Kurt Cobain would have been 50 today

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with you starting this Kurt Cobain thread, McDoobs.

Pretty underwhelming effort here, frankly. Kurt deserves better.

A huge inspiration to Courtney Barnett. 

Any contribution at all would be better than that limp opening post.

Here's a classic. Enjoy. 

https://youtu.be/_fdYjlAviT8

Pretty lame thread for such a cutting edge artist.  Cobain deserves more from the zone. 

McDoobie, right on (at 8:52)! And at 9:10, too.

St. Mark, you don't always sound like JR, why now (at 8:47)?

JR, pretty lame comment (9:08). Contribute or fuck off.

Kurt Cobain was the voice of our generation, Judit. This thread simply doesn't live up to the scale or importance of Cobain's legend. 

We all open ourselves to criticism when we start a thread. I stand by my opinion of the opening post. Absolutely lame.

The thread opens up a space for the celebration and adulation that's deserved. Build on it. When you say, "I'm not sure I'm comfortable with you starting this Kurt Cobain thread, McDoobs.", you're talking about McDoobie. Give Cobain what he deserves, it's not about McDoobie.

I'm good, McDoobs.

Step your game up if you truly want to honor an icon.

From a Gibby Haynes interview: 

Were you one of the last people to see Kurt Cobain in rehab?

Yes I was. Yeah, it was not exactly cool, but rehab is like an extended party. It was the like the morning after the big long party and everyone there was cool and everything, hot chicks and stuff, and the first couple of days you get given a lot of valium and stuff, benzos and shit, so you are all mellow and everything is groovy. I I had a girlfriend who would drop by and give me blow jobs and stuff and I would tell everyone in the group and they be all pissed off at me!

But Kurt came into that place after I had been there for about a week and I remember he was in detox and came out of his room for the first time and came down to the outdoor area and sat down at the table we were sitting at.

We were talking, and it was a Saturday and everybody except for him and another couple of people were gonna go to an outside AA type meeting so we would get into these little vans and get transported there.

He didn’t want to go to this meeting as he was all blurred up and I was talking to him about a friend of mine who was in the same position we both were who had climbed over the wall. I went off to this AA meeting and when we came back he had decided to leave rehab and climbed over the wall and broke out! You know, he didn’t have to break out; he could have just walked down the hallway and walked out the doors! We were laughing!

You guys should check out the Kurt & Courtney doc on Netflix if you haven't seen it. 

Pretty disturbing stuff.

Thinking about buying Montage of Heck deluxe LP for my wife. She's a fan. 

I had a really difficult time watching Montage of Heck, but I would be interested in revisiting the music.

I had an import disc back in the 90's with a bunch of early Nirvana stuff, demos, Kurt solo radio performances, etc.

Some of it was clearly just unfinished toss off tracks, but there were some gems too. I believe some of that music showed up in MoH.

A very old friend of mine was the general manager of Sub Pop records in the 1990's. We were talking a couple of months ago and he described the shift in his economics for the better by saying, "Grunge happened". He was able to buy a house, and then went on to lose a lot of money by trusting the wrong people. Not an unusual story, but it's his.

I can only imagine what it must have been like working at that label as grunge hit its fever pitch.

Lotta folks did pretty well for themselves from that whole thing.

gibby haynes was ^^  then duff mackagen on a flight to washington state, they sat across from eachother as it goes had a super positive convo and saw eachother at baggage claim wished eachother the best, so it goes.....

I think the MTV acoustic Nirvana set was what really opened my eyes to their talent. Still love to listen to that stuff every now and again.

My best friend Tom Abrruzzese's (RIP brother) cousin played drums for Pearl Jam- Dave Abbruzzese. I think he got screwed out of being inducted with the band into the RRHOF!

The first band I was in (10th grade) The Hardy Mums was pretty much a Nirvana cover band with one original.

The crowd is a bunch of disapproving parents and 3 kids from school

Nice photo, man.

