For WCZJ, Willow contacted me last week to remind us to hold a weekend at Heartbarn.... I didn't discuss dates at that time but would like to propose the 2nd weekend of August ....Perseid meteor shower weekend!
Heartbarn can accommodate 100 people for outdoor gatherings now... and weekends are now priced at $1000 per night.
Let the discussion begin....
Reminder... while this is an ideal camp area with lots of room, there are also indoor spaces with bunks and a queen bed for those who want to claim one...
JRAD is scheduled to play the Frost on Saturday, August 14th.
Heartbarn looks amazing, but the Oregon coast is a really long trip for some of us. Any chance of finding something similar that's more central? Maybe something in Marin, or Half Moon Bay, or Santa Cruz?
MarkD in da house! Thanks Mark, was hoping you'd see this thread because I knew you'd have the answer!
You got a bed at Heartbarn, #1 on the list.
And folks, Heartbarn in Oregon is a really good location even if you have to drive 8 hours or fly in to Eugene: I was just on the phone w/ the manager of Mountain Theatre on Mt. Tam -- he says they are not anywhere near to allowing reservations for private events due to the fact that it's a public facility, they need to revise their protocols for COVID liabilities, and they don't have word yet about when they can move forward w/ events -- so this summer is unlikely.
If someone knows of a private camping venue w/ an indoor stage w/ mixing board, audio equipment, mics, and kitchen and beds that rents for $2000 for 2 weekend nights, please point me in that direction.
The less we spend on the actual venue, the more we can contribute to a band.
Who can help with reaching out to Barry?
Given the JRAD Frost date, proposing the weekend prior -- August 7 -- I'm worried about wildfire season if we go later in August.
* I'm also calling Nelson Family Vineyards and Hog Farm.
And there is this place in Wlllits but it's off grid and you need to bring a generator for music but been to many all night music events here, but they can't go all night any more
There's lots of fun zoner bands who would be great to see live again, but most of them don't post on this zone. I second Shakey Z, Mylar, and anything Furious puts together!
Nino, thanks for the location info... Saratoga Sorings looks ideal, and the cabins would attract out-of-towners and Zoners who prefer a real bed....do you have a connection there or should I call the number on the website?
That place looks really interesting. Anybody have any idea what that might cost for a weekend?
And the big question; how many would be ready willing and able to pay 250 or 300 dollars each?
It says there is camping for over a hundred. Plus other accommodations. If we could sell 100 to 125 tickets, we could have DNB for one night and a Zoner jam the other night and other amenities maybe including food (beer?). I gotta think there might be 50 or so non Zoners that would pay that to see DNB in front of a hundred people. And I bet we could get quite a few easties out here too. Maybe combine east/ west for this yr? Maybe charge more for those in the "other accommodations" and less for the campers?
OK. Maybe I'm dreaming, but it sure sounds good to me. We would need to know their(the venue) cost first and go from there. Might be cheaper than that.
I guess a lot depends on what this pandemic does between now and then.
I might recommend two nights of DNB if you want to pull people from out of the state/coast. In years past, the event has been a wonderful all-day shoe. Why not let the zoner bands leading up to the main event both nights?
And the big question; how many would be ready willing and able to pay 250 or 300 dollars each?
At that rate, it would be cheaper to rent out a big section of Darling's Reunion the weekend of OCF just for zoners. Comes with nightlife, daily entertainment etc.
>>>how many would be ready willing and able to pay 250 or 300 dollars each?
I think if you get DNB for two nights, you'll get people to fill the spots especially if there are only 100. Shit, I might come from GA. Not committing but I'd think about it. Timing matters. Capacity matters. If you open it up to 200 then does the price cut in half? you might get another 100 people.
TXR = covid fest. This should be outdoors with space. Muir beach.
TXR = covid fest. This should be outdoors with space. Muir beach.
TXR has an outdoor stage area still, don't they? It's not as perfect as as Muir Beach would be but I'm thinking accessibility, and it's already a destination for easty and midwest zoners.
I spoke w/ the rental coordinator at Saratoga Retreat Center today. She will email me ballpark numbers by the end of the week. It sounds like our kind of place -- Burners regularly host weekend events there. They have 263 acres with separate little valleys, not to mention the hot spring pools and other amenities. My contact there was super cool, and she said that there are 2 weekends available now that last year's rental parties have not yet claimed: The 2nd weekend in July and September 9-12. Since today's announcement of full reopening for California, she is crazy busy dealing w/ last year's reschedules this week... so those dates may get booked soon, and other dates may open up.
TXR is a for-profit business with the restrictions that go along with it. We wouldn't be able to camp, make paella, cook our own food, etc.
Applegate is a good idea, and I actually have a connection to the owners. But pretty sure they haven't been booking anything lately. I'll check it out. But that's also a for-profit business.... and if Zoners are already whining about driving to Heartfarm (last year's location), why would they go to Applegate?
To make it worthwhile for Zoners from afar, this should be a 2-night outdoor event with a mix of camping space and beds, facilities for band set-up and a kitchen we can cook in.... so far, this thread sounds like there's more interest in just going to 2 DNB shows (wouldn't we all love THAT!) as opposed to a weekend of Zoner jams and time together.
I'm not yet confident that we can raise funds for 2 DNB shows in addition to facility rental. Last year, due to low participation, I had to subsidize a portion of the rental for Heartbarn, which isn't as nice as Saratoga.
In Occidental last weekend, I made a connection to players from Electric Tumbleweed, so now I have a connection to DNB via Barry. ... will start that inquiry tomorrow.
Let's keep this convo going, it's been a good one.
Once everyone is aligned on the purpose and goal of the event, scale-down can happen.... and maybe we'll still end up in Oregon because it's likely the most affordable option.
Also, I will need someone to step up to help coordinate this year: Yesterday I got my official list of projects at my new job.... 15 projects (rolling deadlines, not all busy at the same time), including 8 open space preserves to be the communications lead for... the good thing is that part of my homework will be to hike all of them and get to know the audiences and issues about each --- dreamy!
Who wants to go hiking on the peninsula? Though it's been my habit, I'm not supposed to hike solo due to mountain lion activity -- there was one at the neighbors the other day...
It would be safer to hike with a dog than solo, but unlike East Bay open space (which even allow dogs off leash) , most all of Peninsula open space trails ban all dogs - on leash. No areas allow off leash. Yeah, that's my 'beef' considering cattle are allowed to graze and horses are allowed on most trails so the 'dogs disturb the wildlife' argument is bunk. And well, would it be so bad if mountain lions avoided the trails if they detect dog scent? Communicate that, please. ;)
Thanks Nancy -- that's important feedback... will research their thinking behind those contrasting policies.
