The democratic response to Court Packing question

how many senate dems vote to confirm ACB? 

all of them? 

90%? 

75%?

Like the last 2 SCOTUS confirmations, they are expecting close to 0% of Dems voting "aye."

zero questions about her ties to shell and the upcoming climate case involving shell. 

The senate dems find themselves in a unique position to make th em selves all look good by voting no, while knowing she will get in either way. 

The senate dems find themselves in a unique position to make th em selves all look good by voting no, while knowing she will get in either way. 
 

my guess is definitely some dem senate vote for "aye"

Great time to be a dem senator right now. Literally have to do nothing and collect a fat pay check. 

Repugs as well.

I'm pretty sure the D senators would rather be legislating than watching/participating in this sham.

>zero questions about her ties to shell and the upcoming climate case involving shell.<

Harris asked her about climate change. Barrett said she shouldn't comment because the science is debatable and she won't comment on issues that she may have to litigate. 

at least mr. whitehouse used his time well.

i mean if they are goiung to participate in the charade....

>>how many senate dems vote to confirm ACB? 

>>all of them? 

>>90%? 

>>75%?
 

Do you really consider that a possibility? I think zero, but certainly no more than one or two.

^Lindsey Graham said as much, though he was referring to the committee. I believe it will be the same for the full Senate. 

"All Republicans will vote yes. All Democrats will vote no." 

-Lindsey Graham 

Three D Senators voted for Gorsuch:  Donnely (Indiana) Heitkamp (North Dakota) and Manchin.

Heidtkamp & Donnely lost the 2018 election to Republicans anyway.

None of their votes mattered.

The only D Senator to vote for Kavanaugh was Manchin.

Manchin is from W. Virginia.

His vote did not matter.

If you want Manchin instead of a Republican, you have to let him appease the racist morons who inhabit his state.

States like North Dakota, Indiana and West Virginia are pretty hopeless cesspools of Trumpers.

Chancellor, heat's not right about a lot of things political but at least he still feels strongly about the right to voice his opinion. It IS a democracy after all. 

I just got my ballot yesterday and was gonna consult with him on the correct way I should vote, but decided to consult with someone who has winning strategies and doesn't paint themselves into a corner of irrelevance. 

I look forward to seeing Joe Biden with a different Senate and then heat and I can be on the same team trying to move Joe to the left. First things first. Flush the turd on November 3rd.    

He's got better than just Progressives. His veep is a goddamn Communist monster, and he's not far behind.

I know this because Pussy Grabber said so!

Biden gonna have a slow time if he wins the presidency if they can't flip the senate. Guy is literally going to do nothing lol. The system is designed to do pretty much nothing so he fits perfectly.

These guys get to sit around and play out this bulshit game and pretend to be important and collect American tax payer dollars. Weird that they even need to draw out the whole trial and charade. The outcome is already set

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-chance-taking-senate-forecast-clean-s...

Oh, Zooey, that's an encouraging prediction. Possible? I hope so.

Just do what Trump admin & surrogates do when asked a question they don't want answer. Ask a question in return or give a statement.

why?

why not just clearly and honestly tell the american people the truthful answer to the question? we all know what the answer is.

"we are considering it and do not want to take the option off the table, nor commit to supporting it"

easy.

biden and harris are obviously trying to obscure the fact that they are actively considering a wildly unpopular decision, and they are doing a terrible job at it. their refusal to clearly answer the question has blown up on fox news, conservative social media pages, and trump is even making ads about it. its a political version of the streisand effect, in a way. if they would just give a clear answer, the issue would not be gaining nearly as much negative publicity.

"we are considering our options at this time and have not made a decision"

"we are leaning towards no but dont want to take our options off the table yet"

"yes"

"no"

if they would have just clearly and honestly told people that they are still examining the issue and are not ready to commit to a position yet i doubt the issue would have blown up as much as it has.

or hey, heres a wild thought...JUST ANSWER NO!!!!

its wildly unpopular, unfair and sets a dangerous precedent that could destroy the supreme court.

the supreme court has been the defender of slavery and white supremacy since its inception save for the warren court...

i agree daylight, they should just say no.

however the candidate could have answered plenty of the questions. what good does asking them, it was a repeat of the same playbook as the "I LIKE BEER" dude.

Haters gonna hate

as long as lovers love?

fuck that lady

Dianne Feinstein Heaps Praise On Lindsey Graham After Amy Coney Barrett Hearing

The two senators even shared a hug afterward. Now a progressive group is calling for her removal from the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Covid Barrett's real un-voiced answer is "I'd have to ask my husband."

Barrett answered all those questions exactly how she should have answered them: "I can't tell you now how I'd rule because I haven't seen the case."

Ultimately, isn't that what we want from a Supreme Court justice? She very well may be bullshitting, but she's saying that she won't automatically vote to overturn anything and everything to do with Roe v Wade or the ACA. She'll pass judgement based on the individual legal merits of the case.

This is exactly what we've seen Roberts do recently. He's shocked many people with his opinions, which are based on interpretation of laws rather than the underlying issues. Maybe, just maybe, she'll show that same level of legal impartiality.

I watched some of the hearings and was quite impressed with her. She's 48, has been a legal assistant for 2 SCOTUS judges,  scams a professor when she was in her 20s, was in a private practice, and has been a federal circuit judge. All this while raising a hockey team of kids, one with Downs Syndrome. She is also unflappable. I don't have to agree with her social views to see that she is worthy of respect.

Se is going to be a justice. Let's hope that she does a good job, because that's all we can do.

Maybe, just maybe, a judge with only three years experience who has never tried a case and is a member of the Handmaid cult shouldn't be on the SC.

At least we can still impeach Kavanagh.

I'm trying to find some light here. Don't harsh my mellow.

BK votes to approve...

all the Q's were simple and answerable.

- armed vigilantes / voter intimidation : Y, that is illegal

- peaceful transfer of power : Y, of course 

by the way, not sure if someone under 50 has the combined life expericence, work exp, and historical knowledge/understanding to serve on the court.

Personally, I don't agree with confirming judge Barrett or packing the court.

Politically, judge Barrett should be confirmed

and 

Joe should also grab his balls and admit "Damn right I'm gonna pack the Supreme Court if I have the leverage."

Although most of the questions seemed simple and answerable, they were too weak and we're going to elicit the same response she gave to them.

And no, I'd never vote to put her on the bench

She's a milf.

Joe has no leverage lol. The hearings are over. The republicans will push it through because the Dems are completely powerless over the situation.

>>  The republicans will push it through because the Dems are completely powerless over the situation.

No shit, Sherlock.

Is that your dramatic reading of "53 is bigger than 47"?

What part of "if you don't own the Senate you are fucked " did you miss in high school civics class?

To repeat myself:  Lots of us supported (and continue to supprt, duh) Biden because:

1) we want to get rid of Donald;

2) we want to maximize the chance of taking the Senate.

Both of those goals require centrists to vote for the Democrats, which means not nominating a Socialist from Vermont..

Math is hard.

But not that hard.

Steve,  high school civics is way beyond probably one third of the U.S.  population's comprehension capabilities,  In my opinion. 

<<<>>>Both of those goals require centrists to vote for the Democrats, which means not nominating a Socialist from Vermont..

Math is hard.

But not that hard.

<<>>>>>

but your math failed miserably in 2016. centrists are holding the country back, just like the perfectly operational duopoly. 

