservative christian beliefs on so many levels, that chris brown can still sell double platinum records after beating the shit out of his girlfriend and having it proven in court(dude isnt even allowed to enter AUS, NZ and the UK but america will still accept him as a pop culture icon), but a guy showing a handful of girls his dick is a career ending, nuclear fallout situation.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E O1>11
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 07:20 pm
Dang. that is a pretty valid
Dang. that is a pretty valid point, DL
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 07:40 pm
>> just seems really
>> just seems really indicative of a society that is still wrapped up so much in conservative christian beliefs on so many levels, that chris brown can still sell double platinum records after beating the shit out of his girlfriend and having it proven in court(dude isnt even allowed to enter AUS, NZ and the UK but america will still accept him as a pop culture icon)
Lot of America doesn't accept him, and the part that does should have stopped years ago.
Would suggest that also has a lot to do with the fact that his victim was a black woman. You think if he was dating Katy Perry and beat her up and pictures of her bruised and swollen face were on magazine covers, he'd still be on a major label? I doubt it
Same story with R. Kelly by the way
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: utahmountaingirl jengc237
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 07:44 pm
How serious is Hollywood? I
How serious is Hollywood? I remain skeptical.
Woody Allen's new movie is still set to premiere on December 1st. Roman Polanski just had a new movie at Cannes over the summer and was recently honored in Paris.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 07:47 pm
Ultimately it's about the
Ultimately it's about the money of course. The leaders and lawyers at these media companies see which way the tide has gone since Weinstein and are acting accordingly by cutting people off as credible allegations come out. They're just business decisions. But most positive change happens when what benefits business lines up with what's moral and right, so have to take the change as we can get it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 09:35 pm
He'll probably join
He'll probably join ThePervZone.net.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ender
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 10:20 pm
>> i did not see that
>> i did not see that anywhere in the article, sounds like he was sitting down while they laughed, and instead of trying to leave, felt paralyzed...where are you getting this about him blocking the door and them trying to leave?
In 2012, Gawker published the story “Which Beloved Comedian Likes to Force Female Comics to Watch Him Jerk Off? ” about “our nation's most hilarious stand-up comic and critically cherished sitcom auteur” who “adds a thrilling twist to his onanistic escapades: He traps unsuspecting women in his hotel room and makes them stick around until he's done.” It described an incident at the Aspen Comedy Festival where he started masturbating in front of two female comedians who had joined him in his room, blocking the door until he finished. C.K. wasn’t named, but commenters pointed to him.
http://www.newsweek.com/louis-ck-louis-ck-masturbate-masturbation-i-love...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 10:32 pm
I bet Thom does it through a
I bet Thom does it through a hole in a sheet. Lights off.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 10:40 pm
>> a hole in a sheet. Lights
>> a hole in a sheet. Lights off.
Ahh, sexy ortho-Jew style. Very nice.
I watched some Curb Your Enthusiasm after the bad news yesterday, it was so oddly refreshing.
Now, that Larry David, now there's a guy who I'm sure has never acted out a weird kink or strange fantasy ever in his life.
Oh wait that's all dudes. Oh, ALL dudes do whacky shit? Oh yeah that's right. It's just a matter of checking oneself, checking the situation, and not be doing any harm to others (although you want to keep checking, communication with someone you are involved with sexually might I dont know, be a good thing? ).
>> I'd have a really hard time watching the guy in anything at this point, but then I was never a huge fan.
That's funny. I was just listening to some Chuck Berry. I heard he had some rather, uh, unusual interests? Interesting.. quirks?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 10:42 pm
When I said does it through a
When I said does it through a sheet I meant that’s how he sees at the rallies with his stormfront buddies
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 10:44 pm
Right obviously also lights
Exactly also lights are off because they don't want to attract the insects while theyre carrying tiki torches to the university library in protest of the liberals and their racial mixing.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 10:54 pm
Uncle Sam, the point is to
Uncle Sam, the point is to separate the person from the art. And yes they’re are many artists who had sexual issues at some point. You could prob throw a rock and hit a woman to claim sexual assault against members of the Grateful Dead. According to Barlow “the scene was about as mysognistic as it gets”. Pigeon talking about “I don’t care if she’s only 15 years of age.” They should just take down all the GD stuff off the archive. Ban it, right? Pretty stupid they removed his shows and stand up from HBO. Really doesn’t have anything to do these allegations. Sexual predators are hot right now in the news. Shits selling like hot cakes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 10:56 pm
>>>>>I don’t care if she’s
>>>>>I don’t care if she’s only 15 years of age
actually 14 is the youngest age he ever said; despite what Delia says.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:01 pm
^Yea, I think you’re right.
^Yea, I think you’re right. Grimey drunk. I wonder if Uncle Sam will ever be able to listen to Pigpens music again.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jazfish Jazfish
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:04 pm
I bet Thom does it through a
I bet Thom does it through a hole in a sheet. Lights off.<<<
Come on now, Hoover and Axtec. How bout just a tad slower.
Fucking harsh.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:07 pm
>>> Ban it, right? Pretty
>>> Ban it, right? Pretty stupid they removed his shows and stand up from HBO. Really doesn’t have anything to do these allegations.
if i owned HBO or netflix i'd feel like a creep making money off of and for sexual predators. society shouldn't reward people for abusive behavior.
you may feel differently.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:12 pm
^You’re pretty naive.
^You’re pretty naive. Hollywood/TV has been making money off of sexual predators for years. They don’t give a fuck about that. It’s political. I’m sure producers are quite “shameful” of how they make their money through movies and television. Come on now.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:12 pm
>>>>>>if i owned HBO or
>>>>>>if i owned HBO or netflix i'd feel like a creep making money off of and for sexual predators. society shouldn't reward people for abusive behavior.
I think if you own a company that big you sold your soul long ago and wouldn’t really care.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:13 pm
Netflix are still gonna push
Netflix are still gonna push the fuck out of that last season of house of cards, lol. They don’t care.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:17 pm
So you'd be fine going into
So you'd be fine going into business with sex criminals?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:18 pm
I drive prostitutes around
I drive prostitutes around town all the time for Lyft.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:23 pm
are they typically good
are they typically good tippers?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:25 pm
Nope. But these owners of big
Nope. But these owners of big businesses like HBO and Netflix don’t give a shit. They’re trying to make themselves look good. Soon as the storm has quotes down they’ll throw that shit right back up there.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:27 pm
should have been more
should have been more specific and said 'sexual predators', but i didn't want to keep using that term. it's more accurate, thou, so:
So you'd be fine going into business with sex predators?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:27 pm
Lyft prob wishes they could
Lyft prob wishes they could turn their company into a legit prostitution hustle. “Call Lyft, get a blow job while you ride.”