I'm actually off to a trail for sunset right now w/ Micco the house german shepherd -- I walked him for the first time earlier today and we got along great....and this trail is good for dog walking -- all on private land.
I could go either way - shows w/ camping or Zoner jam with or without camping, but chances are I would be more willing to travel further for a couple of actual shows.
Sounds like there is widespread interest and lots of the old freeks and fuckers will be vaccinated by then and ready to party and jam music.
Let's get some dates and place locked in. Setting a firm deadline for selecting the dates and venue will ensure things push ahead. How about we get this figured out and a venue booked by May 1? Happy to help out in getting this rolling.
Mark D, I want to get the ballpark cost estimate from Saratoga before spending time on a visit... that might happen today, will post here when it does. Of course if you want to check it out regardless, by all means, make your plans for Sunday.
Calling Mark D! I did not hear back from Saratoga Retreat Center today. Probably early next week. So, I won't join you this Sunday, looking forward to hearing what you think if you do end up going there this weekend.
In band news, I heard from my connection at Electric Tumbleweed that if the location is in northern California, we can get them + Barry for $2K for 1 night.
I wrote to DNB, nothing yet... also got a positive reaction from Nelson Family vineyards vía FB messenger... the y want me to call them to discuss ... for tomorrow, hopefully.
Talked to the coordinators at Nelson Family Vineyards (camping only, no cabins)....
.....and Saratoga Retreat Center (camping + cabins + yurt w/ beds for the band or as a green room + lodge w/ indoor stage or outdoor patio for performances + use of commercial kitchen).... both sound promising... and the coordinators are cool w/ the event format -- and Saratoga now has a new unclaimed weekend of July 15-18.
I'll have ballpark numbers within 48 hours, sounds like.
Hey johnny D -- I cannot hike during business hours right now -- so that's for the weekend -- let's talk...I could maybe meet for a hike this Sunday on my way home from Half Moon Bay.... but not sure where you live.... following weekend would be better, most likely. I'm being conservative with booking out my weekends because my new job is pretty intense, lots of reading, already behind... and that's priority.
Now back to Zoner Jam -- Below is an image from Saratoga, assuming 100 people total, with 75 getting beds and 25 individual tents.... My eyes were like saucers when I saw the totals... if only, LOL! This place sounds like a dream come true.
Who is good at cutting down an estimate like this to represent true interest and what we really need?
Cutting it to 1 night is possible, but it's such a cool place w/ many amenities, it's worthwhile to stay for 2, agree?
Maybe we could reverse the numbers to 25 beds and 75 tents? Maybe we only need kitchen access for night 2 (for paella prep)?
These are just fantasy body counts, had to start somewhere..... and that ice fee needs to be 25 X greater, LOL.
It's fun to dream about whether a nicer location like this might be what attracts more Zoners to fly in and make this a vacation.
That total looks high at first, but broken down that works out to just over $200 for someone in a bed for two nights, and about $125 for someone in a tent (assuming my math is correct). That doesn't seem too outrageous for two nights lodging and amenities. One question: are the bed and tent rates based on single occupancy? What about couples, etc?
You're doing some amazing work here, LLOLLO, and I love your enthusiasm. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you with things like organization and clerical stuff. My email is in my profile.
MarkD -- What exactly do you mean by "Would they do 50 and 50?"
Shout out to LLTD: You keep saying that "music is being discussed." Thanks for your help, but please reveal who you are talking with so that we don't duplicate efforts.
Mike -- Thanks very much for your offer to help -- with the demands of my job, I'd really appreciate some help. I'll email you later on.
I sent your questions to Saratoga along with some of my own. I'm thinking that reducing the kitchen access to one 24-hour period (6pm Friday to 6pm Saturday) would be a good way to cut costs, as well as rent the lodge for Saturday night only. Friday night, musicians could play at their outdoor space, which has electrical hookup too. I also asked her what if we only get 25 or 50 Zoners (and partners), which is still ambitious.
The tricky part of this is coming up with deposit money and with band money when we don't know which Zoners will commit yet.
Finally, we need to ask if there are requirements for event permits or health permits.
I bet we could get that place for 15,000 (or maybe even less). If we could get a hundred people(yeah that does sound like a lot) then 150.00 per for 2 nights would get that part done. Say we could get 50(still a lot, but maybe achievable), say 15-20 tents and 15-20 beds(accounting for couples). If we could work this for 250-300 each, we could sell tix to DNB at 100.00 per for folks not staying there and 50.00 for folks staying there. We would have no trouble selling 100 outside tix for 100.00 each. Trust me. We might even be able to include the concert for the 50 Zoners staying the weekend.
What about that Navarro General store where the DNB played in 2010-11? or Camp Navarro...
Excellent suggestion! I'm not at all sure I'd be able to go to something planned for multiple nights, overnight stuff isn't currently an option for me even under the best circumstances, but I love that spot and would definitely hit it!
If the idea is to throw away 15k go for it. Unless someone has a bigtime rug biz you're pissing in the wind. Shit --- fly east, I have plenty of room and for 15k youd get 4 square(dont forget about the midnight snack), plenty of rugs, kegs, full bar and bathrooms.
Yeah, if west coast zoners expect DNB, we need to find financial backers soon: Barry just answered my booking inquiry.....We would be responsible for paying the band $10K per night + lodging + sound + lights.
Who wants to volunteer to be CFO for this effort?
I'm still not confident that we could attract 100 Zoners @ $100 each + whatever the lodging + sound + lights cost.
I'm thinking it would be a good idea to send an email to all Zoners, since many don't check in here, to promote ... but first want to think through the logistical steps and how we could set up electronic payment portal, etc.
If anyone has experience with that part, please let me know... I need way more support this year due to new job.
Either we find a free property and book DNB, or have a Zoner jam w/ Zoner musicians, or maybe a less expensive local band.... and pay for a cool site like Saratoga.
What are your thoughts, Zoners?
I love that ECZJ might develop too, hope that happens!
I don't know how you were thinking of getting email addresses of zoners, but I'm sorry, we can't share them from Viva, that's part of protecting people's privacy.
An ECZJ this year would probably be so much fun.
Also, Huck has been talking with people on Facebook about an ECZJ and are now planning it for 2022 in North Carolina where she and Mermaid live. I believe it will include celebrating her and Mermaid's wedding in March of this year. She has talked about it in the Facebook group Phriends of the Zone, which pretty much anyone on Facebook can join.
While having DNB at a Zoner Jam would be kick ass, there will hopefully be other opportunities for a separate zoner get together/DNB party assuming harvest tour happens this year. Let someone else worry about the $10,000 + lodging + sound etc.
Yikes. What ever happened to setting up the band on a flatbed truck in the park, and running extension cords from nearby houses?