$2 for a side of ranch is also funny math.  Capitalism!

Jaz, your opinion is probably prett accurate.

pyramid, the left fucked the center in 2000 and 2016.  How'd that work out for the left?

p.s.

Some states don't matter.  e.g., Vermont, sure they elected a socialist, nobody lives there.

But if any state that matters should be able to elect a leftist, it would be California.

How do you explain DiFi?   She's pretty much Susan Collins.

racket you stalk my business page as well? 

what fucking weird thing to do. you're trash. 

weird steve -- i get it man, you've bought into the dem eatablishment, and will defend them at all costs. 

the reality is the people, us, have no representation at the federal level, and both parties want to keep it that way. 

sen. feinstein is a neoliberal. you've bought so hard into the lesser of two evils, that you refuse to acknowledge that the duopoly doesn't care who is in charge, as long as it's a dem or rep that obeys their corporate masters. 

nothinf will eve change. 

your party fought sanders harder than they did the ACB nomination. says it all tbh. 

now he'll about how the dems "couldn't do anything" except play nice, praise the evil lady, hug their fellow corporate team members, and carry on while the american public suffers w/ no stimulus. 

What are these things rhe Dems can do?

ask yourself, is this how the gop would handle the situation if the sides were flipped? 

the answer is fuck no. 

Well, they would cheat in any way possible. Is that what we want the Dems to do?

yeah, look where we are b/c the dems keep showing up w/ a knife to a gun fight. 

Like it or not, the vast manly of the population doesn't think our system is inherently fucked, nor do they think that the Party candidates, in every election, are inherently evil.

You're in the fringe minority, ogkb. You're fantastic at pointing out every problem, but still are unable to outline any viable solutions that take into account that most people don't think like you. That's the general failing of the vocal far left.

I've asked you and others, dozens of times, for viable solutions. Nobody has anything to offer. It's just more complaining.

>your party fought sanders harder than they did the ACB nomination. says it all tbh. <

swish.

Swish? That's more of an air ball.

well, it's true.

2 bucks is a lot for ranch dressing. 

Manfred, once again you have proven that all you can do is try to come up with fifth grade insults and speak like a child when having a conversation. If you expect to be treated with respect then maybe try treating others with it? Just a suggestion. 
 

If you're only goal is to "get rid" of trump and go back to playing the same game with the senate and congress than you're just going through the motions and wasting more time and fishing back in the sea for the same answers with the same questions. The two party political system has failed in providing any kind of real change and one would think that the older generations understand that but they simply do not. 
 

I don't have any kind of judgment for the older folks nowadays. I have accepted that many of the older generation are just waiting it out about to retire and collect SS and Medicare so those of you that are congrats and that's great. Just remember that some of us actually have to live in this world for the next 40-50 yrs. Even those that think they only have 10-20 years left in the workforce could be in for a rude awakening when trying to retire.

If you think Biden is going to get into office and magically save the country your in for a big surprise. The damage done is from years and years of corruption and greed based industrialized government and the life lines for the working class are disappearing. The US gov just shelled out more money than they ever have and the only way to act like they are closing the deficit is to take it back from us. Doesn't matter who gets in, the lower class communities will continue to suffer with their hard earner dollars. Only problems is they don't do anything with your money lol. They just hold it and say "SS is running out". 
 

if you're on your way out and you're only in this for self gratification then maybe it might be a good idea to just step aside. Enjoy your days as a spectator.

If you're sittin pretty and can help then look to help those in need not political parties. 

It's only true if you spin it that way. Yeah, the DNC didn't love Bernie. So what? It wasn't some Machiavellian scheme. Ultimately, the voters decided, and the DNC didn't cast those ballots. Bernie lost because he was less popular. Deal with it. ACB will get the nomination because the Republicans have the majority, not because the Dems didn't fight hard enough.

Oh, and look at Timpane, once again bitching and moaning about the problems and blaming. Yet, still unable to give even one viable solution.

bk is a real progressive. 

jr is conflicted. 

Timpy got "you're" and "your" wrong (twice) just to solidify his 100% wrong rating.  

I'm a realist, ogkb. I'm not a whiner, blamer and complainer. As a result, I may not be your kind of Progressive because I don't do that shit, and I'm okay with it. I'd rather look for solutions that have a chance of working. I'll leave the crying and bitching to your type of Progressives. We're a rainbow.

I'd gladly cash in my dairy-free diet to get straight up sick on pies and custard at heat's pad.

and anyone who needs to dunk this ridiculous food in fuckin basic ass ranch dressing deserves to pay extra.

I'm guessing that his ranch is far from basic Hidden Valley.

Here in Vermont people love to dip their pizza in ranch. They learn it in school. From k-12, pizza is dipped in soups of dressing. 

>>> 2 bucks is a lot for ranch dressing.  <<<

High quality ingredients cost more than a bottle might (I don't know how much that is, I don't buy bottled dressings) plus cost of time for assembly. Size of side portion? A lot to consider, JR.

>>>>>and anyone who needs to dunk this ridiculous food in fuckin basic ass ranch dressing deserves to pay extra.

Why can't people eat the way they want without being treated as less by fart sniffing foodies? 

> your party fought sanders harder than they did the ACB nomination. says it all tbh. <

>> swish.

> It's only true if you spin it that way. Yeah, the DNC didn't love Bernie. So what? It wasn't some Machiavellian scheme. Ultimately, the voters decided, and the DNC didn't cast those ballots. Bernie lost because he was less popular. Deal with it. ACB will get the nomination because the Republicans have the majority, not because the Dems didn't fight hard enough.

from the top of the keeeeeey, dunk!

>>> Why can't people eat the way they want without being treated as less by fart sniffing foodies? <<<

you can still get ranch with your dough at pizza hut, dominos, etc...

they've been doing that forever, so I'm told.

that ranch costs no more than 20 cents to make, including the small (of course Vermont compost friendly plastic cup).

sold at $2 is a 900% markup or 90% profit margin. 

------------------------------------

bk is a real progressive. 

<<jr is conflicted.

if being an unabashed super fan of Hillary makes me conflicted, then so be it. 

Food Nazis suck.

What, you want ranch and a fork for your slice?

No slices!

ranch dressing is for suckers

anyone who eats it deserves to be cheated

Good pizza doesn't need dippin'.

shrimp sauce (white girl sauce) is the motts...

still haven't figured out why nobody's capitalized on that.

artisinal, for a dipper?

people would lose their mind.

$3

>>> Good pizza doesn't need dippin' <<<

agreed blues, but how you gonna choke down all that carbon

hahahaha. 

fucking good stuff in here. 

but racket and thod stalk and post. 

losers. 