You guys don't look too menacing, but I bet you had some killer snacks!

Damn, jr got his ass handed to him on this thread

>>>>>You guys don't look too menacing

Yeah, not really.  A bunch of Mormon kids.  This photo was taken about a month before I left the church over a disagreement about marijuana, and an incident at a church dance we played.  Total rebels.  

lol

Saying Mark was sounding like JR is a double-down bitch-slap to both Mark and JR. Behave, kids!

Nice work, Judit! 

Very interesting remarks in this thread.

I will just say that I am a fan of Kurt Cobain and was lucky to get to see him play with Nirvana.

Would Nirvana be doing a reunion tour yet if Kurt was still with us?

Would there be a Foo Fighters if Kurt was still with us?

Would Kurt have ended up fat and on The Celebrity Apprentice?

>>>Saying Mark was sounding like JR is a double-down bitch-slap to both Mark and JR. Behave, kids

Judit came in here swinging last night. First she lays the pimp hand on me & JR, then she drops the I know the GM over at Sub Pop in the 90's uber-innie cred.

What else can be said? I won't be wearing flannel this week, that's for sure.

Would he be curating his own arts and media festival? 

Jeez, I would sure hope so.

<<First she lays the pimp hand on me & JR, then she drops the I know the GM over at Sub Pop in the 90's uber-innie cred.

i heard through the grapevine it was done to sway favor with the 700 people who signed up but ended up just lurking. 

I think he was running out of gas creatively and he knew it.

If he had cleaned up physically & mentally and carried on would he have continued to write interesting music, or would he have faded quickly like every other group from his short era except Pearl Jam, who were a much better live band than Nirvana and continue to ride that side of their career?

I was never a fan but I've appreciated his talent, it's just always been hard for me to see how he would have maintained his "voice" over time. I never saw him live so maybe he was a more compelling performer than he comes across on video and recordings, but IMO he would have had to continue to write top quality songs to stay on top, and maybe he would have or maybe not, but it's my dim recollection that he voiced concern over that issue himself.

Either way, can we please move on from the 90's?

>>>>>>I think he was running out of gas creatively and he knew it.

Agreed.

Much like Hendrix.

>>>>Either way, can we please move on from the 90's?

Sure.  When's Dead & Co tour? : O

That's interesting. I really don't feel like we're the ones keeping them away.

The truly concerning part is that even with the rare Judit-administered beat down, this thread still couldn't pull in any numbers.

Maybe that's the trouble?

When i heard polly  back then i did a Line of Blow - and felt like crap later  true story

>>>Much like Hendrix<<<

Could be, but Hendrix was still a player while Cobain was a songwriter.

Players can always play and continue to be relevant as a live artist, even if they can't write good songs anymore (Jerry Garcia anyone?).

Cobain would have had to continue penning strong songs, which in my ignorant opinion is a much harder thing to keep doing over time.

And my comment about the '90s was just a shallow troll of Mark.

I wasn't so much a fan of Nirvana during their time.

I think that was more of a Blues music period for me, with a little spattering of Beck, Cracker, Robyn Hitchcock, Cake, and other popish music that would be on the radio station WXRT in Chicago.

Condolences to all who feel his loss.

>>>>>And my comment about the '90s was just a shallow troll of Mark.

Oh I knew.  Mine was a deep troll at all of 'us'.

I still love us.

Your comment did not go unnoticed, Lance.

>>>>>Could be, but Hendrix was still a player while Cobain was a songwriter.

Meh, Cobain has a pretty unique guitar voice.  Not taking away from Hendrix at all.  I think left handed guitar players brains are wired different when singing and playing come together.  Some of that Cobain stuff is kind of weird, as is some Hendrix stuff.

Lots of topics for him the last twenty plus years. 