I'm guessing a PA and lights would be an additional $2-3k, and then there's the band's lodging and food expenses. We're easily looking at $15k it sounds like, which would mean we'd need 300 people at $50 each to cover the expenses for one night of DNB, but at that point, we'd be hosting a concert rather than a private party, and that would complicate things greatly with permits, et cetera. DNB would seem to be ruled out unless I'm missing something here.
Thank you, LLOLLO, for taking the early lead on this, and for your enthusiasm about a WCZJ.
What started out as a discussion about a zoner camping thing, with zoners providing the music, has quickly shifted to something entirely else. I'd be lying if I said I didn't get very excited about the prospect of incorporating DNB into WCZJ, but what we've learned in the last few days is that's a very expensive proposition, even if it's held at a free site like Blaise has suggested; the Chicken Ranch seems ideal in some ways, but it's day use only with no camping.
What I'm seeing is that maybe this needs to become two different discussions about two very different events. I'm still interesting in helping if someone wants to take the lead on the WCZJ camping/zoner music thing, but I'm not in a place right now where I can take the lead.
What I can determine from the survey responses so far is the majority of folks prefer Northern California and the Bay Area over Oregon and Santa Cruz, and the majority also preferred July or August over earlier or later dates. So, with that in mind, what does the group think we should do next?
I think the other question that has been thrown out is "What is the WCZJ?" Is it a camping trip for 30 (my best guess) which is what I presume is what shape it's taken in previous years or does it want to be an afternoon of celebration which is what it originally was at JGA?
I'm probably oversimplifying it but I don't see the Blaise option as too expensive. I'm confident 100 people would show up for DNB and with this site losing individuals each year, it's something to consider to be more inclusive. Further, if you do it in the afternoon, then you don't need lights. It seems close enough, you wouldn't have to put them up for the night (who stays in a hotel just around the corner from your house).
What does excite me is the thought of people coming out of the woodwork for this and I think they would. I think you could pull some old zoners out for an afternoon and it could be quite delightful - Canyon, Budboy, Emily, and so many more would surely come. Would they come if it's just a camping trip?. Kate and I have suggested we might travel from the east coast. Surely Turtle would travel from the south.
Forever the realist, I'm being a bit more optimistic on this one.
As far as putting up 10k which seems like a bit of a hurdle, I'm likely to think you could find 10 people to throw in one k. Depending on the date, I might be one of them. And then it's up to those ten people to find 9 others who want to go. Charge $120 to cover the band and some food costs for the band and any unforeseen costs. I'm confident I can find 9 people to come rock at DNB with a big bunch of zoners for an afternoon.
Hi everybody!!
I'd fly out for a West Coast Zoner jam.
Not sure about the whole DNB thingy. I'd rather just see all of you and catch up on life.
I'll be watching this thread. If something comes together you might be watching me.
Keep it simple like we started it.. Music, Food & Friends.. I sure do miss those days... love ya'll
>>Keep it simple like we started it.. Music, Food & Friends.. I sure do miss those days... love ya'll <<
yell yes !!! (fyi I am looking at that pic of PIg under your armpit on my wall right now)
- Love and miss you
I can see you outside of the Connecticut Yankee having just scored that Sperry Dylan poster racing to see the dedicated maniacs _ and having fell- good times
In 100% agreement let's keep it simple. Hopefully some zoner bands will show some interest in playing? Not sure I've seen any zoner bands express interest in performing yet...
>Of course. Aside from specific amps or certain drum kit needs, I have a full backline.
Jonas, I'll volunteer to help organize a ECZJ, it sounds like you have a good spot. Send me a note, email in profile. I suggest a new thread just for 2021 ECZJ.
Would be Quite Nice to have another East Coast Zoner Jam this Summer.
JonasPond seems to have a proper space for that sort of affair, but alternatives could be County or State Parks set up with camp spots and electricity.
I can look around my area (Central Jerseyland) and see what's available for such a Jamboreeeee. Probably more like private Campgrounds, off the main road, with RV hookups, like a campground. There are a few like that in my area, near "Six Flags Great Adventure".
Wouldn't be a 17,000 dollar Wedding Ranch, more like "Hey we will pay 2-3 grand to have 4-5 RV's, 30 tents and Live Music all night for a couple days..."
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 02:31 am
I will play (meaning attend)
I will play (meaning attend)
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 10:38 am
Thanks for starting this
Thanks for starting this thread, Ken!
For WCZJ, Willow contacted me last week to remind us to hold a weekend at Heartbarn.... I didn't discuss dates at that time but would like to propose the 2nd weekend of August ....Perseid meteor shower weekend!
Heartbarn can accommodate 100 people for outdoor gatherings now... and weekends are now priced at $1000 per night.
Let the discussion begin....
Reminder... while this is an ideal camp area with lots of room, there are also indoor spaces with bunks and a queen bed for those who want to claim one...
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 10:51 am
> Heartbarn
> Heartbarn
Was that where you folks held the WCZJ last year?
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 11:00 am
Might as well do the EC in
Might as well do the EC in Florida- we don't care about no steenking 'Rona!!!
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 11:31 am
Yes -- Heartbarn is the same
Yes -- Heartbarn is the same spot on the Oregon coast...she renamed it from Artbarn... you can view the Instagram feed here: https://www.instagram.com/heartbarn/?hl=en
...or visit hipcamp.com for a slideshow of images> https://www.hipcamp.com/oregon/beaver-creek-artfarm-barn/beavercreek-art...
Given the increased pricing, we would need early commitments and more Zoners to make this fly.
I also read that Barry Sless' Electric Tumbleweed is looking for private gigs... this could be an ideal time to attract a band in advance...
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 12:35 pm
instead of sless, just get
instead of sless, just get DNB for the zoner jam and call it a weekend.
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 12:42 pm
^^^ That works for me!
^^^ That works for me! Tomorrow I'm heading to Occidental and my hosts know David -- will ask how to begin that discussion.
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 01:12 pm
> would like to propose the
> would like to propose the 2nd weekend of August
JRAD is scheduled to play the Frost on Saturday, August 14th.
Heartbarn looks amazing, but the Oregon coast is a really long trip for some of us. Any chance of finding something similar that's more central? Maybe something in Marin, or Half Moon Bay, or Santa Cruz?
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 01:49 pm
Good point... I'll ask my
Good point... I'll ask my friends in Occidental tomorrow so we can compare options.
Maybe that Railroad Camp in Felton?
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 03:21 pm
A far greater percentage of
A far greater percentage of the population is near the bay area
My preference will be less than 150 miles away from San Francisco
Is the barn available?
one day THE MIGHTY DNB
next day Zoner jam
dreams can come true
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 03:55 pm
^^^ What is "The Barn"? Is
^^^ What is "The Barn"? Is that a Bay Area venue?