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:28 pm
Only if Nope means yes.
Only if Nope means yes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:28 pm
I wouldn’t. I’m just saying
I wouldn’t. I’m just saying rich people don’t really seem to care about anything but money
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:30 pm
I haven’t noticed they tip
I haven’t noticed they tip particularly well.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:32 pm
If I found out Scarlet
If I found out Scarlet Johansson was a sex predator and she wanted to hire me I’d say okay.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:34 pm
so you think they shouldn't
so you think they shouldn't pull his material because it is an insincere gesture made to look good to the public or do you think it shouldn't be pulled because something else?
or do you feel it should be pulled, but are saying they are doing it for the wrong reasons?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:36 pm
Should radio stations quit
Should radio stations quit playing Lwd Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:36 pm
>>> If I found out Scarlet
>>> If I found out Scarlet Johansson was a sex predator and she wanted to hire me I’d say okay.
what if it was David Johansen?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:37 pm
I’ll have to google him but
I’ll have to google him but probably not
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:37 pm
>>> Should radio stations
>>> Should radio stations quit playing Lwd Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones?
some of it, for unrelated reasons.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:38 pm
new york dolls
new york dolls
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:39 pm
scarlet molesting people: ok
scarlet molesting people: ok
less attractive people molesting people: not so much
i get it
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:46 pm
I mean isn’t that how it
I mean isn’t that how it works. If someone enjoys it it’s not harassment. If they don’t like it then it’s harrasment.
I guess know your audience, or don’t be a creep, or something.
Im not endorsing anyone’s behavior.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 10, 2017 – 11:47 pm
>>>>>>scarlet molesting
>>>>>>scarlet molesting people: ok
I was just speaking for myself. I didn’t say she could go around molesting people and I’d be okay with that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 12:23 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKeG8xOR3Us&feature=youtu.be
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: LB Craphead123
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 04:44 am
Now it’s Richard Dreyfuss
Now it’s Richard Dreyfuss
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 06:15 am
Here media media, here press
Here media media,
Here press reporters...
Distraction.....distraction....
......meanwhile in Trump world
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Cam highway320
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 06:32 am
>>This whole thing has jumped
>>This whole thing has jumped from "he raped me" to "he's a big fucking perv!" with everyone in the moral authority expressing their faux outrage via vapid social media channels.<<
Exactly. I don't think Louis CK is a sexual predator, and I don't think women were permanently scarred if they saw him touch his dick. If they are traumatized by that 20 years later, I'd say there is more to work on than that one experience. If they are still upset about it 20 yrs later, then I understand, and it sounds like that's what he was addressing.
When we start to become the moral police, judging people by their kinks or fetishes, I think it's gone too far.
It seems more like Donald has a strategic plan to disenfranchise Hollywood's "morality" against his very existence.
Let's get back to shining the light on football players, who actually are rapey & violent towards women.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 07:03 am
>When we start to become the moral police, judging people by their kinks or fetishes, I think it's gone too<
Jerking off in front of an unwilling audience is ok, but finding fault with such behavior is going too far?
Are you sure you want to be an apologist for this type of behavior?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout hounder
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 07:21 am
This thread could use some
This thread could use some dick pics
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 07:47 am
No, I don’t think they should
No, I don’t think they should pull his work. Unrelated to the accusations. If an architect turned out to be a sexual predator would they knock down all the buildings he/she designed?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 07:49 am
Looks like liquid monkey ran
Looks like liquid monkey ran out of trolling techniques when he found out he didn’t really think it through that well.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 08:09 am
>>> Looks like liquid monkey
>>> Looks like liquid monkey ran out of trolling techniques wh
no. i went to bed. i'm on east coast and get up at 3am for work, so i was pretty tired by 11:30pm.
i stand by my statements.
I wonder if Cam is married or has daughters or sisters and how he'd feel if some guy whipped it out and started jackin' it if front of them.
would he judge that guy by his quirky fetish, or let it slide, because, ya know... guys will be guys.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 08:14 am
>>> I was just speaking for
>>> I was just speaking for myself.
so was i when i said i'd feel like a creep profiting off of a sex-creeps work.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 08:20 am
>> Here media media,
>> Here media media,
Here press reporters...
Distraction.....distraction....<<
If you honestly think that what is going on with people coming forward about the prevalence of men with power abusing their privilege for sexual gain is really "distraction," from what's going on 'in Trump world,'
then you are honestly even dumber than you look.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 08:52 am
Actually,
Actually,
I was thinking about the depth that some of these " men of power"
are willing to go to conceal their crimes, and discredit their accusers.
Harvey Weinstein for instance...
Donny is also guilty as hell, and he's the fucking president.
They hire teams to deal with this shit.
Sadly, none of this is new news
and has been happening forever
And those who need to exposed should be held accountable.
But right now the timely new rounds of finger pointing sure are working out great...
For some....
Meanwhile......
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 09:23 am
And honestly,
And honestly,
You're more of a fucking asshole than you look Latex.
Keep up the strong work...
Maybe go contribute some more celebrity names to the sexual harassment thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 09:28 am
Give me some ideas.
Give me some ideas.
Chuck Berry?
Gerry Rafferty? John Cafferty? The whole Beaver Brown Band?
Ricky Danko? No... no, not Ricky...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 10:48 am
>> I wonder if Uncle Sam will
>> I wonder if Uncle Sam will ever be able to listen to Pigpens music again. Your mistake is that you're thinking the art/artist separation goes both ways, which it doesn't. It was pretty creepy when Pigpen would sing about not caring if a girl was underage -- but that was the music and the onstage persona. By all accounts, Pig offstage was a quiet loner who was mostly into older women. The art may have been somewhat sketchy, but I don't have reason to believe he actually was harassing underage girls.
Louis CK goes the other direction. It's not the art that's objectionable -- it's the artist. And when that's true, they can't be separated.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 10:51 am
Also -- men don't get to
Also -- men don't get to decide what women can or can't be traumatized by. There's no "walk it off" for sexual harassment and assault. That attitude is part of why we have such a problem -- it's not just because of the men who commit the harassment and assault, but because of the men who don't think it's a big deal and don't listen to women when they say it is.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 10:52 am
Stay good Pony Girl.
