The utter exasperation trying to "debate" with MAGA

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It's interesting to see Sean Hannity get a taste of what it's like ... 

 

She needs something to complete the package I can't quite put my finger on it

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You hate to see it.

This may be the first and only time a YouTube video has been embedded into a post here. Bravo!

[Kevin McCarthy] is the gimp in the basement at this point.

 

~Stephanie Miller~

Actually, BK, FOM brought the ability of embedding YouTube videos to Viva some months ago. I think Mikee learned to do it from FOM and it's been occasional since then.

Stick around, you never know what else you might miss...

When the non-strategy of "just oppose everything" comes home to roost...

Somehow the far right extremists will still blame this government shut down on the Dems. 
 

and Kevin is selling his soul at bargain prices to each of the far right extremists in Congress, and they're not buying. He's not Nazi enough to get their votes, even after they own  him. 

Ideology plus extremism. The 20 hold outs all got their seats in gerrymandered districts by being the most extreme candidate. Lesson learned. They aren't going to take the chance of losing to an even more extreme candidate in two years particularly with something like this that has zero impact at home. 

This is why 17 Republican Senators voted to pass the spending bill a few weeks ago before this clown show took over. All they had to do was take one look at what was coming and come to the decision that they can't be trusted to make decisions that involve money. 

And this is the easy no consequence vote. Buckle up for two years of bomb throwing, their first order of business was to remove the metal detectors from the chamber. I mean at this point would anyone be surprised at a mass shooting in the House. 

GQP.

Interesting quandary. McCarthy is a spineless turd and terrible option for Speaker. Who else could muster 218 votes or very close to it? Are there any adults in the room/chamber?

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My next band:

Never Kevin & Friends

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I'm sure this on-going shit show will help the GOP attract those ever-deceasing Independent/Swing voters that they desperately need. Owning the libs! LOL.

DeSantis is also too stupid to take note in his crusade of anit-woke crt non-freedom book censorship model that will surely sell well nationwide too. 

Like Groundhog Day…..Another Jan 6 where the Capitol is being held hostage by a bunch of lunatics

I'm sure this on-going shit show will help the GOP attract those ever-deceasing Independent/Swing voters that they desperately need. Owning the libs! LOL.<<<

While I view this as a "GOP issue" at the moment, the shelf life of compartmentalizing said culpability exclusively to the GOP is limited.

How is the onus ultimately non all members-elect to solve the problem?

What if this drags out for weeks, months, or even a year; at what point do Dems have a duty to play a larger role?

As an independent, I believe it's important to point out that the Constitution was written before parties.

 

* How is the onus ultimately not on all members-elect to solve the problem?

I think said onus is or will eventually be on all members-elect to get through and out of this mess. Given that GOP now has the majority, the current onus is on it/them to elect a Speaker. Given the serious state of partisanship, DEMs are  staying in their lane with no lifeline or bailout for the majority (which is clearly very fractured) but may have to get more creative as well.

I did previously state, "Who else could muster 218 votes or very close to it? Are there any adults in the room/chamber?"

What are your ideas?

Maybe if a large bloc of moderate R's put forward a candidate they could get enough D's to vote for that person. However, this isn't the fault of D's, nor is it theirs to fix. This hasn't happened in 150 years, and it's because the R's are a fucking mess. I'm sure they'll have it sorted out by next week, and then we can move forward with some amazing non-governance for the next 2 years because of all the deals McCarthy had to make.

I think we might all be better off is this congress spends the next two years just voting on the Speaker. No the Dems have zero obligation to save the Republicans from the shit show of their own making. The Republicans in the Senate saw this train wreck coming and funded the government for a year so there is nothing of substance for the house to do for the next year, and we all know how they will fill that time. With endless hearings on Fauci, Hunter Bidens dick, and probably impeaching Biden. 

Also no Republican who got Dem votes would ever make it through primary in two years. They broke it they need to fix it. 

Yep. Great points.

...plus I just read that "payroll cannot be processed on Jan 13th" unless this is resolved so that'll get their attention if nothing else motivates these assholes to do their jobs. I wouldn't be surprised to see them soon pushing a Congressional pay raise too.