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 04:03 pm
^Nelson Family Vineyards is
^Nelson Family Vineyards is the Barn, I suspect.
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 04:28 pm
Mt Tam Amphitheater? Too
Mt Tam Amphitheater? Too big? seems just right for these covidy times.
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 04:35 pm
That sounds awesome, Zang!
That sounds awesome, Zang! I like the Oregon Coast idea too. Nice to get further north now and then.
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 05:23 pm
First off, David has nothing
First off, David has nothing to do with setting up DNB gigs. You would have to talk to Barry for both bands.
And if it is the HartBarn, I dibs one of the beds.
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on Friday, April 2, 2021 – 05:57 pm
MarkD in da house! Thanks
MarkD in da house! Thanks Mark, was hoping you'd see this thread because I knew you'd have the answer!
You got a bed at Heartbarn, #1 on the list.
And folks, Heartbarn in Oregon is a really good location even if you have to drive 8 hours or fly in to Eugene: I was just on the phone w/ the manager of Mountain Theatre on Mt. Tam -- he says they are not anywhere near to allowing reservations for private events due to the fact that it's a public facility, they need to revise their protocols for COVID liabilities, and they don't have word yet about when they can move forward w/ events -- so this summer is unlikely.
If someone knows of a private camping venue w/ an indoor stage w/ mixing board, audio equipment, mics, and kitchen and beds that rents for $2000 for 2 weekend nights, please point me in that direction.
The less we spend on the actual venue, the more we can contribute to a band.
Who can help with reaching out to Barry?
Given the JRAD Frost date, proposing the weekend prior -- August 7 -- I'm worried about wildfire season if we go later in August.
* I'm also calling Nelson Family Vineyards and Hog Farm.
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on Sunday, April 4, 2021 – 12:57 pm
Petaluma
Petaluma
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on Sunday, April 4, 2021 – 03:01 pm
If you are looking for closer
If you are looking for closer to SF the ravers do events in Belden Town on the feather river raves there all the time
https://www.sunsetcampout.com/home
And there is this place in Wlllits but it's off grid and you need to bring a generator for music but been to many all night music events here, but they can't go all night any more
http://campnsons.com/
And there is this place in Lake county that hosts raves all summer
https://saratogasprings.com/retreat_land.html
And been to plenty of raves here Sopiago Springs near Pioneer.
I can get contact information for all of these if anyone is interested.
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on Sunday, April 4, 2021 – 04:01 pm
Nino. Good post
Nino. Good post
We need to start coming up musician/band interest
Shakey Zimmerman a.k.a. Pat Nevins might be willing to participate
mylar and friends?
curious furious?
the San Diego crew?
some pay for play bands????
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on Sunday, April 4, 2021 – 04:03 pm
We miss canyon. Good peeps
We miss canyon. Good peeps
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on Sunday, April 4, 2021 – 04:08 pm
^Simply put. Canyon is the
^Simply put. Canyon is the BEST.
There's lots of fun zoner bands who would be great to see live again, but most of them don't post on this zone. I second Shakey Z, Mylar, and anything Furious puts together!
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 01:00 am
Nino, thanks for the location
Nino, thanks for the location info... Saratoga Sorings looks ideal, and the cabins would attract out-of-towners and Zoners who prefer a real bed....do you have a connection there or should I call the number on the website?
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 01:20 am
That place looks to be 45
That place looks to be 45 mins from my house. Let me know if you need my eyes.
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 01:50 am
That place looks really
That place looks really interesting. Anybody have any idea what that might cost for a weekend?
And the big question; how many would be ready willing and able to pay 250 or 300 dollars each?
It says there is camping for over a hundred. Plus other accommodations. If we could sell 100 to 125 tickets, we could have DNB for one night and a Zoner jam the other night and other amenities maybe including food (beer?). I gotta think there might be 50 or so non Zoners that would pay that to see DNB in front of a hundred people. And I bet we could get quite a few easties out here too. Maybe combine east/ west for this yr? Maybe charge more for those in the "other accommodations" and less for the campers?
OK. Maybe I'm dreaming, but it sure sounds good to me. We would need to know their(the venue) cost first and go from there. Might be cheaper than that.
I guess a lot depends on what this pandemic does between now and then.
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 02:57 am
Mark
Mark
What was that place near your house where David played like three years ago?
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 03:07 am
Mark
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 03:25 am
Private residence. I could
Private residence. I could talk to him about it.
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 08:20 am
I might recommend two nights
I might recommend two nights of DNB if you want to pull people from out of the state/coast. In years past, the event has been a wonderful all-day shoe. Why not let the zoner bands leading up to the main event both nights?
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 09:13 am
^^^^ Great discussion and
^^^^ Great discussion and happy to see new ideas around this, let's keep it going!
Mark D, I could meet you for a tour of Saratoga some weekend... Will call them later today unless Nino has a specific referral.
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 02:24 pm
And the big question; how
And the big question; how many would be ready willing and able to pay 250 or 300 dollars each?
At that rate, it would be cheaper to rent out a big section of Darling's Reunion the weekend of OCF just for zoners. Comes with nightlife, daily entertainment etc.
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on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 04:01 pm
^^^ I know Darling's spot...
^^^ I know Darling's spot... no beds available, unlike HeartBarn and Saratoga.
Saratoga likely more expensive than the rustic Heartbarn.
Agree... commitments in larger numbers are needed to make this event fly higher than last year!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 04:11 pm
Why not rent out TXR?
Why not rent out TXR? Is it too spendy?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 05:21 pm
We could even allow Phil to
We could even allow Phil to play then
And I could wear my ready kilowatt costume
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Monday, April 5, 2021 – 05:27 pm
lol you could wear your
lol you could wear your outfit wherever you please, lltd TXR or no.
It looks like OCF is canceled this year so I withdraw my Darling's suggestion, that would only be worth it if the festival was still happening.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz Zang
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 12:52 pm
>>>how many would be ready
>>>how many would be ready willing and able to pay 250 or 300 dollars each?
I think if you get DNB for two nights, you'll get people to fill the spots especially if there are only 100. Shit, I might come from GA. Not committing but I'd think about it. Timing matters. Capacity matters. If you open it up to 200 then does the price cut in half? you might get another 100 people.
TXR = covid fest. This should be outdoors with space. Muir beach.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 01:00 pm
Something else to consider
Something else to consider would be whether DNB might be doing some harvest time shows later in the year. Maybe we could piggyback on that?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 02:00 pm
https://whitegum.com/~acsa
https://whitegum.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/BORNADRE.HTM
YES !!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 02:05 pm
I'd pay 100 for two DNB shows
I'd pay 100 for two DNB shows. Pref. closer than Muir Beach.