<<<>>>Good pizza doesn't need dippin'.

agreed. vermonters love their dips tho. it's all the shitty pizza places fault. bk knows. 

the fermented hot sauce is $2 as well. total rip off. 

we also give out house made chili flake -- total rip off and it tastes stellar :) 

Chronixx - Likes 

[Intro]
A no everybody a go like we
(A no everybody a go like we)
Still we irie
Cah me no love likes, hmm
Inna dancehall style
A no everybody a go like we
(A no everybody a go like we)
Still me irie
Cah we no love likes, no
(Every song me write)
(An' a every time me voice)
Say every time me voice

[Chorus]
Me dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes
(Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes)
Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes
(Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes)
Mek dem know
Success don't come overnight
No mek dem know a substance over hype
Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes
(Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes)

[Verse 1]
Nuff a dem love likes, that no right
Sidung and a post and a tweet whole night
See dem 'pon social media a type
Gwaan like say dem deh a studio a voice
How me never buck dem up 'pon no flight
And me never see dem a live no tour life
You, Mr. Man, how you have so much likes? Hmm-mmm
A Marley still a lead 'pon iTunes

[Pre-Chorus]
Simple mean say we no ready yet
People put the music first, dancehall
While we deh yah and a war and a hype
Ri-Ri a work-work-work dancehall
When you see me hail Selassie I (no)
And every tune man me ever write (no)
And every show weh we headline (no)
No we no dweet fi the likes, mek me tell dem

[Chorus]
Me dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes
(Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes)
Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes
(Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes)
Never tell the youth fi buss a shot and queng dem
Instead me tell you sell your gun and buy a yeng yeng
Cah we dweet fi the love, me no dweet fi the likes
(Dweet fi the love, me no dweet fi the likes)

[Verse 2]
Wha'ppen to dem!
Sing
Dem no like we, but we no response
Fly out and mek dem love we from a distance
Come home fi two weeks vacation
Nuff a dem still stuck inna the quick sand
A nuff me hear a say dem a the big man
Inna Jamaica a dem have the hit song
A Gentleman me hear a play a Finland
Me never hear dem play inna Pakistan
That simple mean we no ready yet
Stop gwaan like a you own dancehall
While we deh yah and a war and a hype
No Drake a control dancehall
Gi' me a beat and a mic (no)
Ready fi go studio go voice (no)
But when me put da song yah 'pon me timeline (no)
No, me no dweet fi the likes, mek me tell dem

[Chorus]
Me dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes
(Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes)
Jesus Christ
Dweet fi the love, we nah dweet fi the likes
(Dweet fi the love, me nah dweet fi the likes)
Skanking to the beat, everybody move your feet
Granny know fi dweet and me mummy know fi dweet
Wha'ppen to dem?
(Dweet fi the love, me no dweet fi the likes)

[Verse 3]
Hey!
When me mix da tune yah and drop it like a bomb
Me no waan no waste guy a critique me song
Me no waan no media guy interpret me wrong
So mek me give you credits inna dancehall fashion
Fuss, big up Kalonji and the one Capleton
The Wild Apache and the one Ninjaman then
Then, big up the Killa and the one Beenie Man
King Yellowman, Burro, Buju Banton
Early B, Nachilus, him a the don
Major Mackerel him sister Diamond
And none a dem no bad like Marion
Lady Saw, you a real big woman
Big up Lady G, cah you a The La Vegan
Big up Dirtsman an' him bredda Papa San
Big up Gary Minott, you doh know you a don
Big up Chronicle, you a the tall lakka tan
Steely, Clevie, Tony and Dave Kelly
Bobby Digital, the general King Jammy
Xterminator and Sly and Robbie
Steven McGregor and Corleone
Big up Suku, Lenky and Bulby
Donovan Germain, Grafton Mikey
Deep inna the science and now me ready
All these cub scouts haffi talk up to me

seemed like the right time...

haha 

JR you know you pay 1000 plus dollars for a phone that costs around one dollar to make right? Fucking guys. 
 

Even 20 cents for ranch dressing is too expensive for a cheapskate like Ned to pay for it. 

Once again sad to watch a bunch of washed up middle aged losers stalk and complain about a guy who works his ass off to serve great food.

Once again sad to watch a bunch of washed up middle aged losers stalk and complain about a guy who works his ass off to serve great food.

3 hours a day is hardly working your ass off.  

bk's spin is the only spin...

eyeroll.

so much oversimplification of a coordinated effort to get ANYONE other than the old dude from vermont, who...you know, actually had a movement.

the dems willingness to even show up and tke part in the charade is complicit.

the result is, we get the nazi version of the populist.

Lots of Lol material in here...

Lol

timpane, for the record, how old are you? 

Oversimplification, Turts? Go take a look at your original dumbass post. I at least made some points. You just whine and complain.

Yeah, they should just boycott it. That'll show them!

Blue/Bleu Cheese is preferable to ranch for some of us.

jr is conflicted. 

More creepy stalker questions from JR. These guys just don't learn lol

Alright, so I've had zero time to post recently and have just been in other headspaces, so sorry to just jump in, but BK man, you have a couple of non-sequitors that you use frequently that really don't mean anything. The whole "what solution do you propose?" line of question is retarded (sorry) for two reasons.

1) This is the fucking PhilZone, homey. We don't actually need to solve major world problems. We're, in general terms, a large band of merry stoners talking shit on a website, with some variation. I prefer for the experts in a field to find solutions to their relevant problems. Isn't that why they're hired? So for example, you hire (yes, hire) a congressman to represent the needs of a voting district, I expect that congressman to do his/her fucking job professionaly, 'cause that's what they're getting paid a damn good salary to do. I don't go to the doctor's office with solutions on how to heal myself when I need to be healed, either. I may think the doctor is doing a shitty job for several reasons (if I don't heal and I've followed the indications), but that doesn't mean I have to know the solutions, right?

2) What solution have you ever offered? Basically, it boils down to "I'm going to keep on doing the same shitty rinse-repeat cycle of voting for the centrist neocon/neoliberal dem and then hope that we magically win the house and senate and then hope that magically this merry bunch of centris neocon/neolibs all of a sudden become true representatives of the people". No offense, man, but the solution you offer is lazy as shit. It just involves walking to a voting booth once every four years and then patting yourself on the back about how you did the right thing, while Trump is in office anyways.

I've told you my solution over and over but you fail to recognize it as a solution. I've told you over and over that bullshit corporate politicians have validity thanks to votes. The less people actually vote for anyone, the less validity any of them have. By broadening the gap between the rulers and the ruled, you create the social tension that allows for true change to happen. Voting only ever achieves tweaking of policies and ideas. True change happens on the street, whether by large peaceful protests or by violent elements. No, I am not advocating for revolution, but rather a strategy of pulling back from politics (IF and only IF they don't actually represent the alleged voting block) and creating spaces for greater protest. By voting for the "lesser of two evils" you NEVER add to the solution, but rather constantly push in the direction of greater corporate rule, and therefore continuing to do so will never improve the problem.

Deny it all you want, but the DNC made a concerted effort to stonewall Bernie, NOT because the voting majority wasn't interested, but because the corporate minority was threatened by him. How many people actually even vote in primaries? They do not in any way represent the true will of the people, but when you have a corporate owned and run system, in true corporate strategy, you present the consumer with two choices that are apprently the only choices and lock them into that. So Bernie lost the primaries, sure. Was the playing field even? Did Bernie get a legitimate chance or was he stonewalled by the corporate elite as usual? You all can whine all you want about the Bernie bros crying over spilled milk, but the truth is he was the only shot there was at having a decent presidency with an actual change of paradigm. Even if the dems win the Senate and Biden gets the Presidency, who fucking cares? They're dominated by corporate whores anways, it WON'T matter. Just ask Dianne Feinstein and her good buddy Lindsay Graham. 

And you all still ridicule anyone who disagrees with you but the fact remains: you corporate dem voters created Donald Trump and will now in all likelihood watch as you deliver the presidency to him again, or watch as an inept and weak Biden let's a multiplicity of forces tear at him while he tries to hold the country together and in all likelihood fails. 

But hey, I may be wrong.