I think said onus is or will eventually be on all members-elect to get through and out of this mess. Given that GOP now has the majority, the current onus is on it/them to elect a Speaker. Given the serious state of partisanship, DEMs are  staying in their lane with no lifeline or bailout for the majority (which is clearly very fractured) but may have to get more creative as well.

I did previously state, "Who else could muster 218 votes or very close to it? Are there any adults in the room/chamber?"

What are your ideas?<<<

I agree with your general assessment.  

I'm not sure who in particular could muster 218 votes, but it will be the duty of all members-elect to find that person.

Maybe if a large bloc of moderate R's put forward a candidate they could get enough D's to vote for that person. However, this isn't the fault of D's, nor is it theirs to fix. This hasn't happened in 150 years, and it's because the R's are a fucking mess. I'm sure they'll have it sorted out by next week<<<

What if it's not sorted out by next week, next month, or beyond?

At what point do we view members-elect as members-elect and not D's or R's?

I think we might all be better off is this congress spends the next two years just voting on the Speaker. No the Dems have zero obligation to save the Republicans from the shit show of their own making. The Republicans in the Senate saw this train wreck coming and funded the government for a year so there is nothing of substance for the house to do for the next year, and we all know how they will fill that time. With endless hearings on Fauci, Hunter Bidens dick, and probably impeaching Biden<<<

You're not wrong about the "political construct" being of their own making (GOP), but will an extended non-existence of a SOTH and House as a body not be the nation's problem if the economy completely tanks as a result of a default on our nation's debt if this somehow gets dragged out for two years?

>>At what point do we view members-elect as members-elect and not D's or R's?

We don't because we're locked in a cycle. Only the House can change the rules, but until they vote in a Speaker we don't have a House.

>>At what point do we view members-elect as members-elect and not D's or R's?

We don't because we're locked in a cycle. Only the House can change the rules, but until they vote in a Speaker we don't have a House.<<<

I'm not sure what you mean by "change the rules";  do not all members-elect have the same status regardless of their party affiliation?

I believe they've created a rule that the Speaker must receive at least 218 votes. It's not in the Constitution, but it's a rule. Otherwise, Jeffries would already be Speaker because he has a majority of votes.

Personally, I like Kaisich's idea of moderates forming a coalition government, electing a normal Speaker, and freezing out the crazies.

I see what you're saying.  Yeah, there are a lot of procedural rules that need to be revamped.

I also like the idea of a coalition government to freeze out the crazies;  there'd be an enormous "opportunity cost" swing in the positive direction in so far as providing a potential off-ramp from MAGA for so-called "moderates"; while at the same time helping to mitigate the crazies from dragging the party as a whole further into the abyss.    While I don't believe the Dems have an obligation to go down this road, I do think it'd be good for the nation in the end if some semblance of a genuine agreement can be reached. 

A moderate coalition would ensure things like Hunter Biden's foreskin won't be investigated, and Biden won't be impeached because of Hunter's foreskin.

 

> I believe they've created a rule that the Speaker must receive at least 218 votes<

 

A member must receive a majority of total votes cast to become speaker. 

Absent members, and members voting present are not counted as votes. If McCarthy can get to 213 for, and 9 to vote present, he's gets it.

 

I believe that there are 5 who have said that they will never vote for McCarthy.  Barring a change in their stance, or democratic support, McCarthy is done.

 

 

He only needs 3 more to peel away.

Unfortunately, there are likely some really really bad deals being made

I don't see how those deals will matter. McCarthy is a MAGA bitch, so the differences aren't over policy. They just hate him as a person, and there's no reconciling that. I know that one proposal McCarthy was making was for it to be easier to remove him as Speaker. It's amazing that he's pandering to Boebert and Goetz, a child diddler and the wife of a child diddler.

I hope McCarthy is done, at least as potential Speaker for now anyway. I seem to recall reading that at one point in the past a Speaker was voted in by a plurality due to multiple candidates getting similar numbers of votes over many sessions but that must have required a temp (?) rule change. I agree that the country would definitely be much better off if this could get resolved sooner than later. Think about trying to mitigate another terrorist attack or natural disasters that cannot be addressed, etc.