Stay good Pony Girl.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 12:44 pm
What are you talking about,
What are you talking about, Uncle Sam Louie goes in the other direction? Whatever that means. Seems like Piglen is directly advocating for sexual assault of a minor. Is that the other direction?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 12:54 pm
>>>it's not just because of
>>>it's not just because of the men who commit the harassment and assault, but because of the men who don't think it's a big deal and don't listen to women when they say it is.
Ah. There it is.
It's not just the men who committed these crimes; it's all men, you see.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:00 pm
It's not all men, just those
It's not all men, just those who perpetrate or excuse it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:03 pm
I guess we'll need to throw
I guess we'll need to throw the female industry assistants, executives, and power players into that camp as well.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Spikenyc Spike S.
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:05 pm
Grateful Dead Fan Sends Women
Grateful Dead Fan Sends Women Unsolicited Dick’s Picks
http://thehardtimes.net/news/grateful-dead-fan-sends-women-unsolicited-d...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Spikenyc Spike S.
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:06 pm
Grateful Dead Fan Sends Women
Grateful Dead Fan Sends Women Unsolicited Dick’s Picks
http://thehardtimes.net/news/grateful-dead-fan-sends-women-unsolicited-d...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:12 pm
Why is it all men, Mark? Do
Why is it all men, Mark? Do you see some of yourself in there and that's why you identify Uncle Sam's statement as an indictment of all men? Guilt by association?
I think Stringwang is correct - it's not all men.
And is it possible that those female industry assistants, etc were also caught up in the abuse of power from (males in higher and influential positions) above and though not sexually harassed themselves - they were still silenced by that power and it's abuse?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:15 pm
Hush, Six. You're lucky your
Hush, Six.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:18 pm
Yes, hush 6. You're getting
Yes, hush 6. You're apparently getting to close to something that makes Mark uncomfortable.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:21 pm
The only thing that makes
The only thing that makes uncomfortable in this discussion are deeply emasculated, creepy, desperate beta men like Harvey Weinstein and yourself.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:26 pm
Nice try at deflection - but
Nice try at deflection - but I think your words and reactions above speak enough about you that I don't have to add any more to this discussion.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: genXrated jlp
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:26 pm
I've heard about this.
I've heard about this. Disappointing
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:27 pm
So many double and triple
So many double and triple standards being expressed here.
While it's perfectly normal and acceptable to "whack it" in the Bank line, or Post Office, or DMV, it's considered 'bad' in a legally - rented hotel room.
Everyone is so PC these days. Back in the 70's, men and women would pleasure themselves in Supermarkets and Department Stores all day long.
Now only Monkeys at the Zoo are allowed. How times have changed.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: genXrated jlp
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:29 pm
#dickp1ic
#dickpic
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: genXrated jlp
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:30 pm
No need to besmirch Jen poz,
No need to besmirch Jen poz, slacker
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:32 pm
>>>but I think your words and
>>>but I think your words and reactions above speak enough about you that I don't have to add any more to this discussion.
Right. How dare I satirize knee jerk gender bashing by virtue signaling jackoffs; or question who might have been complicit in the predatory institutional sexual assault culture in Hollywood beyond what chromosomes a person carries.
Obviously that makes me guilty of something.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:38 pm
>>> it's not just because of
>>> it's not just because of the men who commit the harassment and assault, but because of the men who don't think it's a big deal and don't listen to women when they say it is. <<<
This.
This is about men not listening, not being outraged that women, and some men, but primarily women, are harassed, abused, assaulted, subjected to men's use of power to get their rocks off. Have you ever been in the position of having to decide (on the spot, right now!) how to deal with the sexual advances of someone who is more powerful than you, a boss, a celebrity, someone who is in some way holding power? Most likely not, because you're a man.
Hear women who have felt harassed, abused, assaulted, subjected to men's use of power to get their rocks off, or to hold power over them. Listen, act.
Most of you guys sound like you think this isn't serious, isn't important. Just imagine that it's your daughter, your mother, your sister, your partner... I hope it never is. You put 6 down for his statement, he's listening. Stringtwang knows, others may have said something empathetic, thank you.
Have some fucking empathy. I don't care if you like the guy's art, but that you feel for the women who've been traumatized.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:44 pm
>>>>>>I don't have to add any
>>>>>>I don't have to add any more to this discussion.
empty threats.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:50 pm
>>>This is about men not
>>>This is about men not listening
Bullshit. This is about individual men who committed crimes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 01:56 pm
>> What are you talking about
>> What are you talking about, Uncle Sam Louie goes in the other direction? Whatever that means. Seems like Piglen is directly advocating for sexual assault of a minor. Is that the other direction?
I'll see if I can clarify. If we're talking in terms of separating art from the artist, Pigpen made art that was maybe a little questionable, but there was never any evidence that he, the artist, did anything wrong in his non-stage life. So you can separate the art (a little creepy) from the artist (presumably innocent). Louis CK, in contrast, has made art that's basically fine, but his off-stage behavior was unacceptable.
So with Pigpen, the art was questionable, but the artist was fine. With CK, the art is fine, but the artist is not. That's why there's a difference.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:01 pm
What about Warren Zevon? He
What about Warren Zevon? He did some terrible things as a person but I really love his art.
Bob Weir has totally done some underage plowing. You want my copy of Ace?
Aristotle believed women were incomplete men, do we discount all his philosophy?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:07 pm
>>> It's not just the men who
>>> It's not just the men who committed these crimes; it's all men, you see.
Judit already articulated it better than I can, but you're missing the point. Not all men are guilty of sexual harassment and assault, but the attitudes of some in this thread that it's not a big deal and women should get over it are part of the reason why men who actually do commit these crimes feel like they can get away with it.
It's certainly true that women in Hollywood/wherever else who have witnessed this behavior and done nothing have some responsibility to speak out too, but it's quite a bit different when the predator is your livelihood and you know if you speak up you'll be fired and blacklisted from the industry for life. It doesn't make it okay, but there are understandable forces pushing in the other direction. To get the culture to change, men in powerful positions in the film industry and elsewhere who have no reason to do nothing besides making money and not caring have to step up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:09 pm
>>>This is about men not
>>>This is about men not listening
Bullshit. This is about individual men who committed crimes. <<<
This is about years and years of men ignoring the facts. They've heard about it, and said and done nothing.
It's not just about crimes, it's about who is held responsible for their actions and that the culture hasn't changed.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:13 pm
>>>it's about who is held
>>>it's about who is held responsible for their actions
i don't know what I did
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:16 pm
Wrong again, Judit.