^ yawn

bernie was sooo last week...

some people can't deal when they don't get their way.

your condescending bullshit doesn't equate to having a conversation,

it's just a tired weak-ass troll.

>. By voting for the "lesser of two evils" you NEVER add to the solution,..

Survival is all about choosing the lesser of two evils. Idealists are killing democracy and the planet with that BS

..

..

Javs, you are advocating not voting.

That;s what Trump wants as well.

If it walks like a duck...

The left is now united in trying to defeat trump.  Anyone who is advocating for not voting for Biden is out of touch with reality in this country.  Every local, grassroots and national organization of which I am a member or supporter or even with which I am only aware is united in the fight to defeat trump and his nazi/white supremacist supporters/administration.  Even the "radical left" is part of the fight to defeat trump.  

Dude who lives in another country and whose family proudly served in a fascist dictatorship is lecturing us on democracy.  lol.  

yeah, i'm saying why take part?

take a stand...if its all fucking rubber stamped anyways?

but yeah they asked some questions, that didn't get answered. what good did that do? if they made a media spectacle of the sham proceedings maybe it helps?

i dunno, but again, roll over, ass up...

what's my original lame ass post? i didn't start this thread.

tod, go wash your underwear.

why take part?

Stop the coup.  Defend democracy. 

Lol, the suburban generic rasta is giving lectures on morality now while openly advocating for supporting a global imperialist economy that destroys the planet and countries. It's ok right, Judah? So long as it's Afghani children that have to die and not anybody in your pretty little gas guzzling American suburb. How many square feet does your house have? How much yard? How many miles you travel regularly in your gas guzzler?

Lol, it's no wonder you defend Biden. Now go rub some tea tree oil in your dreads while you preach to someone who cares about how righteous you are.

Boycott corporate democracy. It's done.

Hey, just out of curiousity, anyone remember when Obama and the dems had control of the House and Senate? What exactly was it he accomplished in those two years in terms of any kind of progressive or forward thinking (non-corporate) policies? 

And BTW: the coup already happened. You all voted in favor of it...

^ you got a lil over 2 weeks to convince people not to vote.

good luck with that, lol

Lol, the pro-trump, pro-uncle augusto, closeted fascist troll posing as a wanna be armchair che.   i didn't "openingly advocate for supporting a globalist imperialist econocy," lol!  

The adults in the room, baby che, understand that you don't have to be pro-biden, a democrat or really anything else other than a decent human being in order to rise the fucking occasion and be anti-trump and anti-fascist.  

Now go back to your thread waxing poetic about the goodle days allegedly growing up in chile during the pinochet fascist dictator, baby che.

my boots have been on the ground in the movement to uplift oppressed communities, fight for democracy and against fascists since you were in diapers. 

baby che, do yourself and ourselves a favor, listen more, speak less, educate yourself.  Check out some of the following:

Poor Peoples' Campaign

National Lawyers' Guild

Protect the Results

Seed the Vote

Advancing Justice 

Bay Resistance

Southern Crossroads

LUCHA

Arizona Center for Empowerment

Lol, conquering kitty cat is growling. Go back to grooming your dreads and feeling good about voting Biden, if that's what gets the gas in your subaru, right?

Let me guess, Forester? Or Outback?

Let me guess, Forester? Or Outback?

I for one dip every bite of pizza in ranch. Nothing against pizza, I just really like ranch.

I also dip onion rings in mayo

2004 Legacy. 44,000 miles. Jav, we don't all fit your idea of the paradigm.

I will vote for Biden. I am choosing against Trump. (My state doesn't really matter in voting for pres but my vote means something going into the future). I am choosing the lesser of evils. The rigidity expressed by some about voting against someone who is actively tearing us into little tiny shreds with racism, dirty air, dirty water, people killed by the authorities being okay, etc. in favor of someone who can work with other lawmakers in coalitions to create a healthier and better future... your horse is high. Get off it.

If I were to vote for anyone else wouldn't I be voting for Trump? He and his VP make me feel vicious.

I like french fries dipped in Dijon mustard.

^ Impreza, just broke 200k!

its our "town car" (looks down nose)

have you ever tried the country dijon grey poupon? It's awesome.

i'm more of a spicy brown guy, myself.  preferably on pastrami or a kosher all beef dog, ya know, baby che.  not exactly, an ital diet, dip shit.  lol. 

i replaced my 20 year old subaru with a honda a few years ago. lol.

you are a pro trump troll masquerading as a woke baby che wanna be.  

Javs,

#1, you're bloviating

#2, when you used "retarded," I stopped reading. If you needed to apologize as soon as you typed it, you shouldn't have done it in the first place. It's pretty sickening, especially from someone who purports to be as woke as you. In my mind, it makes you no different than someone who throws around edit: racial/sexist/ethnic slurs and epithets.

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Is there gas in the car? Yes, there's gas in the car.

Yes, Bss, there's Country Dijon Grey Poupon in the fridge as well. Quite a few different mustards, they all have their use.

"By broadening the gap between the rulers and the ruled, you create the social tension that allows for true change to happen. Voting only ever achieves tweaking of policies and ideas. True change happens on the street, whether by large peaceful protests or by violent elements. No, I am not advocating for revolution, but rather a strategy of pulling back from politics (IF and only IF they don't actually represent the alleged voting block) and creating spaces for greater protest. By voting for the "lesser of two evils" you NEVER add to the solution, but rather constantly push in the direction of greater corporate rule, and therefore continuing to do so will never improve the problem." 

You sound a lot unlike those dip shit boogaloo pricks and every white supremacist who tried to prevent enfranchise or promote disenfranchisement of blacks, women, pocs, immigrants, and poor people.  Your persona sucks, ya nazi sympathezing baby che.  You really should just listen/read threads that deal with american politics and current events. you are out of touch with our reality. you should get out of your basement in wherever you really are and see that in the US these issues have real life consequences for people.

Vote like your life (and that of others) depends on it. 

some supermarket delis have free self serve mayo and mustard packets

there's one near here that has 5 kinds of mustard, 4 kinds of relish, ranch and mayo packets

catsup sux

Javs has the luxury of not having to live in a Trump run USA. Most here don't. That matters a lot. 
 

mayo on onion rings is a sin. Bloody awful. 
Ketchup and Tapitia for me, please. 

>catsup sux<

But how do you feel about ketchup?

I'm coining the term "neo-progressive." It's defined as elitist, ageist, anti-Semitic, abileist, and totally out of touch with reality.

I'm no neo-liberal, but damn, I'll take them over these neo-progressive jokers any day.

 this whole adding "neo" to shit to sound smart or something is weird.

neo progressive would be an oxymoron.

neo (whatever), in the sense of politics, means capitalist-centric. (Yes, I understand that's a pretty broad generalization). It means to be (liberal, or conservative, or whatever,) in deference to capitalism. It means your social and political policies follow whatever economic markets dictate. It means a capitalist washed version of whatever you're neo-ing. That's really all.

Ha ha. I wasn't adding it to sound smart sounding. The term "neoliberal," in the amount it gets used here, is annoying, so I did a little riff on that. It also just so happens that one of the people who uses it the most is elitist, ageist, ableist and anti-Semitic. Maybe I'll stick with "fake progressive."

 By the way, Bss, the prefix "neo" means "new," no more or less. Just because someone called the liberals, who are beholden to the almighty dollar, "neoliberals," it doesn't mean that the prefix means that.  