Wish I could have heard his take on all the popular artists and trends. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2FnRnKHS5ds

Timmy,

Once again, you have inspired me to pull out an old CD for the ride home: Nirvana - Nevermind (1991).  <I think that's the only Nirvana recording that I have in the office.

 Glad to help

a ryan adam's and curt cobain duo of Wharf Rat would have me crying on the floor in a puddle of my tears. 

Would he duo with Jay-z or Kanye? 

I bet Curt would've still sucked at the guitar at the age of 50.

Pat Smear didn't work with Nirvana in the studio, McDoobs.

That's probably why nobody mentioned him.

Can someone post a pic of Francis Bean? She's kinda hot 

Yeah I got your point, but you're wrong.

They didn't write the songs on In Utero with Pat Smear in mind. He was added as a touring guitarist after the album came out. 

It took me a bit to warm up to Nirvana. Once I did, I appreciated Cobain's unique ability to put a rough edge on a beautiful melody.  And his voice grew on me.   He wasn't a flannel-wearing poser thats for sure. He was genuine and it showed. I suspect he was a sickly, gentle soul suffering in a cruel universe.  H and music were his only escape. Then the music left him. Its like that yo. Like so many other artists he didnt get enough time to see the power of his own music to rebound and heal himself. He seemed to struggle with popularity as well.

I like the way he wore baggy, loose-fitting clothing. And the converse one-stars were pimpin.   I cant say voice of a generation tag is appropriate but I'd definitely put him in the extremely influential one-of-a-kind category.  The truly artistic are often plagued by heady demons.  It was a sad thing to see him go like that. Celebrate his music!

You have a hard time admitting when you're wrong about something, don't you McDoobs?

Would he have been as outspoken as a Billie Joe Armstrong? 

Would he tweet? 

Would he begin to dress like St Mark or Wilco? 

I'm good, McDoobs. Not sure why you need to resort to throwing foul language and getting all lashy outy in a music thread.

You made a point about Nirvana that was bullshit, and you got called on it by a Nirvana fan. That's how this works.

Anyway. Kurt always overdubbed solos over his rhythm playing, even going back to Bleach. 

Nirvana smoked weed? I thought most of those arty types like pharmies.

Post your story, McDoobs.

Why would I be holding you back?

OK. We'll just continue the thread without you.

Thanks for stopping by, McDoobs. 

st. last word

Fly, what current music would he like and dislike today?  

Hopefully McDoobs comes back tomorrow and posts his story.

This should tide everybody over until then.

https://youtu.be/PbgKEjNBHqM

He would have liked Blue Eyed Soul.

Do you guys think Kurt Cobain is up in heaven right now, wailing on a golden Fender Jaguar?

Okay everyone I am shutting this thread down. The facts are that too much emotional damage and hurt has already taken place. 

Maybe we can all come back tomorrow and make a fresh start. 

What complete circle jerk losers...

your shit is so played.

how is that for lyrics?

>>>>That's interesting. I really don't feel like we're the ones keeping them away.

Clueless

   Growing up skating in the PNW, Bleach was already on my radar, but it was very underground.  It didn't rate higher to me than any of the other bands I was lucky enough to see at all ages shows around OR. (Mud Honey, Sonic Youth...)   But when I heard Smells Like Teen Spirit on the radio, man that hit me.  It was the perfect anthem for a NW high school freshman.  I know what it's like to be different in a small rainy NW logging town.  I love that flannel became hip.  That made my dad the coolest mother fucker for awhile.... Ha Ha

I was lucky to see Nirvana at the Salem Armory on the In Utero tour.  The show was more polished than I expected, but still awesome.  It was only a few months later I saw the Dead for the first time and my musical direction would take an interesting twist....

Who knows what could have been.  I wish Kurt had grabbed his daughter and disappeared.....