Wrong again, Judit.
We have a whole slew of sexual assault laws and a criminal justice system designed to punish these crimes.
To levy the accusation that men haven't done enough to deal with these crimes is totally disingenuous.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:22 pm
>> What about Warren Zevon?
>> What about Warren Zevon? He did some terrible things as a person but I really love his art.
I'm actually not familiar with his background beyond the alcoholism, but I don't think he was ever accused of sexual assault. If it had to do with bad shit within his family, I think we have a little different standard for that as long as it doesn't rise to physical or sexual violence. In terms of Bobby, you can keep Ace, but if multiple women came out and said he assaulted them in the 70s we might have some tough questions to confront.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: smiley 73guy
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:24 pm
Bobby's playing is enough for
Bobby's playing is enough for me to part ways with the guy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:25 pm
>>>>>>>but the attitudes of
>>>>>>>but the attitudes of some in this thread that it's not a big deal and women should get over it are part of the reason why men who actually do commit these crimes feel like they can get away with it.
I totally agree. It’s pretty disgusting. I was in the mountains yesterday and haven’t had a chance to read the whole thread. Who said it’s not a big deal and women should get over it?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:28 pm
Edgar Allen Poe?
Edgar Allen Poe?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:30 pm
I said >>> It's not just
I said >>> It's not just about crimes, it's about who is held responsible for their actions and that the culture hasn't changed. <<<
>>> To levy the accusation that men haven't done enough to deal with these crimes is totally disingenuous. <<<
Disingenuous? That is in no way true, Mark. I am sincere and believe completely that misogyny and the balance of power, where women have rarely been listened to and given credence to in industry, politics, etc., has led to my statements. As things are changing, I hope the culture of imbalance is changing, too.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:45 pm
>>>Who said it’s not a big
>>>Who said it’s not a big deal and women should get over it?<<<
nobody in this thread. a few of us have spoken about things like society's reaction to sexual issues, seperating the art from the artist, personal struggles/forgiveness, or the mire of what constitutes consent or harassment, and the effects that a position of power can have, or not have, on that.
but i dont think anyone here has implied that its not a big deal and the women need to get over it.
>>>This is about years and years of men ignoring the facts. They've heard about it, and said and done nothing.<<<
as if we have some secret men's cabal where we all gather every month to discuss our continued cultural domination? like the facts were brought in a classified dossier to the secret men's cabal and we all collectively decided to seal them in some underground chamber beneath the bohemian grove?
putting that on all men by just making blanket statements about "men" doing this and "they" do that would be the same as me making comments about how most crime in the country is committed by "the blacks" and "they" need to work on their criminal culture.
yeah, a larger percentage of crime in this country is committed by african-americans, but that does not mean that black people as a group are responsible for that, or that something is wrong with their culture as a whole.
most men i know are just trying to treat people well, get thru life, find a good job, good friends and a good partner. maybe see some shows or take some hikes. i have yet to meet the men who constitute "the patriarchy".
i think so many issues these days mistakenly target gender and race, when it not really a gender or race issue, its an issue of power and of the culture of the wealthy and powerful. lots of women in those positions ignore abuse as well.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 02:55 pm
Ah yes, Judit. The patriarchy
Ah yes, Judit. The patriarchy.
That explains why Louis CK was jacking off in front of those women.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:06 pm
It certainly explains why you
It certainly explains why you are such a condescending dick.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:06 pm
Ah yes, Judit. The patriarchy
I take it you're being sarcastic. Otherwise, I see no explanation for your putting those together and I don't understand it even then...
No, I'm guessing that he got off doing it.
I don't know what to say right now to give you (and Daylight) the information needed for you to see that it was/is not the patriarchy, nor a cabal that made these incidents what they were. It was, however, that men in power have used that power to harass and assault others (mostly women).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:09 pm
>>>>>>that men in power have
>>>>>>that men in power have used that power to harass and assault others (mostly women).
I think that’s not true for every man in power and that is Daylight and Marks point
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:10 pm
Had I said "every man", that
Had I said "every man", that point would be well-taken.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:25 pm
>> It was, however, that men
>> It was, however, that men in power have used that power to harass and assault others (mostly women).
And other men have participated in a culture, separate from any individual instance of harassment, that is skeptical of women's allegations, often downplays the seriousness of assaults, chooses to ignore or forgive known despicable behavior because of the alleged offender's positive attributes, and deflects valid criticism of the culture with absurdities and finger-pointing. It doesn't make those men evil or and they certainly shouldn't be equated with the actual assaulters, but by expressing these attitudes, they participate in the maintenance of a society that tolerates and condones assault.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:27 pm
Thanks, UncleSam, yes.
Thanks, UncleSam, yes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:29 pm
>>>>>>And other men have
>>>>>>And other men have participated in a culture, separate from any individual instance of harassment, that is skeptical of women's allegations, often downplays the seriousness of assaults, chooses to ignore or forgive known despicable behavior because of the alleged offender's positive attributes, and deflects valid criticism of the culture with absurdities and finger-pointing
In this thread?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:37 pm
I've never watched Med Men.
I've never watched Mad Men.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:50 pm
>> I take it you're being
>> I take it you're being sarcastic
I was, yes. I also admit some women sound like the teacher from The Peanuts to me when they're talking.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 03:56 pm
Timmy, I don't speak for
Timmy, I don't speak for Uncle Sam, but whether or not it's in this thread, it's the larger culture that this whole question is coming from.
Mark, are you referring to me? I've never heard that person.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 04:06 pm
No, I'm not referring to you,
No, I'm not referring to you, Judit. That was sarcasm.
Off topic, but you aren't familiar with the classic Charlie Brown animated shows?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 04:09 pm
Here's an episode. In this
Here's an episode. In this one, Charlie Brown invites Lucy over and surprises her by jacking off on a football.
It's actually pretty disturbing.
https://youtu.be/Dp0AOYogmGo
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 04:37 pm
I had a coworker accuse me of
I had a coworker accuse me of sexual harassment. One day she said that she was psyched that we could be “real” with each other, swear, tell dirty jokes, etc. She even took it upon herself to show me pussy pics of her boyfriend’s Online lover. A few days later she filed some offbeat claim against me.
The shit threw me for a loop. She had never asked me to stop, and had actively participated, at a dirtier level than me. I got the big smack-down from HR. I have no idea why it even happened in the first place.