What about the place in Applegate? Never been, but I know some Zoners have.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 02:10 pm
Pacifica?
Pacifica?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 02:46 pm
Applegate DNB rocked
Applegate DNB rocked
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 02:47 pm
TXR = covid fest. This
TXR = covid fest. This should be outdoors with space. Muir beach.
TXR has an outdoor stage area still, don't they? It's not as perfect as as Muir Beach would be but I'm thinking accessibility, and it's already a destination for easty and midwest zoners.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 02:48 pm
I'd kick in 100 for Zoner jam
I'd kick in 100 for Zoner jam expenses
And
I would bleed $100 FOR TWO DNB SHOWS
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 03:13 pm
Peak Should take a peek???
Peak Should take a peek???
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 03:14 pm
I am curious and don't want a
I am curious and don't want a political discussion but I wonder how many zoners won't have been fully vaccinated by August?
I personally know of many that have
ymmv
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 03:44 pm
By August anyone who wants to
By August anyone who wants to be sorted out and vaxxed should be.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 06:19 pm
Updates and comments:
Updates and comments:
I spoke w/ the rental coordinator at Saratoga Retreat Center today. She will email me ballpark numbers by the end of the week. It sounds like our kind of place -- Burners regularly host weekend events there. They have 263 acres with separate little valleys, not to mention the hot spring pools and other amenities. My contact there was super cool, and she said that there are 2 weekends available now that last year's rental parties have not yet claimed: The 2nd weekend in July and September 9-12. Since today's announcement of full reopening for California, she is crazy busy dealing w/ last year's reschedules this week... so those dates may get booked soon, and other dates may open up.
TXR is a for-profit business with the restrictions that go along with it. We wouldn't be able to camp, make paella, cook our own food, etc.
Applegate is a good idea, and I actually have a connection to the owners. But pretty sure they haven't been booking anything lately. I'll check it out. But that's also a for-profit business.... and if Zoners are already whining about driving to Heartfarm (last year's location), why would they go to Applegate?
To make it worthwhile for Zoners from afar, this should be a 2-night outdoor event with a mix of camping space and beds, facilities for band set-up and a kitchen we can cook in.... so far, this thread sounds like there's more interest in just going to 2 DNB shows (wouldn't we all love THAT!) as opposed to a weekend of Zoner jams and time together.
I'm not yet confident that we can raise funds for 2 DNB shows in addition to facility rental. Last year, due to low participation, I had to subsidize a portion of the rental for Heartbarn, which isn't as nice as Saratoga.
In Occidental last weekend, I made a connection to players from Electric Tumbleweed, so now I have a connection to DNB via Barry. ... will start that inquiry tomorrow.
Let's keep this convo going, it's been a good one.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack Turtle
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 06:54 pm
i admire your work llolo, but
i admire your work llolo, but i think you are already over $20k +... :)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 08:50 pm
Thanks Turtle!
Thanks Turtle!
Correction: ZONERS are already over $20K ! ;)
Once everyone is aligned on the purpose and goal of the event, scale-down can happen.... and maybe we'll still end up in Oregon because it's likely the most affordable option.
Also, I will need someone to step up to help coordinate this year: Yesterday I got my official list of projects at my new job.... 15 projects (rolling deadlines, not all busy at the same time), including 8 open space preserves to be the communications lead for... the good thing is that part of my homework will be to hike all of them and get to know the audiences and issues about each --- dreamy!
Who wants to go hiking on the peninsula? Though it's been my habit, I'm not supposed to hike solo due to mountain lion activity -- there was one at the neighbors the other day...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 09:32 pm
It would be safer to hike
It would be safer to hike with a dog than solo, but unlike East Bay open space (which even allow dogs off leash) , most all of Peninsula open space trails ban all dogs - on leash. No areas allow off leash. Yeah, that's my 'beef' considering cattle are allowed to graze and horses are allowed on most trails so the 'dogs disturb the wildlife' argument is bunk. And well, would it be so bad if mountain lions avoided the trails if they detect dog scent? Communicate that, please. ;)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 10:22 pm
Thanks Nancy -- that's
Thanks Nancy -- that's important feedback... will research their thinking behind those contrasting policies.
I'm actually off to a trail for sunset right now w/ Micco the house german shepherd -- I walked him for the first time earlier today and we got along great....and this trail is good for dog walking -- all on private land.
g'night all
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba Noodler
on Tuesday, April 6, 2021 – 11:02 pm
LLOLLO taking care of Biz
LLOLLO taking care of Biz once again, kudos!
*flashback to last year*
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Wednesday, April 7, 2021 – 02:46 am
It seems like current Zoner
It seems like current Zoner jam focus is more of a camping party
from what I am reading
The original zoner jams were one day music focused events
with some food and libations. (Jerry garcia
Amphitheater) They were awesome
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Wednesday, April 7, 2021 – 08:26 am
I could go either way - shows
I could go either way - shows w/ camping or Zoner jam with or without camping, but chances are I would be more willing to travel further for a couple of actual shows.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: KeseyB neo-luddite
on Wednesday, April 7, 2021 – 01:45 pm
We two are interested, too.
We two are interested, too.
If $100 covers show and right to park/camp, per day, that's great.
Understandable if the rate increases, however.
And of course, the date may make a difference.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Thursday, April 8, 2021 – 11:36 pm
Some musical options are
Some musical options are being explored
be patient
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Friday, April 9, 2021 – 01:59 am
Sounds like there is
Sounds like there is widespread interest and lots of the old freeks and fuckers will be vaccinated by then and ready to party and jam music.
Let's get some dates and place locked in. Setting a firm deadline for selecting the dates and venue will ensure things push ahead. How about we get this figured out and a venue booked by May 1? Happy to help out in getting this rolling.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD ntfdaway
on Friday, April 9, 2021 – 03:24 am
I think I am free this Sunday
I think I am free this Sunday Lollo. if you wanna come check that place out.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Friday, April 9, 2021 – 10:51 am
Thanks Ken, good idea!
Thanks Ken, good idea!
Mark D, I want to get the ballpark cost estimate from Saratoga before spending time on a visit... that might happen today, will post here when it does. Of course if you want to check it out regardless, by all means, make your plans for Sunday.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Friday, April 9, 2021 – 08:38 pm
Calling Mark D! I did not
Calling Mark D! I did not hear back from Saratoga Retreat Center today. Probably early next week. So, I won't join you this Sunday, looking forward to hearing what you think if you do end up going there this weekend.
In band news, I heard from my connection at Electric Tumbleweed that if the location is in northern California, we can get them + Barry for $2K for 1 night.