How does Kaisich's 'coalition govt' even begin or at what point does it form and take hold? Without major changes, we have historically had and are still in a 2-party system that would be putting forth and electing moderate candidates if that was what the majority of voters actually wanted, right? Kaisich tried staying in the game as a moderate but hhad limited appeal, eventually lost out, and may be disgruntled. I am not picking sides but the reality is that many districts are overly partisan and send people to Congress (House in particular) to merely jam the other side and dig in to do nothing while maybe talking a good game to work across the aisle to get things done blah blah blah.

Indeed - McCarthy's death grip on the notion of becoming Speaker is very dangerous and he would likely cut any deal with anyone to get there, leading to even more shit show chaos.

no deals

this is only about kevin's ego

Goetz is a loser twit but he has a valid point here and filed an inquiry thereof:

"Matt Goetz Questions McCarthy's Status as a 'Squatter' in Speaker's Office"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/matt-gaetz-questions-mccarthys-s...

Looks like McCarthy is getting closer to getting the job. If he has any sense, his first order of business will be to censure the Freedom caucus and Jan 6th conspirators

lol, he was getting closer all day yesterday, and even after the 10th vote he said he was almost there. Closer is a relative term.

Wow. Likely bumpy ride ahead...."on both sides."

"'Joe's No Fool': Desperate President Biden Plans To DUMP Kamala Harris From 2024 Democratic Ticket"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-s-no-fool-desperate-presiden...

I'm surprised Santos hasn't released a statement that he's Speaker. THat dude is anything and everything he wants to be!

^I am not necessarily buying it either but it's not an impossibility at the same time. Biden has been a jerk in shufflling her out of the way while dumping some big, hot-button issues onto her plate with no real resources or help - but now blaming her for his own foul approval numbers? Yea, sounds about right coming from that old school deflecting swamp dweller. 

Regardless of whether anyone is bumping anyone over a potential run in 2024, I suspect public appearances by Biden & Harris in the same location will be curtailed if not completely abandoned for security reasons after a GOP SOTH is elected.

>>>>"'Joe's No Fool': Desperate President Biden Plans To DUMP Kamala Harris From 2024 Democratic Ticket"

This is a classic example of access journalism. Someone wants to float this story because they have an agenda. MSNBC does that person a favor by running the story they know isn't true saying things like "insiders say", but now they are owed a favor which they will call in in the future. Maggie Haberman at the NYT is the master at this with Trump. 

Need more popcorn..

 

>8 min ago

McCarthy team preparing to win speakership tonight and taking steps to organize House

From CNN's Manu Raju, Melanie Zanona and Annie Grayer

Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s team believes they have the votes to win the speakership tonight and are already taking steps to organize the House soon after his expected victory, according to multiple GOP sources.

It’s still unclear which members will flip their votes to “present” or in favor of McCarthy.

McCarthy allies have told members to prepare for a very late night to approve a rules package after they are sworn into office, the sources say. 

Clown Mark Meadows is apparently involved so you know it's really rotten. Shadow Governments Suck.

"House members blocking McCarthy speaker bid meet at offices of ex-Trump chief Mark Meadows"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-members-blocking-mc-carthy-speaker-bid-...

I enjoy process so I'm watching the vote and ensuing activity, without any analysis. So many power playing smug bastards. Gaetz, who yesterday nominated the previous president for Speaker, sits there. I'm surprised the clerk who calls the roll has any voice left at this point.

Friday night, home from the coast, fun trip, turn on the TV...    

Never thought CSPAN would show Horror Movies!  CNN is comedy and FOX is a soap opera,  but wait, there's more...

They adjourn, no wait, the don't adjourn....   I need a drink, first i'll post

 

I sat there and watched the entire 14th round. What's going on isn't democracy, it's political grandstanding by a bunch of attention whores.

Sitting next to each other were Boebert and Goetz. He diddles minors, as does her husband. What a mess.

 So many power playing smug bastards<<<

a bunch of attention whores<<<

Yes, at the very least ... although still wonder if they're being extorted by even more insidious powers?

Boebert looked like she had seen a ghost (all through the applause) on her first "Present" vote on the second to last round.

it's obvious Boo-bert is coached up

who's doing the coaching?

where are they getting their money?

what's their agenda?

MAGA Fascists in the House,

Support coming from Oligarchs, both domestic and foreign who want to demolish democracy. Exhibit A: Elon Musk. Saudis and Russians.