Ro, you're awesome and I hope to run in to you again soon

If you guys will post about the topic (Kurt Cobain, music, in this case) and not about each other, it'd be an interesting thread and fun. There's no competition, no one here is better than anybody else. If you love Cobain, show it, as McDoobie attempted. I'd like to learn, listen to new things, hear stories. This shit is just shit. From the second post on... I agree with Ro, and with AK Dread, clueless.

I have tried listening to Nirvana many times, and don't get the pleasure many of you do. I remember some MTV acoustic years ago that might have been good for me, but other than that I don't get it. I think I'm looking for a melody or something. If you can post a link to something I might like, I'd appreciate it.

St. Mark, you say at 9:21 "We all open ourselves to criticism when we start a thread." If you have a different opinion about something, talk about the opinion, not the other person. That is one of the ways a new person is not made to feel welcome. Why would a new person risk being treated this way? There's a lack of respect in the way it was done in this thread. JR, you, too. 

The only people who get off in a circle jerk are the people participating. Go somewhere else for that, please.

I think Cobain would have taken the lead spot in Dead & Co. if he lived to see the day.

Right on,  Judit.

"contribute or fuck off"

Didn't he play a jazzmaster? Never understood the bridge set up on those things.

>>"contribute or fuck off"

Yes, but it's also about sharing your opinion without ad hominem attacks on other posters.

>>>St. Mark, you say at 9:21 "We all open ourselves to criticism when we start a thread." If you have a different opinion about something, talk about the opinion, not the other person. That is one of the ways a new person is not made to feel welcome. Why would a new person risk being treated this way? 

Fair enough, Judit. I'll definitely focus on sharing my opinion of the thread topic. If somebody disagrees with me, or questions the quality of my posts, I'll just tell 'em to fuck off. And if that somebody doesn't fuck off, imma send you an email, so you can tell 'em to fuck off too. Cool?

That oughta make people feel more welcome here.

What might make people feel more welcome is if everyone was kind in their comments and no one needed to be told to fuck off for any reason.

Let's hope that we can accomplish that.

In other news, Candyland was destroyed if a fire last night. The owners plan to rebuild

St. Mark, you would tell them to fuck off? Why that? Because hounder is quoting what I said to JR? Bah! 

And by the way, I haven't gotten any emails from Zoners about another Zoner yet, so yours will be the first.

So...no go on the fuck off approach then?

Back to the drawing board.

hahahahaha

i enjoy this thread. thank you. 

I appreciate you sharing your opinion, McDoobs. 

Would you be willing to post the totally mind blowing story you suggested you were considering sharing yesterday? I know I speak for many when I say it would be a fantastic contribution to this thread. Thanks!

We cool Mcdoobie? 

So that's a firm "no" on the story then? That's disappointing.

I'll leave you be, McDoobs. Clearly this Nirvana thread has become a very stressful experience for you.

Enjoy the day. 

Fuck (off), Mark. How many times do you have to be admonished before you act like an adult, admit you're wrong and apologize?

Your act is played out and tired. Maybe find another hobby or website? You're always claiming to be the best at the internet--can you troll some other message board? Phantasy Tour might work for you. 

This is pretty cool. Kurt Cobain did a bunch of solo radio appearances, and some of them have popped up on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/3FBQIa7X7c0

What if he's not dead?

http://mileswmathis.com/cobain.pdf

Fuck off, Hounder.

>>>>>>Yes, but it's also about sharing your opinion without ad hominem attacks on other posters.

I agree. McDoobs shouldn't have attacked Marks character.

In their Pat Smear convo I think McDoobs may have been holding on to some anger from Marks first post in this thread. 

McDoobs would be right if he had said the addition of Smear may have enabled Kurt to write more complicated songs after In Utero, but he was incorrect in saying those songs on In Utero were written with Smear in mind.

It's pretty stupid that something they both seem to enjoy turned into petty bickering but I don't read this as just a problem on St Marks end.

There's my unsolicited $0.02

Godammit Mark! Haven't you learned anything from this?

Of course you don't read it that way, Hoover.  