A few weeks later she levied some other charge against me, that was just outrageous. At that point I told my lawyer to tell the company lawyer I wanted out, and that I wanted to be paid until the end of the contract year. They very quietly agreed. I think that, at that point, they knew that the woman had lied about a lot of stuff.
You live and learn. I no longer even tell coworkers that something looks good on them. Fuck that shit. When a female coworker has said that I look good, or my hair looks good, I tell them that it’s not okay to comment on how something looks on a person.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 05:16 pm
Off topic, but you aren't
I know of them, watched parts of maybe a few. Never got into them, I guess.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 05:46 pm
Uncle Sam, sounds like you’re
Uncle Sam, sounds like you’re just giving Pigpen a pass because your a fan, but you sit here and try to give a clinic on feminism. If any music/movie star said “I don’t care if she’s only 14 yrs of age” today then it would make the same headlines as this Louis CK story. On that note though there is evidence of John Mayor doing virtually the same thing and allegations as well. Crickets on that subject. I guess Louie admitted this was true or are these still just allegations? If they are still just allegations and there is no proof then it looks like he’s in the same boat as Pig, as “questionable” by your standards. Again, there’s stories about the Beatles committing sexual abuse. John Lennon’s abuse to women physically. So we should stop playing their music on the radio? Honestly just wondering. Seems like your kinda backing away from your original stance.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 05:48 pm
Pretty funny the feminist
Pretty funny the feminist rants by Uncle Sam. “I don’t care if she’s only 14 yrs of age”, only questionable to him though.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 06:17 pm
Seems like I might have
Seems like I might have touched a nerve here
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 06:29 pm
Nope. Just funny how stupid
Nope. Just funny how stupid you sound in this thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 06:39 pm
Seems like some projection
Seems like some projection both in your post and your username
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back UncleSam
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 06:42 pm
I've actually been trying to
I've actually been trying to agree with you on separating artist from the art, I just don't think it makes sense when it's the artist and not the art that's offensive. But please feel free to continue calling me a feminist as if that's some sort of insult
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 07:03 pm
In fairness, male feminists
In fairness, male feminists are pretty creepy.
You can be cool with women and not self-identify with a female-specific political movement.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 07:37 pm
You’re the only feminist ever
You’re the only feminist ever who’s down with statutory rape.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 07:58 pm
Born to the fanfare of World
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2011/04/pigpen-solo.html?m=1
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 05:25 pm
>> Briank on Saturday,
>> Briank on Saturday, November 11, 2017 – 04:37 pm
I had a coworker accuse me of sexual harassment. One day she said that she was psyched that we could be “real” with each other, swear, tell dirty jokes, etc. She even took it upon herself to show me pussy pics of her boyfriend’s Online lover. A few days later she filed some offbeat claim against me.
The shit threw me for a loop. She had never asked me to stop, and had actively participated, at a dirtier level than me. I got the big smack-down from HR. I have no idea why it even happened in the first place.
A few weeks later she levied some other charge against me, that was just outrageous. At that point I told my lawyer to tell the company lawyer I wanted out, and that I wanted to be paid until the end of the contract year. They very quietly agreed. I think that, at that point, they knew that the woman had lied about a lot of stuff.
You live and learn. I no longer even tell coworkers that something looks good on them. Fuck that shit. When a female coworker has said that I look good, or my hair looks good, I tell them that it’s not okay to comment on how something looks on a person. <<
>> Relates story of being reprimanded for sexual harassment
>> Blames the woman
I think this is more your speed, BrianK. And also, just to be clear:
>> I had a coworker
accuse me ofwho had me reprimanded for sexually harassing herThat was the proper lead in. Enjoy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 05:31 pm
Classy.
Classy.
Unlike you, I’m not afraid to share something personal. I also knew that some idiot could use it in the way you did. If you want to play that, go ahead. It all came out in the wash. I always own my shit. Always.
By the way, that post of yours was terrible. It shows how small you are.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 05:36 pm
I think that being dismissed
I think that being dismissed from a job shows how small you are, but I think we have different values and that's ok (although I don't think sexual harassment is ok and in that respect I think you're kind of a piece of shit).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 05:47 pm
I wasn’t dismissed, bonehead.
I wasn’t dismissed, bonehead. She was.
Oh shit, what now?
Buddy, you are just not a nice person. If you want to get to me, you’re going to have to try harder than that.
Maybe it’s time to take a break? You really suck at this.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 05:52 pm
Well I literally do have to
Well I literally do have to take a break for now as I have a meeting but just to be clear in your cool story did you or did you not retain employment following allegations of misconduct in a professional setting? If not some might call that being dismissed.
Will check in with you later, bye for now.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 06:14 pm
Fully retained.
Fully retained.
I was 100% honest in the HR questioning. I said what she claimed, and I admitted it. The oddity was that she was much worse than me. Like I said, she had no problem showing me pussy pics. I would never go that far. It made no sense to me that she was claiming harassment. It was mutual. I got a reprimand, which I accepted but made it clear I didn’t agree with. When they followed up with her, she claimed she was a saint.
After the second allegation, a week or so later, which had zero to do with harassment, it became very clear to HR that she was full of shit. I got a formal apology and a buy-out, as long as I promised not to sue them. This was a very large employer with a “real” HR department. They don’t hand out that sort of shit unless they know they are in the crosshairs.
Why it happened in the first place, beats me. I stopped trying to figure it out. A number of coworkers told me that she clearly was infatuated with me. I’m oblivious to that shit, so I really couldn’t say. She and her fiancé had come to our house a few times, and my partner said that the way she stared at me and only talked to me made her very uncomfortable. Again, beats me, and I don’t really care.
I learned a ton from that experience. I had considered that coworker to be a close friend, not a work friend, and our relationship had that sort of tenor. We both bullshitted, and she was dirtier than me. Never again will that happen. Work is work, and I simply don’t go anywhere near that kind of banter.
So, does that explain it for you? Do you have more stupid shit to say about it that makes you look 10x worse than me?
And, there is a delicate irony to you talking about harassment of any sort. You harass people here all the time. I called you on it and you resorted to the total pussy shit up above. Own it and move on.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Jay Siobud
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 07:29 pm
Who cares if he asked some
Who cares if he asked some girls if he could beat off in front of them? We elected a man as President who was on tape bragging about being a sexual predator.