So, that's a starting point. Writing DNB next.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Monday, April 12, 2021 – 01:28 am
DNB - 10K (still?) times 2
DNB - 10K (still?) times 2 shows = 20K, divided by 200 people = $100 each, plus say $50 for 2 nights camping.
$150 each.- we could swing that.
Dunno where - hopefully N. of the GG.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Monday, April 12, 2021 – 01:32 am
Thanks Surf, helpful to
Thanks Surf, helpful to sketch out numbers.
I wrote to DNB, nothing yet... also got a positive reaction from Nelson Family vineyards vía FB messenger... the y want me to call them to discuss ... for tomorrow, hopefully.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Monday, April 12, 2021 – 02:35 am
more research regarding
more research regarding musical options occurring ....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba Noodler
on Monday, April 12, 2021 – 03:21 am
I've got several bottles of
I've got several bottles of Les Claypools wine, wonder if Duo de Twang, or his winery, does things like this...
Otherwise, should hire the family band and see if Phil will come out for support.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Monday, April 12, 2021 – 07:27 pm
Today's updates:
Today's updates:
Talked to the coordinators at Nelson Family Vineyards (camping only, no cabins)....
.....and Saratoga Retreat Center (camping + cabins + yurt w/ beds for the band or as a green room + lodge w/ indoor stage or outdoor patio for performances + use of commercial kitchen).... both sound promising... and the coordinators are cool w/ the event format -- and Saratoga now has a new unclaimed weekend of July 15-18.
I'll have ballpark numbers within 48 hours, sounds like.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D skudebro
on Monday, April 12, 2021 – 11:41 pm
I wanna go!!!
I wanna go!!!
Also would love to go hiking with you, though I imagine that you're doing so during "business hours" (I gotta get paid M-F).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 – 12:29 am
Hey johnny D -- Definitely
Hey johnny D -- I cannot hike during business hours right now -- so that's for the weekend -- let's talk...I could maybe meet for a hike this Sunday on my way home from Half Moon Bay.... but not sure where you live.... following weekend would be better, most likely. I'm being conservative with booking out my weekends because my new job is pretty intense, lots of reading, already behind... and that's priority.
Now back to Zoner Jam -- Below is an image from Saratoga, assuming 100 people total, with 75 getting beds and 25 individual tents.... My eyes were like saucers when I saw the totals... if only, LOL! This place sounds like a dream come true.
Who is good at cutting down an estimate like this to represent true interest and what we really need?
Cutting it to 1 night is possible, but it's such a cool place w/ many amenities, it's worthwhile to stay for 2, agree?
Maybe we could reverse the numbers to 25 beds and 75 tents? Maybe we only need kitchen access for night 2 (for paella prep)?
These are just fantasy body counts, had to start somewhere..... and that ice fee needs to be 25 X greater, LOL.
It's fun to dream about whether a nicer location like this might be what attracts more Zoners to fly in and make this a vacation.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 – 12:58 am
The total looks high at first
That total looks high at first, but broken down that works out to just over $200 for someone in a bed for two nights, and about $125 for someone in a tent (assuming my math is correct). That doesn't seem too outrageous for two nights lodging and amenities. One question: are the bed and tent rates based on single occupancy? What about couples, etc?
You're doing some amazing work here, LLOLLO, and I love your enthusiasm. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you with things like organization and clerical stuff. My email is in my profile.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD ntfdaway
on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 – 03:28 am
Add DNB one night. add a hun
Add DNB one night, add a hun to each. 300 and 225. Providing your initial math was correct. Too lazy to check it.
Would they do 50 and 50?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 – 02:45 pm
MarkD -- What exactly do you
MarkD -- What exactly do you mean by "Would they do 50 and 50?"
Shout out to LLTD: You keep saying that "music is being discussed." Thanks for your help, but please reveal who you are talking with so that we don't duplicate efforts.
Mike -- Thanks very much for your offer to help -- with the demands of my job, I'd really appreciate some help. I'll email you later on.
I sent your questions to Saratoga along with some of my own. I'm thinking that reducing the kitchen access to one 24-hour period (6pm Friday to 6pm Saturday) would be a good way to cut costs, as well as rent the lodge for Saturday night only. Friday night, musicians could play at their outdoor space, which has electrical hookup too. I also asked her what if we only get 25 or 50 Zoners (and partners), which is still ambitious.
The tricky part of this is coming up with deposit money and with band money when we don't know which Zoners will commit yet.
Finally, we need to ask if there are requirements for event permits or health permits.
Much more involved than the Oregon site!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD ntfdaway
on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 – 06:05 pm
50 beds and 50 tents
50 beds and 50 tents
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jazfish Jazfish
on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 – 10:18 pm
If I come to this will I be
If I come to this will I be able to smoke a cigar outside?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 – 10:37 pm
Jazfish, if you come to this,
Jazfish, if you come to this, I'll hunt down some Havana's for us to puff.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD ntfdaway
on Wednesday, April 14, 2021 – 11:34 pm
I bet we could get that place
I bet we could get that place for 15,000 (or maybe even less). If we could get a hundred people(yeah that does sound like a lot) then 150.00 per for 2 nights would get that part done. Say we could get 50(still a lot, but maybe achievable), say 15-20 tents and 15-20 beds(accounting for couples). If we could work this for 250-300 each, we could sell tix to DNB at 100.00 per for folks not staying there and 50.00 for folks staying there. We would have no trouble selling 100 outside tix for 100.00 each. Trust me. We might even be able to include the concert for the 50 Zoners staying the weekend.
Comments?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Wednesday, April 14, 2021 – 11:49 pm
^^^ I support that
^^^ I support that restructure, MarkD! Also waiting to hear back from Saratoga on several follow-up questions.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD ntfdaway
on Thursday, April 15, 2021 – 04:38 pm
Amazing how folks can't
Amazing how folks can't follow simple instructions in the survey thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Thursday, April 15, 2021 – 04:39 pm
Zoners gonna zone.
Zoners gonna zone.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Thursday, April 15, 2021 – 04:56 pm
WC + EC Zoners Suck
WC + EC Zoners Suck
I'm calling for the Gateway Arch St Louis
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace WALSTIB
on Thursday, April 15, 2021 – 05:42 pm
What about that Navarro
What about that Navarro General store where the DNB played in 2010-11? or Camp Navarro...
https://www.navarrogeneralstore.com/
https://www.campnavarro.com/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Thursday, April 15, 2021 – 05:46 pm
Now that I'm thinking of it
Now that I'm thinking of it
what ever happened to uncle john's camp? Do they still have shows there?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack Turtle
on Thursday, April 15, 2021 – 06:25 pm
secret shoe. no hoodie mafia.
secret shoe. no hoodie mafia.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Thursday, April 15, 2021 – 07:12 pm
What about that Navarro
What about that Navarro General store where the DNB played in 2010-11? or Camp Navarro...