Mark being a dick to McDoobs ain't new around here. That's why it's so played out. 

I didn't excuse Marks behavior.  It was petty bickering on both sides.

I'm not surprised some people want it to all be blamed on Mark though.  He's helped a few of you make yourself seem fairly foolish over the years.  Seems to be plenty of grudges held.

Damnit. I'm sorry, Hounder. 

note to self: telling other zoners to fuck off is rude. Definitely don't  do that. 

>>>>>>Mark being a dick to McDoobs ain't new around here.

I was unaware of that feud and enjoy reading both of their posts.

Apology accepted. Moving forward.

See how this works, folks? I think the healing between Mark and I could be a lesson to all. This is how adults do internet

I'm feeling an incredible sense of harmony and an avalanche of good vibes from Hounder right now.

I wish more zoners would follow our example.

Now I know how double rainbow guy felt

>>>>>>>Now I know how double rainbow guy felt

Or the crying guy picture Slacker posts

Was anyone as unimpressed with Nirvana as with Green Day when they blew up? 

I wish Dogman were here to add to this. He loved 90's music. 

I'm riding a unicorn right now, Hounder.

We're listening to the mellow songs on Unplugged.

>>>>>I do think Kurt knew the In Utero material would need another player to do it justice.

I agree.  It's totally all speculation.  I bet he didn't even think about performing them live when they were written.  He probably did during the recording process though.

An argument could be made for the material on Nevermind needing a second guitarist as well; but they did well with those songs live as a trio.

I think adding Smear was more about the fact that they were firmly locked into 20k+ venues at that stage in their touring career. Adding another guitarist was sort of the obvious move. Green Day actually did the same thing when they got to that level. So did the Black Keys. They actually added a couple of musicians, I think.

He's riding a unicorn right now Mcdoobie, give it a rest.

I don't think he was trolling you.  That word trolling gets thrown around too much. 

I think he was busting your balls (I could be wrong about his intentions though).  It's obviously a subject that you had more to say about than SSIA. You got hostile right from the get go though, and I don't think I'm misreading that.  

Either way I wish you, Mark, and I were listening to Nirvana, and pulling tubes together right now.  

Nevermind was clearly calculated to be a big, widely promoted release by Geffen when it came out.

No band gets that big by accident, despite the posture Kurt (and to a lesser degree the other band members) took in the media after they blew up.

McDoobs, do you think it was Nirvana because they were the easiest band for Geffen to take advantage of?

I saw nirvana on their tour after in utero came out. It was at American university's basketball court, Bender Arena, in Washington DC. 

It had a capacity of a few thousand. Not too sure nirvana ever was playing many 20k plus venues. 

The Pixies probably should have been the biggest band of the 90's; but they were so dysfunctional it didn't happen.

>>>>>>>It had a capacity of a few thousand. Not too sure nirvana ever was playing many 20k plus venues. 

If anybody want's to look into that, here's a good place to start:

http://www.livenirvana.com/tourhistory/

I was playing drums in a punk band at the time, mostly covers of 80's gems. At gigs the guitar player would throw in a riff from Nevermind or Teen Spirit, just to get the crowd's attention. Then we'd fall back into Fear, Black Flag, or the Circle Jerks. Most gigs ended when fights broke out in the mosh pit and spilled into our equipment. Needless to say, that was a different vibe than Timmy's alt-Mormon band from the same era. Sorry, no pics. 

I was playing drums in a punk band at the time, mostly covers of 80's gems. At gigs the guitar player would throw in a riff from Nevermind or Teen Spirit, just to get the crowd's attention. Then we'd fall back into Fear, Black Flag, or the Circle Jerks. Most gigs ended when fights broke out in the mosh pit and spilled into our equipment. Needless to say, that was a different vibe than Timmy's alt-Mormon band from the same era. Sorry, no pics. 

You guys wanna get surgical on arena capacities?

Careful not to let floor seating troll the fuck outta the numbers.