"Grab 'em by the pussy!"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 07:34 pm
>>>>>>>> it became very clear
>>>>>>>> it became very clear to HR that she was full of shit. I got a formal apology and a buy-out, as long as I promised not to sue them. This was a very large employer with a “real” HR department. They don’t hand out that sort of shit unless they know they are in the crosshairs
What were they afraid you were going to sue them for? It sounds like you were the liability they were trying to get rid of if they paid you out. Sometimes it’s best to pay to make a problem go away before it gets worse and the problem is harder to get rid of.
Im not accusing you of anything, that’s just how I read it from an HR standpoint.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 07:46 pm
Not at all, Timmy. Not in the
Not at all, Timmy. Not in the least. I think that that line about suing was boilerplate. I received a formal apology with an understanding that the events had created an unsafe working environment for me, as well as a bitchin’ letter of recommendation. After The initial shit they said they’d let me out of my contract, but with no recommendation or anything. After it all broke open, they were very quick to offer me all sorts of shit. On top of the formal apology, my direct supervisors both apologized to me in person, in tears. It was all surreal.
The whole situation sucked. It really sent me for a loop. I didn’t understand what happened, and why. Like I said, she was dirtier than me. It was fucked up. But, you live and learn.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 08:59 pm
>> she clearly was infatuated
>> she clearly was infatuated with me [...] the way she stared at me and only talked to me
I'm trying to make sense of that giant wall of bullshit you posted up there, but what I gather is: You're saying she was asking for it. Got it.
>> Fully retained.
>> I wanted to be paid until the end of the contract year. They very quietly agreed
Makes sense.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 09:13 pm
See Ateix, I knew that I was
See Ateix, I knew that I was opening myself up by posting what I did, and that some douchebag would probably twist it for the sake of being a douchebag. You are “that guy,” the big winner. Congratulations. You should be proud of yourself.
Fave it, dude, you’re one of the biggest asshats around here. Your armchair quarterbacking means little. Run along and tell people how terrible their posts are. It’s your thing. Stick with it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff JR
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 09:25 pm
I don't believe Brian K's
I don't believe Brian K's story.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 09:29 pm
Is okay if you don’t believe
Is okay if you don’t believe it, JR. It has nothing to do with you. Like I said, I took a risk with that post, and I was hoping to open up dialogue about a serious topic. Instead what happened is that Ateix got all pussy-sore because I called him judgmental. He returned fire with a big bomb that is meaningless. Just more crap from a crappy Zoner who thinks his shit don’t stink.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 09:30 pm
Are you psyched that we can
Are you psyched that we can be all real up in here? Dirty and real.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 09:35 pm
I’ll leave you three drama
I’ll leave you three drama queens to yourselves. You can be dirty and real without me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 09:47 pm
One thing we can be sure
One thing we can be sure about is Brian’s coworker probably didn’t like eggs.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 – 09:51 pm
She loved eggs, and told me
She loved eggs, and told me all about them many, many times, in theatrical detail.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 06:34 am
I think we can also be sure
I think we can also be sure that no single poster in this thread owns the patent on being “small”.
So many (small) axes to grind, so many big trees. “Well sharp”.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 12:45 pm
Keep small axe dull - save
Keep small axe dull - save the trees.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: troubador EB Fox
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 01:08 pm
BK, after reading your short
BK, after reading your short synopsis above, I would think it's safe to say you and she fucked up. Honestly, if you were married at the time or with a girlfriend, why have some stupid "friendship" with a chick where you were getting off talking dirty with her and viewing pornographic images on her phone? She opened up to you and must have felt you were into her. Foolish thing to caught up in. Sorry, dude. Just my take on it- not saying you're a horrible person.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: troubador EB Fox
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 01:13 pm
And, I'm with you about work
And, I'm with you about work relationships. It's all about work for me at my job. Any intimate details can and will be used against anybody at any time. Glad you learned your lesson.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 01:26 pm
That's the exact lesson I
That's the exact lesson I learned, EB. I generally bantered with her, just stupid, inane and sometimes dirty shit. There was never anything physical or personal about my own life or hers, just stupid crap.She was much more personal and graphic (much, much more!), so I was like, whatever. We worked very closely and in tight quarters.
After that, though, I want no part of it. Coworkers tend to engage in that kind of banter, and I just walk the fuck away. I fully own my side of it. I was inappropriate at work, which set myself up. If I stay out of it, it's a non-issue.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 01:30 pm
hahaha what a fucking creep
Continues to blame the woman.
hahaha what a fucking creep.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: troubador EB Fox
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 01:30 pm
Yep. FWIW, I'm guessing she's
Yep. FWIW, I'm guessing she's got some disturbing underlying issues. I hope she got help she obviously needs.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 01:37 pm
I know you're typing some
I know you're typing some long-ass drawn-out nonsense right now BrianK, spare yourself the effort, we're not gonna change each other's minds on this. You think I'm an internet meanie, because I have fun on a DBMB, and I think you're a straight creep, because you were seperated from employment after facing multiple allegations of sexual misconduct on the job.
Don't worry about it, big boy. I'm not.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 02:02 pm
I’m only worried enough to
lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 02:04 pm
I’m only worried enough to
I’m only worried enough to point a shamey finger, but not to listen. If I listened, I might have to care and I don’t want to care.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 02:05 pm
No, Ateix, I think you are
No, Ateix, I think you are disgusting. To get back at me you bumped this thread with your bullshit accusations, which you are still making. You have no clue what you're talking about. Objectively, how can you? Par for the course from you - just rude and douchey.The real irony is that this thread is about harassment. Day in and day out you demean, belittle, call names and harass people. I generally ignore you, but the other day you straight up sickened me when you made fun of someone's disability. Not only is that harassment, it's illegal. It says who you really are.
So, you can judge me on a snippet that I gave, of something that happened years ago and you can't ever know about. Whatever. I'll judge you on what's here, now and real, something that we can all see. You're a dirtbag who has fun by treating people like crap.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack Turtle
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 02:26 pm
can i like both of you guys?
can i like both of you guys?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 02:52 pm
>> the other day you straight
>> the other day you straight up sickened me when you made fun of someone's disability [citation needed]
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:05 pm
You are actually asking me
You are actually asking me for a citation? The only citation you could give is the post where you edited my post, and that doesn't really count.
Something to do with Bob, and then you asked someone else if their spectrum disorder was worse than his.
Let me ask you, on any given day, how many people are you a dick to in your quest for fun? 3-6, would you say? They all deserve it, right, because they ask for it?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout hounder
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:14 pm
Illegal? Lock him up!
Illegal?