Excellent suggestion! I'm not at all sure I'd be able to go to something planned for multiple nights, overnight stuff isn't currently an option for me even under the best circumstances, but I love that spot and would definitely hit it!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace WALSTIB
on Thursday, April 15, 2021 – 08:32 pm
As long as it not Horse Shoes
As long as it not Horse Shoes Season
The Locals were a tad overzealous with that...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Thursday, April 15, 2021 – 09:21 pm
Anywhere but Navarro.
Anywhere but Navarro.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 01:19 am
^^^^ why, Surf?
^^^^ why, Surf?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 01:51 am
Navarro was a pretty
Navarro was a pretty "primitive" scene, for lack of a better term.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 08:30 am
There were issues there - not
There were issues there - not all the fault of the venue, but not going back there again.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond Jonas
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 09:38 am
If the idea is to throw away
If the idea is to throw away 15k go for it. Unless someone has a bigtime rug biz you're pissing in the wind. Shit --- fly east, I have plenty of room and for 15k youd get 4 square(dont forget about the midnight snack), plenty of rugs, kegs, full bar and bathrooms.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell China-Rider
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 10:58 am
Jonas, do you want to host an
Jonas, do you want to host an ECZJ?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond Jonas
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 11:01 am
I've thrown it out before.
I've thrown it out before. Yes, plenty of room at my place.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GoneGoodbye RocknRye
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 11:19 am
Jonas, where is your place?
Jonas, where is your place?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond Jonas
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 11:28 am
Litchfield county CT --
Litchfield county CT -- 30 min from NY border.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GoneGoodbye RocknRye
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 11:59 am
About a 4 hour drive from
About a 4 hour drive from Philly, very doable for an overnighter or 2.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell China-Rider
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 12:49 pm
About 5 hour drive for me,
About 5 hour drive for me, also very doable. Would a band be able to play there?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 05:44 pm
Yeah, if west coast zoners
Yeah, if west coast zoners expect DNB, we need to find financial backers soon: Barry just answered my booking inquiry.....We would be responsible for paying the band $10K per night + lodging + sound + lights.
Who wants to volunteer to be CFO for this effort?
I'm still not confident that we could attract 100 Zoners @ $100 each + whatever the lodging + sound + lights cost.
I'm thinking it would be a good idea to send an email to all Zoners, since many don't check in here, to promote ... but first want to think through the logistical steps and how we could set up electronic payment portal, etc.
If anyone has experience with that part, please let me know... I need way more support this year due to new job.
Either we find a free property and book DNB, or have a Zoner jam w/ Zoner musicians, or maybe a less expensive local band.... and pay for a cool site like Saratoga.
What are your thoughts, Zoners?
I love that ECZJ might develop too, hope that happens!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 05:54 pm
I don't know how you were
I don't know how you were thinking of getting email addresses of zoners, but I'm sorry, we can't share them from Viva, that's part of protecting people's privacy.
An ECZJ this year would probably be so much fun.
Also, Huck has been talking with people on Facebook about an ECZJ and are now planning it for 2022 in North Carolina where she and Mermaid live. I believe it will include celebrating her and Mermaid's wedding in March of this year. She has talked about it in the Facebook group Phriends of the Zone, which pretty much anyone on Facebook can join.
Lots of work going on.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 06:10 pm
While having DNB at a Zoner
While having DNB at a Zoner Jam would be kick ass, there will hopefully be other opportunities for a separate zoner get together/DNB party assuming harvest tour happens this year. Let someone else worry about the $10,000 + lodging + sound etc.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 06:26 pm
Point taken about those
Point taken about those emails, Judit.
Thanks for contributing to the discussion!
Personally, I'm looking for a fun outdoor camp experience and jam by Zoners who play, more so than DNB.
I prefer finding a cool location and dedicating $$ to smaller local bands.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Friday, April 16, 2021 – 06:39 pm
Yikes. What ever happened to
Yikes. What ever happened to setting up the band on a flatbed truck in the park, and running extension cords from nearby houses?
I'm guessing a PA and lights would be an additional $2-3k, and then there's the band's lodging and food expenses. We're easily looking at $15k it sounds like, which would mean we'd need 300 people at $50 each to cover the expenses for one night of DNB, but at that point, we'd be hosting a concert rather than a private party, and that would complicate things greatly with permits, et cetera. DNB would seem to be ruled out unless I'm missing something here.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Saturday, April 17, 2021 – 01:03 pm
One other option - if
One other possible option off the top of my head - if Moonalice is gigging this summer, Roger could subsidize the effort until tix are sold.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Saturday, April 17, 2021 – 01:51 pm
Funny you should mention
Funny you should mention Roger and Moonalice, Surfdead. I said pretty much the same thing to LLOLLO yesterday.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace WALSTIB
on Saturday, April 17, 2021 – 04:12 pm
just invite the DNB band
just invite the DNB band members and suggest they bring their instruments...
BTW I think in the spirit of the WC/ECZJ Zoner bands should fill the music bill.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D skudebro
on Saturday, April 17, 2021 – 04:17 pm
How much do the Hell's Angels
How much do the Hell's Angels charge for their services nowadays?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Saturday, April 17, 2021 – 04:23 pm
^^^^
^^^^
With inflation, it would be $3,608.68 in beer.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Saturday, April 17, 2021 – 05:20 pm
Pool cues extra.
Pool cues extra.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Saturday, April 17, 2021 – 05:43 pm
Maybe Sam Cutler could help
Maybe Sam Cutler could help set that up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Saturday, April 17, 2021 – 05:47 pm
>>>>Maybe Sam Cutler could
>>>>Maybe Sam Cutler could help set that up.
Just read Cutler's book. Crazy how the Stones literally left the dude stranded in California holding the bag and the Grateful Dead took him in.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MeditateontheQ LLOLLO
on Sunday, April 18, 2021 – 01:37 pm
Good morning all,
Good morning all,
I'm glad to see the conversation evolving... but until a firm vision floats to the top, I'm going to step away from trying to lead that discussion.
I've got other priorities to focus on, and it seems like there are many good leaders and implementers who have been involved on these threads so far.
I did a bit of research on viable locations and with the band you seem to want the most, just to show you the numbers.
I participated in the survey, and posted in this thread (about 5 messages up) about what my vision is.
One way that I may be helpful: occasional location scouting -- just because I have been enjoying weekend road trips to explore my new home.
I'll be happy to pitch in again on specific tasks once a date and location are set.