The Pixies have always been the obvious "coulda" band from that era. Sonic Youth was too weird. Pavement was too obnoxious. Fugazi obviously wasn't going to let it happen.

I'm still bummed Texas Zoner Jam never happened.  Furious E and I were working on putting together a project called Heart Shaped Box Of Rain that would mesh songs and styles of GD and Nirvana.

Did they sell out all 20,000 seat arenas or just play them? 

>>>>Needless to say, that was a different vibe than Timmy's alt-Mormon band from the same era. Sorry, no pics. 

How old were you at that time, captain? Did you know any Sublime covers? 

I'm not even vaguely interested in doing research while I zone, McDoobs. Maybe after work.

Kurt would have gotten a chuckle out of Nirvana having become Dad-Rock.

Too bad he didn't just jump off the star-cycle and quit the music industry all together if he felt his muse was dried up.  Say, like John Lennon did for a few years to get his head straight.

Lately, I've been getting into Kendra Smith, who was the bassist/vocalist for The Dream Syndicate, then Opal, the band that became Mazzy Star after she left and they brought in Hope Sandoval.  Kendra put out her last solo album in 1995, "Five Ways Of Disappearing" an excellent album many rate above the work of the beloved Mazzy Star.  She then, literally disappeared.

From Wikipedia:

>>>>

Not much is known about her after the solo album came out except according to 4AD she had moved to the woods of Northern California in the early 1990s, living in a small cabin with no electricity, and returned there after making two appearances to promote the album.

Looking at hoover's list they played Oakland coliseum New Years 93 and an equally big venue in San Diego right before that. 

That being said, I saw them a month before that at a venue with a few thousand. Got tickets day of show. 

It it seems as if the majority of their shows in the US were at small college arenas like where I saw them. 

I'm still bummed Texas Zoner Jam never happened.  Furious E and I were working on putting together a project called Heart Shaped Box Of Rain that would mesh songs and styles of GD and Nirvana.<<<<

Smells Like Teen Age Wasteland?

I'm done with you.

Their last two U.S. shows were at Seattle's Key Arena, and were both sold out.

>>>> If you can post a link to something I might like, I'd appreciate it.

Not sure if Nirvana is your thing J, but maybe this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LFVQpDKHk4

or this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDyvClUsCJU

In other 90's bands news, At The Drive In announced their first album and tour in 17 years today:

http://www.jambands.com/news/2017/02/22/at-the-drive-in-announce-first-a...

Did they sell out every 15,000plus California venue during both the Nevermind tour

and the In Utero tour? 

>>How old were you at that time, captain?

I graduated HS in '91, pool boy. What year would you have graduated, had you finished HS?

>>>>See, there it is. Drop that "busting balls" crap and we're cool. We are addressing each other with a relative amount of respect: why go there? 

You've basically said the same thing 4 times in this thread.  I know telling someone to lighten up never works, but lighten up and laugh at yourself a little.  Also, though I see where you've asked him to stop and he hasn't.  So, sorry for my part in thinking his 'done with this' was funny.

Lets come up with a Nirvana related safeword for this thread and all agree to back off if anybody uses it.

>>>See, there it is. Drop that "busting balls" crap and we're cool

Don't presume to tell me how to zone, McDoobs. 

I told you I'd leave you be, but you've insisted on riding my dick for the last two hours. If reading your own quotes in a thread is more than you can handle, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Grow some skin, dude. 

The safe word is Polly.

After a quick look at the link and some googling, i didn't see any mention of

sold out shows at the big arenas. It seems as if they only played a few of them. 

Captain, what was the age of everyone at your punk shows? Mostly younger high schoolers or 

college age adults? 

I was at the second one. Did you go Dave?<<<<

No, I screwed that one up, Mike.  