BK thinks putting his unnecessarily racist slurs in quotes makes it ok. A classic old white guy syndrome.

Haha, I have the pleasure of living in an American run "third world". We've been dealing with the blunt end of your Trump/American values for 100 years, no difference at all under dems or reps. 
 

BK, you've never answered a point I've made, so nothing new from you. But at least now you have a "never address the point" buddy. Maybe you two together can swap progressive credentials while standing in line to vote for Biden.

And Judit, lol, Biden's gonna work for your health? That's cute but naievity loses its cuteness after a certain point in life...

"Javs has the luxury of not having to live in a Trump run USA. Most here don't. That matters a lot."

Med, you oughta get out of the US sometime, go see what a American run global hegemony looks like in practice. You manage to keep the USA pretty by exporting all your war, trash and greed to the rest of the world. Like so many American things, your dem run status quo was a phony plastic reality. 

I told you, Javs, I didn't read your post so I do t know what your point was.

Timpane, you are so out of your league with this that it's stupid. I know that you don't get it because you've thrown out the "r word" dozens of times. And yes, it's the same as all those other slurs.  

Jav, I do believe that Biden/Harris's agenda will include a healthier approach to people, the planet (yes, I know, they're not ending fracking), relationships with the countries, personal health, THAN Trump's is or would be in the future if he's re-elected and that he'll work with others to improve the trajectory we're now on. You don't?

And I'm just fucking cute, Jav, because I have joie de vivre and a belief in others. My smile is real, the twinkle in my eyes is real, and those are part of my cute.

Javs, I can't leave the country right now because of Trump's incompetence. I've traveled plenty so don't need comments from your tower. Your response was to paint a macro broad brush about American global greed/dominance, which is topic worth discussion, but is irrelevant to this election. It's different here with Trump in charge. He's whacked. I'm surprised he hasn't done more damage or started an October war.  I am truly afraid for this country if he gets 4 more years. You can laugh and point if Trump wins; you've made it very clear you want the USA to burn down.

This is literally the first thing that google came up with

ne·o·lib·er·al

/ˌnēōˈlibərəl/

adjective

relating to or denoting a modified form of liberalism tending to favor free-market capitalism.

So anyways

BK Remember when you thought the Fourth of July was a celebration for white privilege? 
 

President Trump has called on armed paramilitary militias to "monitor" polling places. He has stated that he will not accept a losing result. There was an active plot to mix all and kill the governor of Michigan.

That's the fucking America we live in, and it has to stop. At this point, if there's a revolution, it's going to be by those militias, behind Trump.

Sitting it out on philosophical grounds isn't a fucking option.

What the fuck!

>>BK Remember when you thought the Fourth of July was a celebration for white privilege? 
 

Dude, lol, I guess you totally misunderstood me on that, just like you are on this.

neo-

/ˈnēˌō/

combining form

1. 

new.

"neonate"

2. 

a new or revived form of.

"neo-Georgian"

I LOVE vegemite smeared lightly on a heavily buttered hardy slice of dark  bread, its a bit of heaven

if your a fan of corporate salt

although I haven't met a salt I don't love yet

joy is not invited to the pot luck

I have witnessed, with my own eyes, Vegemite consumed in ways that would inspire shock and awe.

I'm at the party wondering what besides the obligatory platter of vegetables that came with the ranch dip that I can use the dip besides the wegetbles!

Chips? Tortilla chips?

Deli slices cheese plate?

Lotta variables involved.

Who's watchin'?

Who's spread is it?

How many folks want the dip?

Is attacking it early to get your fill the plan ?

Or wait till they had their fill and the rest is ALL yours!! Love it when that happens!

Any finger food at a soiree are susceptible to dips

"wait,wahtcu call me?"

I would agree you are often misunderstood.

Then again, I'm not the one calling a paw a poor.

You see, Ned, that's the thing - things may have changed in the US but they didn't change radically anywhere else, except for the massive validation of the far-right around the world. But nothing's changed in Chile in terms of economy or our 100% submission to the almighty American dollar.

Last October, one year ago yesterday, massive uprisings began in Chile. Throughout it all in Chile, everyone knew that if shit went too far, the military would come in, bomb everyone and take over the government. We know this for a fact because, well, it's happened before. You know why it's happened? Because everytime the economic situation in a third world country doesn't benefit its American corporate overlords, you all just go in and change the government. Who cares if it's a bloody dictatorship or a friendly economy, so long as the do master's bidding.

So that tension, that uncertainty, that fear you feel on the streets? Welcome to it. That's what we always feel in the third world thanks to your government's policies - equally bad during Clinton, W, Obama and Trump, no change at all. So yeah, sorry that it sucks but guess what? Your lilly-white normalcy that you felt before Trump took over, was a bullshit lie. It is massive warfare, pollution and social inequity in action that allows you your "best-in-the-world" lifestyle. But the rest of us pay the price. So I'm sorry if I don't feel a lot of compassion for what's happening in the US, something something, Malcolm X, chickens coming home to roost.

Now maybe you all should consider an option where you find a way to live your lives without socially, economically and ecologically destroying the rest of the planet?

And get rid of idiots like the conquering kitty cat of judah, who I can guarantee never had to run away to far Asia to get away from a dictator, who's never had any relatives that were picked up repeatedly in the night and tortured for being the manager of a metals company. Never had a dear friend who was pinched and tortured and jailed for 10 days for looking like a metal-head in the 80's. None of you all walk around downtown and then see a plaque on a building that says "350 women were tortured and raped in this building". No, you all just have pretty clean streets where everything work. 

So suck it up y'all, I regret to inform you that your lifelong quest for comfort and safety was a bullshit lie that you were sold. Now, you are starting to pay the bill for the comforts you have so readily enjoyed. Next step, either Trump continues to make clear the failures and corruption of the current system, or you get Biden trying to play unifier to a bunch of redneck racist militias and failing miserably at it while the country continues its descent into factionalism. 

Do I want to see America burn? No, definitely not. Not Glacier National Park, not California, not Utah. I don't want any of the kind or good people to suffer. I don't want any of the amazing universities to burn, etc. I just want to roast marshmallows on the bonfire of your corporate military economic model. But I'm sure nothing I do will bring about that result. But Donald Trump is bringing it closer everyday. Just ask China...

Oh look, more long paragraphs, mansplaining to the entitled and ignorant Americans what is wrong with our system and country, and telling us the only way out is to overturn it.

 By the way, your elitist, ageist and misogynistic post to Judit was super cute.

the dems fought bernie harder than the ACB nomination. 

the dnc hates bernie more than trump. why? b/c the dnc/biden is closer in ideology to trump than bernie -- bernie would have actually changed things -- i know, bk thinks that would have been impossible so he's defending anything neoliberal -- like a real progressive lol. 

so when biden changes nothing, and the yas queen brunch liberals go back to brunch, you can blame the neds/thods/ras (that guy eats shit off the ground like dogs, right?)/weird steve's and all the other neoliberals who spread lies about bernie in the primary for the resurgence of racist corporate rule in 2024 and beyond. 

good work. 

And Javs, if you think that American hegemony is the big problem in the world you are being myopic. The underlying cause of both neoliberal and neoconservative policies in Europe and the Americas is Christian Hegemony. Until that gets addressed, on a very large scale, nothing will change.

If you don't know what Christian Hegemony is, I strongly suggest that you educate yourself. It drives neo economics. It drives foreign policy. It centers power and wealth in white, Christian males.