Lock him up!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:22 pm
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:23 pm
Actually, it was Timmy Hoover
Actually, it was Timmy Hoover who said, "I did. Would you say you’re higher or lower on the spectrum than Sideshow Bob?"
It was a shitty thing to say.
There've been a lot of shitty things in the last few days; get rid of your fangs you guys, change your strain, take it somewhere else. Do whatever you do to take it down a notch or two.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:34 pm
Take it to TheRealZone.net,
Take it to TheRealZone.net, bruh. It's dirty.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout hounder
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:35 pm
It's ok. He's only been self
It's ok. He's only been self diagnosed
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:36 pm
I stand corrected. Sorry,
I stand corrected. Sorry, Ateix. You didn't make fun of disabilities. You just put people down for fun. My bad.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Jay Siobud
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:45 pm
It's weird because of all the
It's weird because of all the times I've met Ateix, he's been a really nice guy. And anyone else on here who has met him will say the same thing.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:47 pm
Yeah BrianK likes to alter
Yeah BrianK likes to alter the truth to his liking. As I understand it, it actually contributed to the cost of a job for him a job at one point in his past.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved nedb
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 03:58 pm
Ateix...can you give me BK's
Ateix...can you give me BK's Social Security number? Thanks, pal.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 04:11 pm
Yes, Sio - in person nice guy
Yes, Sio - in person nice guy - something happens to him when the Viva/Gamma rays blast him here.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 04:30 pm
Sio, when you mentioned you
Sio, when you mentioned you were coming into town for the Dead Co date, it was a reminder to be tempted to check out the show. Probably won't happen but if you are around real early / in town real late and feel like hitting me up, I should be around. May be scoping out a show myself but it'll most likely be shorter than Dead Co. Been way way too long.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 04:30 pm
>> can you give me BK's
...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 04:30 pm
>> can you give me BK's
>> can you give me BK's Social Security number?
Trying to avoid getting another shamey finger email, Ned. Is it ok if I send it as a private message? Watch your inbox.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff JR
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 05:48 pm
(((brian k)))
(((brian k)))
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 06:36 pm
Ateix, you don’t stop, do you
Ateix, you don’t stop, do you? Tell us all how it makes you feel.
In the last 48 hours, how many people have you attacked, called names, berated, etc? Why don’t you tell me your truth, and then We can see if it jives with the truth as I’ve read it. You don’t have to count me.
a. 0
b. 1-3
c. 4-5
d. Over 5
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go? LiquidMonkey
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 06:38 pm
>>> She loved eggs, and told
>>> She loved eggs, and told me all about them many, many times, in theatrical detail.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Thursday, November 16, 2017 – 07:06 pm
In the words of a great
In the words of a great American, "Womp-bomp-a-loom-op-a-womp-bam-boom".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 06:31 am
I wonder where Timmy puts
I wonder where Timmy puts himself on the spectrum, you know - before he speculates about someone else.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 09:15 am
Gene Simmons...
Gene Simmons...
https://archive.org/details/TerryGrossInterviewWithGeneSimmons
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 09:17 am
Gross!
Gross!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 09:20 am
Sara Silverman just did a
Sara Silverman just did a good monologue about CK. https://youtu.be/_WKFDqxiL80
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote Stringtwang
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 09:28 am
Simmons is a narcissist and
Simmons is a narcissist and douche.
Simmons for President.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 10:28 am
Fox News Bans Gene Simmons
Fox News Bans Gene Simmons for Life
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-bans-kiss-frontman-gene-simmons-f...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 10:59 am
the last 25 or so posts in
the last 25 or so posts in this thread are basically ateix and briank forcing us to watch them jerk off
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 01:00 pm
"Everybody wants to change
"Everybody wants to change someone else's strain."
(sung to the tune of Jumping Someone Else's Train)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 01:02 pm
Six please stop with the
Six please stop with the emails thanks in advance
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 01:17 pm
As soon as you stop lying.
lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry heathentom
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 02:23 pm
If someone asked me where I
If someone asked me where I was "on the spectrum" I wouldn't consider that an insult or put-down.
There's nothing negative or wrong with "being on the spectrum". Every day I'm surrounded by people who are and they consistently blow my mind with their unique insights and general way of seeing the world.
If anything it's a compliment.
Carry on.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly Fly
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 03:35 pm
Not if it is used as a
Not if it is used as a pejorative. When hoovie slung that one at me, it was not intended to be funny, or a compliment.
This is a prime example of why people don't share much about themselves at this place. If you are honest and open about anything, it gets added to the database held by a freaky few and it follows you forever. BK made one honest discussion point and now some will never let it go. Wear moccasins to a burger joint? Heavens no. Defend your home state? forget about it. Like a shirt with Wolf on it? you are a freak. and so on.
Oh and the classic "grow thicker skin" is total BS. How about stop slinging shit at people pretending to be joking? Go ahead with the spin.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 03:43 pm
>> "grow thicker skin" is
>> "grow thicker skin" is total BS
How about 'grow a set?'
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 03:45 pm
>> BK made one honest
>> BK made one honest discussion point
Are you referring to the the story he shared about that one time he was reprimanded for harassing a coworker and then seperated from his job?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 03:50 pm
How about "grow a chin"?
How about "grow a chin"?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E O1>11
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:11 pm
>>>>How about stop slinging
>>>>How about stop slinging shit at people pretending to b joking?
i don't think he was joking, I think he honestly suspects u suffer from some type of mental abnormality
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:22 pm
If that's so - then Lance's
If that's so - then Lance's scenario is completely thrown out the window.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:24 pm
Yah mon, if that be so, you
Yah mon, if that be so, you can be throwing that argument right out the window mon.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:25 pm
Yah mon, if that be so, you
Right up towards the eyrie 'eights of the Green Mountains.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:35 pm
I think Latex needs a safety
I think Latex needs a safety meeting,
and some of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLRYhMT3E4
Travel with LOVE.....
Not Hate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:42 pm
>> needs
>> needs
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:43 pm
I refuse to speculate what he
I refuse to speculate what he needs - but whatever it is - he needs it yrev very much.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:44 pm
Oh and the classic "grow
"How bout grow a set" is bullshit. Please, what would you have me grow a set of?
Stop slinging shit and post respectfully, civilly, kindly.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:49 pm
No, I'm good.