I had had just moved to Humboldt County from Virginia near the end of 1993.  I had been getting into Hard-Bop Jazz at the record store gig I'd had back East, and had an attitude about most current Rock 'n' Roll.  I figured anything the 13 year old boys riding their skateboards to our store from their upper crust Blue Blood homes liked, must suck.  So I resisted giving bands like the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pixies and Nirvana a chance.  Fast forward to Humboldt, and I was hanging out with a bunch of homegrown Humboldt early 20-somethings, who played a lot of Nirvana, Sublime and Tool.  I started to dig modern Rock again.  Fortunately, I caught a couple of Sublime shows when they came to Arcata.  On that last U.S. Nirvana tour, a bunch of my friends were going to the Medford, Oregon show (I think Butthole Surfers and Meat Puppets were the opening acts).  They asked me if I wanted to go, but I was short on funds then (Humbled County) and said, "I'll catch them next time".

Oh well, fuck me.

>>>>FUCK OFF

Polly.

>>>>Spare me the lecture about "lightening up" though.

For sure.  That's kind of why I apologized in advance.

It's hard to watch a mans sense of humor die right in front of you.

Tragic

It's like watching a small dog trying to cross a busy highway, isn't it?

>>>>>This thread kinda has my Irish up.

Happens to the best of us.

Also, great thread.

>>>>>We cool Hoover

Glad to hear it.  All the best your way.  Give OG a hug for me if you see him, and Happy Birthday.

Mc doobie hates this thread and he wants to die

I see what you did there, E.

Interesting pre mazzy star band info up there, herbal Dave btw

>>>>>Hey: thanks for the final push I needed Hoover. The OG thing was perfect. I'm done with this fucking place. Peace out. 

I meant it for real.  I wasn't being snarky.  I thought you guys were buddies.  Or are you and him beefing too?

<<I'm done with this fucking place. Peace out. 

http://thephilzone.net

I encourage everyone to rape this thread; it's what cobain would have wanted

Here's a timely lyric quote & song (with link!)

Opinion

Congratulations you have won
It's a years subscription of bad puns.
And it makes your story our concern
And you set it up for returns

My opinions. Mmm. Mmm. [x4]

And there seems to be a problem here.
Your state of emotion seems to clear.
You rise and fall like wall street stock
And you had an affect on our happy talk

https://youtu.be/5Jja5iWRp1w

Hoover, I sort of liked the first link, All Apologies. Listening to Something in the Way, seems like it sort of dirges along. That might not be the right word but it's not far off. Thanks for the links.

>>>>istening to Something in the Way, seems like it sort of dirges along.

Yeah, it's their Death Don't or Black Peter.

You might enjoy/tolerate On A Plain too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWrW0j6uOIU

On A Plain, nope. I tried. That's good for now. Thanks.

I can definitely appreciate why Hoover is aiming for the mellower side of the Nirvana spectrum with his recs for J.

Give this Halloween show a listen if you want to hear the band in their ragged, aggressive live glory.

https://youtu.be/-_awkqs7oG8

Yeah, I didn't really figure Nirvana would end up being your cup o tea.  Of that genre, Smashing Pumpkins might be more to your liking.

I wonder if a Smashing Pumpkins thread would break 100 posts?

Only if zoners were allowed to virtually punch Billy Corgan in the dick.

I think something like that could put up decent numbers.

Well, that defiles the Cobain thread more than anything else posted so far.

The weirdest thing Billy Corgan ever did (which is really saying something) was replace the original Smashing Pumpkins members with lookalikes.

It's almost like the alt rock equivalent of what Furthur did, in a way.

>>>>>Well, that defiles the Cobain thread more than anything else posted so far.

Just taking requests

Furious E

 O1>11 on Wednesday, February 22, 2017 – 02:17 pm

I encourage everyone to rape this thread; it's what cobain would have wanted

my ass hurts from this thread. 

JR, would you be interested in co-hosting a selvedge denim thread with me sometime in the near future?

This thread got going good and represents Nirvana pretty well IMO.