<<<>>>>If I were to vote for anyone else wouldn't I be voting for Trump?

no, you'd be voting for that person --- not trump. 

that logic is horrifically stupid. it's the corporate dems main strategy of vote shaming people into voting for the status quo. 

biden stands for nothing. he's running to fulfill his own personal vision of a perfect and fantastic life, he deserves this he tells himself. he's joe fucking biden. he will work to serve his corporate masters (which is why they took banning fracking off the table). you feel good about that? 

obama catered to all corporations -- biden is lining up to do the same. wall street got their candidate and they're laughing allllll the way to the bank. 

is biden a better human than trump? of course. 

the bar is so low though, that it means nothing. just being better than trump isn't enough.

No, ogkb, I don't defend anything neoliberal. I do tend to focus on truths, not half truths and lies.

cool. 

the only people that have spread lies are the people here who were against bernie in the primary. 

Dude, that's a Trumpish statement to right there.

what?

weird steve is still spreading lies. 

neoliberals told many lies here on this site all during the primary. 

Hey Heater, can You show the group Your Bernie tats?

BK, it was this statement of Judit's which I found cute:

"in favor of someone who can work with other lawmakers in coalitions to create a healthier and better future"

To which I say hardy-har-har. Joe Biden is working to create a healthier and better future is highly doubtful to me. The corporate genie has been let out of the box. 

I appreciate you making reference to Christian Hegemony and will research it more as a concept proper. I can imagine the central ideas of it, and imagine it makes sense. After all, European domination, global millitarization, colonialist economies and the various Christian churches have been intimately tied throughout western history. But I haven't heard of it as a concept and will research it, thank you.

I recently finished a biography about Baruch Spinoza and it talked about the conflict between the oppressive Calvinist church in 17th century Amsterdam, versus the progressive/liberal push by the mercantile class. The mercantile class was banking from the Jewish communities ties throughout Europe, thereby being able to avoid inquisition laws about importing good made by Jews from Spain and Portugal. In that particular scenario, it was the capitalist core that was moving the globalist view forward. Today, I feel like that is also true, in that God is now Money, and while the Christian domination continues to be real, anyone can play in the game so long as they are willing to get their hands dirty. I'm thinking semi-nomadic tribes become international moguls who control oil sources, or how China went from essentially an agrarian economy to second largest economy, etc.

But again, I'll look into the Christian Hegemony concept, read a little and get back to you. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

And I'm not mansplaining anything. Come down to Chile and I'll be glad to take you to some of the more famous torture sites, maybe even talk to someone who lived it. I'm not mansplaining what America does, I'm telling you that you all don't live it. Some of you have travelled more or less, but here the after-effects of the dictatorship are ever present and basically, without the US the dictatorship wouldn't have had the firepower or support to get off the ground or stay alive.

good day for bolivia at least. 

Yeah, we'll see how long the US lets them keep this government. The socialists in Bolivia now control congress, senate and executive. I get the feeling some folks might not like that.

Oh, right, you all remember the coup in Bolivia like a year ago, right? US backed? Put a far-right puppet in office for a while?

Good times...

>>>>>the only people that have spread lies are the people here who were against bernie in the primary. 

No lies; just my opinion that he couldn't beat Trump. Anyway, he dropped out before I could vote.

^true. you just said he was too old and angry. 

which is funny coming from you b/c you kinda get bent out of shape when somebody calls somebody else too old. 

<<<>>>Oh, right, you all remember the coup in Bolivia like a year ago, right? US backed? Put a far-right puppet in office for a while?

Good times...

yeah, the neoliberals here supported that. 

>>>>>^true. you just said he was too old and angry. 

Show me where I said that - don't think I did.

Also, there's a difference between insulting someone because they're old and saying they are too old to do x, y, or z.

oh you def did, but who cares. 

is biden too old, surf? 

>>>>>>Never had a dear friend who was pinched and tortured and jailed for 10 days for looking like a metal-head in the 80's.

Jean jacket with patches?

I would have preferred a younger candidate but this is the choice we have.. Personally, I'm too old to be president and have to deal with super high stress 24/7. I hope Joe is up to it  -  for 4 years anyway.

 Joe Biden is working to create a healthier and better future is highly doubtful to me<<<

I have no illusions about "the establishment"; however, I do hold out hope Joe Biden's "better angels" will rise to the surface and guide him forward to navigate the waters in such a way that may find meaningful systemic reform.  I hardly holding my breath, but I do think the potential still exists.   The option does exist for him to simply go "belly up" and approach everything as if he were the narrator in House of Cards and simply speak the truth and expose the system for what it is BECAUSE he was a player.  Again, not holding my breath.

>> So that tension, that uncertainty, that fear you feel on the streets? Welcome to it. That's what we always feel in the third world thanks to your government's policies <<

That's it, right there. We have avoided the wide fluctuations, insurrections and coups because of our Constitution and our three (I would argue four: free press) pillars of government. Checks and balances, with the military looking outside the borders, not within. You want to call it a lie? Go for it, but it's your opinion. You are definitely a "my house looks better if yours burns down" kind of person. I wish you and your family well, Javs, but do not accept your projections. Someone has to be the house on the hill.

^Pure White privileged ignorance spitting all over the place in that post. Really just smells of naive bullshit.

>Hey, just out of curiousity, anyone remember when Obama and the dems had control of the House and Senate? What exactly was it he accomplished in those two years in terms of any kind of progressive or forward thinking (non-corporate) policies? <

i think we gave wall st. some more tax cuts?

Ned, Chilean democracy is modelled on American democracy. We have the exact same pillars. But you know what realy destabilizes those pillars? When a global superpower starts putting money, weapons and training into the hands of people who want to destabilize thise pillars. It's funny/sad how you implicitly think those pillars are so important to Americans but not to the rest of the world because we're...what? Too savage? Too uncivilized? You act as though Americans are so righteous that only you guys ca maintain those pillars, but the truth is your govt goes out of its way to destabilize those pillars at its convenience all the time. 

Your Pax Americana ain't free, and everyone else pays the price. So yeah, if you feel it shake a littlee, well don't mind if we chuckle. We're used to earthquakes everywhere else...

You're lost, Timpy. It must be hard being you.

But Turtle, this time is going to be different, you'll see. The dems are gonna take back the senate and introduce healthy, earth friendly humane, non-corporate friendly policy. You watch, this time is for real...

Ned, Timpy was right, I was just being nice and trying to explain why.

ned sounds like trump. 

>> . It's funny/sad how you implicitly think those pillars are so important to Americans but not to the rest of the world because we're...what? Too savage? Too uncivilized? <<

I never said that, or even implied it. Please stop with the projections and gaslighting. My point is they have worked, mostly, to sustain political stability here. Again, the cloak and dagger shit can be discussed separately, and that shit is done by all global powers in different forms. I'm not justifying it, just saying it isn't exclusive to the USA/CIA et al.

Actually, pheater, you have been sounding more and more like Trump every day.

When Timpane is out of his league, he resorts to screaming "white privilege" or "old white dudes."

Timpane is often out of his league. He also freely uses the word "retarded," and thinks it's okay. Talk about privilege.