Lol Judit, please stop trying to mandate how people interact with one another here, or else if you must pull out your gavel of judgment, do it across the board instead of cherry picking your shamey finger.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:51 pm
Others cherry pick the shamey
Others cherry pick their shamey fingers here, ateix. She is far from alone in that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:53 pm
We should have gotten Judit a
We should have gotten Judit a cat.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:54 pm
That's true, you spend a lot
That's true Six. You spend a lot of time doing just that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E O1>11
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:55 pm
>>>If that's so - then Lance
>>>If that's so - then Lance's scenario is completely thrown out the window.
lance was speaking from his own personal perspective of what being on the spectrum means.
it was well founded, insightful and relevant
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:57 pm
Maybe so E, but it means it
That may be so E, but that means it was not meant as a compliment in this case - which Lance was trying to espouse.
ateix - about 90% of the folks here throw the shamey. You included.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 04:59 pm
Yeah. Most people also don't
Yeah. Most people also don't shitpost from 5:30 in the morning until dusk. But there you are.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 05:02 pm
Some people don;t act like
Yeah. Most people don't act like an asshole every time they post here. But there you are.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 05:03 pm
Post a stream or stfu
Hey I have an idea -- post something of value or stfu
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 05:04 pm
That's cute. You have an idea
That's cute. You have an idea! lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 05:07 pm
See you bright and early Six
See you bright and early
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E O1>11
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 05:43 pm
>>>That may be so E, but that
>>>That may be so E, but that means it was not meant as a compliment in this case - which Lance was trying to espouse.
i don't read lance's post as suggesting the comment was intended to b a compliment, only that it could b taken as such.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 06:17 pm
>>If anything it's a
>>If anything it's a compliment.
>>only that it could b taken as such
Hmm - don't see that as having exactly the same meaning, but I'm not perfect. Have a nice evening. I have to get up early tomorrow, as you know.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 06:36 pm
Jambands.com, Six.
Jambands.com, Six.
Just sayin'.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 07:10 pm
Ateix has the thinnest skin
Ateix has the thinnest skin here, and the smallest nads. His little vendetta is all because I asked for his creds in rating Zoners, posts and threads. Look how far he went on his first shot at me, right to the lowest denominator. And he’s still keeping it up. Weak.
”Okay, if I edit someone’s post and change words and meanings, then the truth is what I wrote, and I’m sticking to that story.” Fun, fun, right?
Now he’s all pussy-sore because he got an email. Ooh, so badass, buddy. Are you going to martyr yourself? Do me a favor, embarrass yourself some more before you get yourself booted. It’s so sad it’s funny.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 07:28 pm
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 08:08 pm
Thanks to those letting
Thanks to those letting everybody know they’re above all this.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 09:13 pm
Like you are. lol
Like you are. lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day Timmy Hoover
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 09:57 pm
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about? Where have I alluded to that. I love watching people make asses of themselves.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 09:59 pm
^I thought it was a good
^I thought it was a good thread before all that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 10:22 pm
"Where have I alluded to that
"Where have I alluded to that."
I hope your pinky was in the air when you posted that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark The Lion
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 10:27 pm
It's getting past your
It's getting past your bedtime, Six.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack Turtle
on Friday, November 17, 2017 – 10:29 pm
i am having a nice week.
i am having a nice week.
aloha.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 12:08 am
>>> Do me a favor, embarrass
>>> Do me a favor, embarrass yourself some more before you get yourself booted. It’s so sad it’s funny
Pervatol: A Drug to Help Real Dirty Sexual Predators Sleep at Night
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wwmrQIfgxXg
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 07:55 am
I like how you guys are
I like how you guys are sticking with the fake news. Consistency is everything.
Slack, when people shut down their pools for the winter, do you collect unemployment or does your wife give you an allowance?
Trigger warning: MORTGAGE
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on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 08:23 am
The deflection is a
The deflection is a reflection of your perception.
I will say that episode (the whole 'separated from a job due to being a liability to the employer' thing) must have created quite the domestic conundrum.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 08:25 am
Not really, seeing as how you
Not really, seeing as how you made it up.
Have you decided how many people you are going to be a dick to today, or does it flow naturally?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 08:32 am
You related a story wherein
You related a story wherein you were reprimanded by a company for sexual harassment. Twice.
Then you sought legal representation against the company.
That was your story. I didn't edit those facts. Lol. What was made up? Please to explain.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 08:37 am
No no, only once. The second
No no, only once. The second was something different, and was found to be a total fabrication. It caused a big conundrum for many people, but not me.
The whole being let go, that you have been making up, is BS. Never happened.
Back to reality. What’s it like, day in and day out, harassing people on the internet for fun? What does it take to get off on that?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 08:38 am
I see the sun came up again
I see the sun came up again this morning.
The ECM thread is so much more interesting.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 08:38 am
And please, stop deflecting
And please, stop deflecting with your made up story about me. We are talking about the here and now, what we can all see that you do every day.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _ ateix
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 08:47 am
Actually, BrianK, this is a
Actually, BrianK, this is a thread about sexual harassment and people who have been alleged of perpetrating it. Let's take a moment to meditate on that and to calibrate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 08:52 am
And that’s the reason I
And that’s the reason I posted in this thread. You are “that guy” who took it to a trashy place as a way to get back at me. Classy.
In case you haven’t noticed, nobody else jumped on your little bandwagon, which is kind of rare for this place. Wonder why? Do you really think you’re looking good here?
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on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 09:06 am
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 09:56 am
>>>>do you collect
>>>>do you collect unemployment or does your husband give you an allowance?
Is this how you start a conversation with a stay at home mom in line at the grocery?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 10:27 am
I’m confused. You’ve never
I’m confused. You’ve never claimed to be a full time parent. You have always said that you clean pools for a living. You come across as bitter because you’re a really smart dude, but that’s what you’ve been relegated to.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 10:34 am
I work when my son is in
I work when my son is in school.
My wife makes more than me. Do you find that funny enough to use as a put down?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 10:38 am
No, I find you to be a whiny
No, I find you to be a whiny shit-stirrer who begrudges others. I don’t have an issue with you or your lifestyle.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 10:41 am
And Slack, don’t play
And Slack, don’t play innocent. You did quote me and then use “dirty sexual predator” in the next sentence. That was just st weak shit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 10:41 am
What do I whine about?
What do I whine about?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call" Knotesau
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 10:43 am
I added 'real' and 'dirty'
I added 'real' and 'dirty' to stir some shit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible? Number 6
on Saturday, November 18, 2017 – 10:52 am
This thread has really
This thread has really drifted from being about Louis CK to being about Brian BK, hasn't it?