Big thanks to Mike for setting up the survey and helping with the discussion, and to MarkD for connecting me to DNB.
Oregon Zoners: If something does get planned, you better make the trip as I want to see you all again! :)
I'll check in to the Zone on weekends only instead of daily, just to take a break.
My email is in my profile if you need any event planning advice along the way.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind mikeedwardsetc
on Sunday, April 18, 2021 – 08:18 pm
Thank you, LLOLLO, for taking
Thank you, LLOLLO, for taking the early lead on this, and for your enthusiasm about a WCZJ.
What started out as a discussion about a zoner camping thing, with zoners providing the music, has quickly shifted to something entirely else. I'd be lying if I said I didn't get very excited about the prospect of incorporating DNB into WCZJ, but what we've learned in the last few days is that's a very expensive proposition, even if it's held at a free site like Blaise has suggested; the Chicken Ranch seems ideal in some ways, but it's day use only with no camping.
What I'm seeing is that maybe this needs to become two different discussions about two very different events. I'm still interesting in helping if someone wants to take the lead on the WCZJ camping/zoner music thing, but I'm not in a place right now where I can take the lead.
What I can determine from the survey responses so far is the majority of folks prefer Northern California and the Bay Area over Oregon and Santa Cruz, and the majority also preferred July or August over earlier or later dates. So, with that in mind, what does the group think we should do next?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz Zang
on Monday, April 19, 2021 – 08:11 am
Mike et al.
Mike et al.
I think the other question that has been thrown out is "What is the WCZJ?" Is it a camping trip for 30 (my best guess) which is what I presume is what shape it's taken in previous years or does it want to be an afternoon of celebration which is what it originally was at JGA?
I'm probably oversimplifying it but I don't see the Blaise option as too expensive. I'm confident 100 people would show up for DNB and with this site losing individuals each year, it's something to consider to be more inclusive. Further, if you do it in the afternoon, then you don't need lights. It seems close enough, you wouldn't have to put them up for the night (who stays in a hotel just around the corner from your house).
What does excite me is the thought of people coming out of the woodwork for this and I think they would. I think you could pull some old zoners out for an afternoon and it could be quite delightful - Canyon, Budboy, Emily, and so many more would surely come. Would they come if it's just a camping trip?. Kate and I have suggested we might travel from the east coast. Surely Turtle would travel from the south.
Forever the realist, I'm being a bit more optimistic on this one.
As far as putting up 10k which seems like a bit of a hurdle, I'm likely to think you could find 10 people to throw in one k. Depending on the date, I might be one of them. And then it's up to those ten people to find 9 others who want to go. Charge $120 to cover the band and some food costs for the band and any unforeseen costs. I'm confident I can find 9 people to come rock at DNB with a big bunch of zoners for an afternoon.
That's my last pitch.....
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on Monday, April 19, 2021 – 08:13 am
one more....Shit maybe Phil
one more....Shit maybe Phil would work with us considering the years of dedication.
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on Monday, April 19, 2021 – 08:25 am
LLOLLO
LLOLLO
If I were you>
Castle Rock(hike south)
China Grade
Ice Cream Grade
Panther beach
Buzzards lagoon
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on Monday, April 19, 2021 – 10:58 am
> a camping trip for 30
> a camping trip for 30
That's about what the survey showed: 24-36, depending on certain variables.
> That's my last pitch
It sounds like you have a clear vision of how a DNB thing can go down, Zang. It'll be interesting to see how the group responds.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond Jonas
on Monday, April 19, 2021 – 11:46 am
>Would a band be able to play
>Would a band be able to play there?
Of course. Aside from specific amps or certain drum kit needs, I have a full backline.
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on Monday, April 19, 2021 – 01:03 pm
If we end up with a DNB show
If we end up with a DNB show after all, there will be a stage so we could have some Zoners jam pre-show.
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on Thursday, April 22, 2021 – 01:36 pm
Well this died. I say keep
Well this died. I say keep it to the small camping group.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: hedspace spacehed
on Thursday, April 22, 2021 – 03:10 pm
Hi everybody!!
Hi everybody!!
I'd fly out for a West Coast Zoner jam.
Not sure about the whole DNB thingy. I'd rather just see all of you and catch up on life.
I'll be watching this thread. If something comes together you might be watching me.
Keep it simple like we started it.. Music, Food & Friends.. I sure do miss those days... love ya'll
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Thursday, April 22, 2021 – 03:24 pm
HEDSPACE!!!!!
HEDSPACE!!!!!
>>Keep it simple like we started it.. Music, Food & Friends.. I sure do miss those days... love ya'll <<
yell yes !!! (fyi I am looking at that pic of PIg under your armpit on my wall right now)
- Love and miss you
I can see you outside of the Connecticut Yankee having just scored that Sperry Dylan poster racing to see the dedicated maniacs _ and having fell- good times
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits Dise
on Thursday, April 22, 2021 – 04:05 pm
I think TXR is a good option
In 100% agreement let's keep it simple. Hopefully some zoner bands will show some interest in playing? Not sure I've seen any zoner bands express interest in performing yet...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell China-Rider
on Friday, April 23, 2021 – 07:26 am
>Would a band be able to play
>Would a band be able to play there?
>Of course. Aside from specific amps or certain drum kit needs, I have a full backline.
Jonas, I'll volunteer to help organize a ECZJ, it sounds like you have a good spot. Send me a note, email in profile. I suggest a new thread just for 2021 ECZJ.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Friday, April 23, 2021 – 09:26 am
Would be Quite Nice to have
Would be Quite Nice to have another East Coast Zoner Jam this Summer.
JonasPond seems to have a proper space for that sort of affair, but alternatives could be County or State Parks set up with camp spots and electricity.
I can look around my area (Central Jerseyland) and see what's available for such a Jamboreeeee. Probably more like private Campgrounds, off the main road, with RV hookups, like a campground. There are a few like that in my area, near "Six Flags Great Adventure".
Wouldn't be a 17,000 dollar Wedding Ranch, more like "Hey we will pay 2-3 grand to have 4-5 RV's, 30 tents and Live Music all night for a couple days..."
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on Friday, April 23, 2021 – 09:31 am
Also Weed is now legal in
Also Weed is now legal in Jerseyland, so people could puff without Fear of cops.
Main concern would be "does this Campground have functional toilettes / showers, and can we set up BBQ grilles for Cooking ? "
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on Monday, April 26, 2021 – 05:21 pm
https://campthegreatdivide
https://campthegreatdivide.com/ This isn't down by Exit 7A but it's nice and they might be up for Zoner Jam .. I used to play with The Jugband down that way Stu... I think this is what used to be paradise lake Campground in the pine barons http://www.millerfarmsllc.com/venue-rentals