<<<>>>But Turtle, this time is going to be different, you'll see. The dems are gonna take back the senate and introduce healthy, earth friendly humane, non-corporate friendly policy. You watch, this time is for real...

haha. right?! 

the duopoly won. game over. 

we'll go back and forth between corporate styles of governing -- gop and dem. and the neoliberals will love it. of course they will. as will the gop. both sides yell when the other is in power, but that's it b/c they already know they both won, they both serve the same corporate masters, and they both aim to keep the people down. people in the usa will continue to die from not having healthcare, people will continue to go bankrupt for the same reason, all in the richest country in the history of the world. 

and proud boy neoliberals like thod have the audacity to post bernie quotes. 

funny stuff. 

i think ned has told more corporate media taking point lies about bernie in the primary than even weird steve. that's saying something. 

ned's daddy knows biden. lol. 

daddy had to tell ned who to vote for. 

remember how the corpratists were openly saying they'd vote trump if bernie was the nominee?

telling.

^ I didn't see anyone here say they'd vote for Trump over Bernie. I certainly didn't.

>>> and proud boy neoliberals like thod have the audacity to post bernie quotes. <<<

bernie is voting biden

bernie understands what's at stake


you don't

incel is gonna incel I guess, smh

remember when pelosi willingly signed off on all of trump's military budgets, but said no to more stimulus for the people. 

thod fought against real change during the primary. 

but now thod cares. 

fucking joker. 

ned, many business leaders and DNC insiders were quoted as saying that. i can google it if you want...

>>> thod fought against real change during the primary. <<<

who are you talking to?

you're falling apart man

OK turtle, but obviously that doesn't apply to everyone.

I think pheater has twisted people's observations last spring regarding Bernie's electability (Bernie vs Trump) as either support for Trump and/or succumbing to the corporate masters. Neither are correct, of course. Political pragmatism and reality based conclusions shouldn't be twisted and held against someone.

Bill Gates Open to Voting Trump, Worried about Warren's Tax Plan

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/bill-gates-open-voting-trump-worr...

Oh, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me about the amazing things the Dems did when they had control of both houses and the executive. Anyone?

ACA...a needed first step. Plus, he rescued an economy in a tailspin.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/president-barack-obamas-first-two-yea...

"During his first two years in office, President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies in Congress compiled a substantial record of policy accomplishment—the economic stimulus, bringing the financial system back from the brink of collapse, rescuing two automakers, universal health care, sweeping reform of financial regulation, and major changes in student loan programs, among many others.  Nevertheless, the political standing of both the president and congressional Democrats slipped steadily through much of this period, and the voters administered a substantial rebuke in the November 2010 midterm elections. While some contests remain unresolved, the Democrats have lost at least six Senate seats, at least ten governorships, and more than sixty House seats, the most for a mid-term election since 1938.  By any measure, this is a substantial and consequential expression of public discontent..."

But, whatever, right? His next 6 years were met with stern resistance from the Senate.

I'll take a stab at answering Javs' bullshit and loaded question, with the only answer he'll accept:

Obama was a centrist neoliberal, and those beliefs guided his policies. As a result, and although he was able to get policies through in the first 2 years, the things he did were along those lines. They weren't progressive and they didn't do anything that Progressives wanted. Obama and his Democratic majority Congress were Party Democrats, which perpetuated an evil system that continued to screw over the working class.

See, it's easy to give people stupid answers to stupid questions.

yes i agree the aca was a good 1st step.

even though the insurance co.'s were kept intact..

yes the senate was stacked after the 1st 2 years.

Thanks for speaking for me, BK, but I'll take it from here. See, I'm capable of addressing the points people make. You should try it some time.

Thanks for sharing that list, Ned. Universal Healthcare? Wait, was the ACA passed in the first 2 years? Is the ACA what is meant by Universal Healthcare? If so, I'll give that as a solid policy advancement. I'm not sure what reform of financial regulation means, it could go in any direction. The changes in student loans programs were likely positive, though I doubt they hurt that industry in any way.

Yeah, other than that, it sounds like a fairly laundry list of neoliberal accomplishments, essentially shovelling huge piles of money into large industries, which the ruling elite than shovel mostly into their pockets.

You may think it's a stupid question, BK, but a) it just shows clearly that all the dems ever do is about 75 to 90% pro-corporate and b) you're a dick anyways, we're all used to that by now. 

>> I'm not sure what reform of financial regulation means <<

Dodd-Frank. It made the banks more accountable in their lending practices, but they remain "too big to fail".

>> Wait, was the ACA passed in the first 2 years? <<

Yes, and that's why they lost congress in 2010.

Just to be clear as to why I asked the question in the first place, it's to address this pipe dream that you and many other board members have of a) Joe winning, then b) flipping the Senate and then c) that the dems are actually going to take a more progressive tack in general rather than take advantage of the massively pro-corporate conditions. Think about it: if Joe wins, the cultural backlash from the far right and all that space between the centrist right and the far right, is probably going to be big. It will have repercussions on political levels, especially with so many judicial branch members enforcing Trump law, and definitely repercussions on other interesting fields. Do you honestly think Joe is capable of keeping that center together? That is a long bet. His only play to keep that faction happy is to keep on trucking down the same old corporate path. That will ultimately provide satisfaction to the overlords on both sides of the aisle, thereby achieving the task of appeasing the center, while really only just feeding the corporate machine.

But hey, it could work out differently, we'll see.

And I only called you a dick because you called my question stupid. It's childish, sure, but I just don't see why you so frequently need to go there to express yourself. Anyways...

I gave the exact and only answer you were looking for. Christ, it's exactly what you just said in your second to last sentence.

I don't answer your "points" because  there's no reason to. You are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong. The fucked up thing is that I generally agree on the causes of the problems. It's the solutions that we disagree on. I find your proposed solutions so god damn ridiculous that they don't warrant responses. It's just useless blather.

Call me whatever names you want. It doesn't change the fact that you are elitist, ageist, anti Semitic, and ableist. You're the one who constantly resorts to name calling.

Haha, ok. But you can't deny that the grand majority of that list that Ned published is just shoveling money into corporate pockets. 

You can call me ageist, ableist, socialist, anti-semitic, whatever you want. You have literally thrown every single slur of that nature at me in the last few months and yet nothing sticks. Really, I'm just a bee in your bonnet that won't let you sit back on your butt and feel contented with your Joe Biden vote. Fucking A, man, throw the guy a fundraiser for all I give a shit. But don't walk around trying to act all high and might about defending the dems, when all your doing is just continuing to move the corporate machine right along. 

But yeah, vote Biden. Feel good about yourself. Like I've told you before, tell yourself whatever you need to get through the night...

the Affordable Care Act was written by corporate healthcare lobbyists. 

america is wild. even in 2020, liberals will campaign, fundraise, and support neoliberal politicians who are bought and sold by any or all of the mega corporate donors, but especially those of healthcare interests, to go so far as to say people don't want m4a and unions don't want m4a, all during a pandemic. 

conditioned. careless. no empathy. this is good enough. trump was perfect for these people. 

the bare bones, bottom of the barrel, crumbs are good enough compared to trump they say. 

they were against our only real shot at what they say they suooort. too funny. 

No, I don't deny it. Why would I?

Those aren't slurs. You are all those things, at least through your Zone writings.

I've stated over and over that until Congress becomes solidly Progressive, nothing is going to change. It's clear that you don't understand that. In local, state and Congressional races I vote for people with those ideas and ideals. Without that,  o president can do much of anything lasting. Executive Orders don't mean shit in the long run. Congress makes the laws. They sure as hell aren't passing anything overly progressive.