It's edgy, a little raw, there's quality & clams, and also pushing & shoving.

There's even some virtual crowd surfing with a goodbye cruel zone post.

Just a little rock 'n roll here on VLZ.

I have agree with Lance. 

This thing looked like it might be a turd out of the gate, but actually managed to go places; not unlike Nirvana's somewhat unlikely career.

Well then - if that's the case  - I think you should give McDoobs some praise for the thread - after all.

Well, It doesn't take a whole lot of looking to see who did the heavy lifting today.

Let's not forget Nirvana had Chad Channing on drums at one point before Dave Grohl joined the band...and nobody cares.

When it comes time to dole out praise, you are a very stingy man, St. Milo.

Credit where it's due, Six.

<<Well then - if that's the case  - I think you should give McDoobs some praise for the thread - after all.

were were just riding the crest of a meltdown breaking on the low t shore. 

It is fun to read your posts in the voice of Milo, btw.

Sounds like fun, Six.

I read your posts in the voice of a zoner who never hesitates to jump on the good ship Bliss Ninnie when it suits him before jumping right back into the pissing game before the day is over.

Ya know. In my opinion. 

You have opinions?

I hope you are not in a hurry with the pissing game. With low T comes an enlarged prostate and it can take a while sometimes.

BETTE MIDLER LYRICS

"Wind Beneath My Wings"
 

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
It must have been cold there in my shadow,
to never have sunlight on your face.
You were content to let me shine, that's your way.
You always walked a step behind.

So I was the one with all the glory,
while you were the one with all the strength.
A beautiful face without a name for so long.
A beautiful smile to hide the pain.

Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
'cause you are the wind beneath my wings.

It might have appeared to go unnoticed,
but I've got it all here in my heart.
I want you to know I know the truth, of course I know it.
I would be nothing without you.

Did you ever know that you're my hero?
You're everything I wish I could be.
I could fly higher than an eagle,
'cause you are the wind beneath my wings.

Did I ever tell you you're my hero?
You're everything, everything I wish I could be.
Oh, and I, I could fly higher than an eagle,
'cause you are the wind beneath my wings,
'cause you are the wind beneath my wings.

Oh, the wind beneath my wings.
You, you, you, you are the wind beneath my wings.
Fly, fly, fly away. You let me fly so high.
Oh, you, you, you, the wind beneath my wings.
Oh, you, you, you, the wind beneath my wings.

Fly, fly, fly high against the sky,
so high I almost touch the sky.
Thank you, thank you,
thank God for you, the wind beneath my wings.

Found a pic of Timmy and Mark. As these two grow old and pat each other on the back on each thread, let's wish them good luck into old farthood. Hope your zoner friendship rides out into the sunset. Never stop validating each other, guys!

Mark, congrats on staying fashionable as an old guy. 

If only it were the 90's again for these two........

>>>I'm not surprised some people want it to all be blamed on Mark though.  He's helped a few of you make yourself seem fairly foolish over the years.  Seems to be plenty of grudges held.

Mark has made Judit seem fairly foolish???? she's neutral and was calling him out. Nice white Knight attempt though..        Gravy is right as usual..

I'm Patrick Stewart in that pic, aren't I?

Nice thread Mcdoods, sorry you got douched on.

Nice contribution by Timpane.

Jesus Christ

God I hate superfluous punctuation.

Nice of the Fo6 squad to stop by to argue about the arguing.

I'll take a pass guys.  Thanks.

Fo6 is like the guy who shows up a closing time asking everybody if they're "ready to party?!?!?!?"

After parties are where it's at, Martha. 

>>I'll take a pass

Thats what you're supposed to do with a losing hand. 

Is that why you've been taking so many "breaks" from the zone lately?

Fog, do you have anything to say or ask about Kurt Cobain or did you just stop in for some ass patting?

Correct, Mark. Timmy has his Cowboy hat in hand.