Your infatuation with the mystical power of the President is kind of strange. It shows your lack of understanding of our system and the American psyche.

You're absolutely denial of the role of the president just shows how totally unwilling you are to actually look at this issue. You want to throw your vote at Biden and pretend it doesn't matter, because, hey, how much power does the President of the most powerful nation in the world really have? Do you realize how dumb that question is?

And BK, you are a really, truly poor judge of character or are just willing to throw around the nastiest bullshit available to avoid the fact that you're talking nonsense. I've been posting on the zone for 14 years and somehow you're the only one that ever noticed that I was an elitist, ableist, anti-semite, ageist, socialist son of a bitch. Uh, get your reality tunnel checked, brah. You're multiple channels off of reality. Maybe Biden will solve that for you, though.

>>> But yeah, vote Biden. Feel good about yourself. Like I've told you before,

       tell yourself whatever you need to get through the night... <<<

Let's all consult with Javs on who to vote for. He knows a wasted vote when he sees it.

neds dad has coffee w/ biden. 

^ wrong..... his former chief of staff, former US Senator and current co-chair of transition team.

Let's hear about Your Dad Heater...

Is He Ridin with Biden?

another bizarre post from rrg. 

When have I ever used that word, Bk? Your so white privi that you think it's ok to use racist slurs in quotes. Unfortunately, you guys just still don't understand what white privilege is so it offends you. 

Biden still hasn't won anything yet. If anybody is counting on the polls then once agin you may be disappointed. Pretty much it comes down to PA. Whoever wins PA will likely win the election. From what I see living right across the bridge I would say Biden is in trouble

Does you dad have a Bernie tattoo also?

Is it on his forehead like yours might be...

 You guys have fun in your sandbox shooting at each other saving the world, OK?

what does  neointellectual mean anyway...

you guys are so smart.  Your mirror loves you 

i still thinks it's funny you tripled down on your "all lives matter" comment. 

 "somehow you're the only one that ever noticed that I was an elitist, ableist, anti-semite, ageist, facist-pretending-to-be -a-socialist son of a bitch."  

Fixed that for you, baby che/boogaloo bro.  

Plus, we've all noticed.  Listen/read more.  Speak/type less.   

well litterally, all lives do matter dipshit

you disagree?

if that makes me a racist or a fool  - well peace be with you

L8r

"The mercantile class was banking from the Jewish communities ties throughout Europe,"  

Really? Tell us more, herr professor.  

"without the US the dictatorship wouldn't have had the firepower or support to get off the ground or stay alive."

So that was the right time for your pops to decide (sounds like choice, opportunity, lack of obstacles = privilege) to continue the "honorable' family tradition of the "diplomatic corp" and volunteer for your dear uncle augusto's fascist regime?  

And that was while you were being chauffeured to private school while your nanny dusted your family's treasured imperialist feathered hats and sabers?  

Tell us more about the horrors of living and fighting against fascism, baby che.  Please. We could never understand. lol.

You are privileged and are the product of a privileged life, but you are too obtuse to acknowledge it.  dense. 

So many assumptions to ease your simple mind, baby che.  

Meanwhile, we, here, will go to the polls, if we have not already, and vote out trump and your fascist friends.

So many people have fought and died for too long for the right to vote.

bzz. bzz. meow, baby che.  

We should stop worrying about voter suppression and people exercising their right to vote. In fact, those who are suppressed are actually helping to bring down the corrupt system. Fuck it, everyone's votes should be suppressed, and a new form of government, that is really for the people, can finally come to power.

 Because, you know, that's how it works.

Looks like real Chilleans will be going to the polls even sooner than us.

Churches burn during violent protests in Chile

Sun, October 18, 2020, 11:28 PM PDT

Tens of thousands of Chileans protested in the streets of Santiago over the weekend demanding government reform. It marked the one-year anniversary of mass protests that left over 30 dead and thousands more injured. What started as largely peaceful rallies on Sunday (October 18) soon devolved into violence as demonstrators threw rocks and Molotov cocktails at police, who answered with water cannons and tear gas. Even churches were set ablaze by vandals as rioting and looting gripped the city by nightfall. Earlier in the day people began gathering at demonstrations downtown and cities throughout Chile, which gained in size and fervor as the afternoon wore on. Many protesters waved signs and homemade rainbow-colored banners asking Chileans to vote "yes" on a referendum to scrap the country's dictatorship-era Constitution. That was a key demand of last year's protests, which raged on for nearly two months as people across the country called for reforms in healthcare, education and the pension system. And as the violence resurfaced late on Sunday evening, Chile's Interior Minister Victor Perez praised the peaceful rallies while blasting the late-night mayhem. He instead called on Chileans to settle their differences by voting in the upcoming referendum on October 25.

I like ceviche and Andes mints.  

I voted for Biden and Harris.  This machine fights fascists.  

Javs, will you be voting in the referendum or will you be violently protesting?

>>>>> we've all noticed.  Listen/read more.  Speak/type less.   
 

javs is the 1% in his country.  the struggle is real.

Ah, the zero dimensional checkers player strikes again. 
With more zero dimensional analysis. Fun times at Viva. 

why does timpane continually bring my name up when i'm not a part of the conversation? it's immature and stalky.

Oooooh, I see you all brought the pitchforks out, nice. And conkering kitteh cat is growling! Grrrrr!!!! 

BK, if you need help deciding who to vote for, I'll be glad to try to help you out. I understand thinking for yourself is difficult for you, but I'm a teacher so maybe I can walk you through the process once for free.

Oh, Juday, you are so simple-minded, it's great. You really ought to try to read sometime. Are we judging each other now by our father's actions? Or our father's fathers? How far back does that go? First off, you have no idea what my father did or didn't do, but explaining that to a creature like you is a waste of time, so I won't bother. But I will say that at a moment when there was absolutely nothing going on on the Zone, a call was made for art and I put something out there. Amateur at best, no doubt. Funnily enough, a coincidence I'm sure, at that point the Zone really started reviving a bit and some new and old faces started popping up again, which was cool. I've been posting on the zone for 16 years and have weathered all sorts of dummies like you. I'm content knowing that even the people here who like to talk shit with or at me (BK, for example) know who I am, to some extent. You clearly have no idea, so g'wan witcha ya' bad self, rude boy, do your 'ting.

Oh, also, I never had a chauffer. That would kick ass, but no, didn't happen. I actually went to public school for all 8.5 years I lived in the states during school age, and then went to a low rung state university, haha. Oh, I worked 30 hours a week while doing that, btw, cleaning toilets, slopping burgers, etc. You see, us foreigners aren't allowed to work off campus, so we gotta find our jobs on campus. Good times. Also, I wasn't born in 1973 when Pinochet took power, but that would require reading comprehension on your part, and lol, we've seen how you do with that.

Further, I've never claimed to be fighting fascism or anything for that matter. All I've ever said is that you and the rest of the neo-moderates on this board and elsewhere are suckers that have been duped into thinking you're doing something good, when really you're just doing the same brainless bullshit you've always done. Basically, the game is, a group of old rich dudes got together and decided that they should rule and to make it legit they would present themselves as candidates. To consolidate the deal, you create a cultural programming that tells you that you have to vote and if you don't you're bad, so now you are locked into voting for rich dude 1 or rich dude 2. But hey, like I said to BK, whatever gets you through the night.

First long post of at least 3 to come! :)