Republicans are very sick

No Worries

Cmon Pubs a Technicality ?

NO Worries Trump Is Toast as a Private Citizen TOAST.

Mitch threw trump in a Trash Can ! (awesome) voted No still to aquit for the sake OF Republican party.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems some people have mental issues!

Obviously there is widespread voter fraud in the senate. Did Dominion count the votes?

And I'm not talking about Republicans. Though many do!

It's okay, LLTD, the impeachment had to happen but it was just a formality. The vote went exactly as expected. It's not like there was any new evidence or info presented.

Maybe now everyone can be done with that shitgibbon for a while. I'm thoroughly sick of hearing his name. There will either be criminal charges by the Southern District of NY, and the suit by Fulton County, GA. What will come of those, who knows? I almost do t care anymore. Like I said, I'm ready for that piece of shit to fade into oblivion.

Nuthin' left to do, so,,,

Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw 
https://youtu.be/LL9O0B0gzZE

GOP has ended

GOQ from now on

What was the vote? Any repugs cross over?  Any dems fold?

I get my news from here....

(Barry Bonds is a Republican)

agreed. 

and pelosi just yesterday on record saying america needs a strong republicans party? 

why? 

kill the filibuster and get this thing moving. 

the dems are fucking up badly, immediately. 

kinda funny at this point tho. 

<<<>>>

people that do little

do harm

<<<>>>
 

democrats right now. 

Republicans were never going to vote to indict. A lot of people got fooled just like always. Hope you guys enjoyed the reality tv show.

The founders clearly established a principle of legislative supremacy as the primary underpinning of the architecture of the Constitution.

The Constitution clearly enumerates "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments".

On Feb 9, the Senate exercised its power with a bipartisan majority vote to affirm its Constitutional jurisdiction in a trial of a former President.

Today, Senator Mitch McConnell explained his vote to acquit Trump in the impeachment trial was due to his belief the Senate does not have the jurisdiction to conduct an impeachment trial of a former President after leaving office.

Was the Senate vote on Feb 9 non-binding and Senator McConnell (and other Senators) simply believed they were able to override it? If this is the case, can Senators simply ignore any vote they disagree with?

Seems to me that the Senators should have voted based on the merits of the case. If Trump was then found guilty, then his lawyers could have appealed the Constitutionality to the SCOTUS. McConnell and other Republicans clearly think he was guilty as charged.

Whatever...

This morning our Republic awakens in a greatly reduced state. The only question now is whether this trend will continue, or reverse?

Seems to me that the Senators should have voted based on the merits of the case. If Trump was then found guilty, then his lawyers could have appealed the Constitutionality to the SCOTUS. McConnell and other Republicans clearly think he was guilty as charged.<<<<

I agree with your main underlying sentiment, but not sure how an appeal of the Constitutionality to the SCOTUS on an impeachment would work if it's a clear separate of powers issue?  IOW, if the Constitution clearly states "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments", and the Constitution is otherwise silent on the timing, then would the SCOTUS be overstepping it's bounds other than to simply concur with what is written in the Constitution?

This morning our Republic awakens in a greatly reduced state. The only question now is whether this trend will continue, or reverse?<<<

I'm convinced it's a slippery slope / downward spiral from here on out ... unless there's some major step to assert accountability (i.e. 14th or new impeachment trial).

There is no appeal to the Supreme Court or any other court.

The Senate makes its own rules for this.

It is a political decision.

Mitch was disingenuous when he voted to acquit a guilty man on the grounds that the Senate had no jurisdiction. The Senate decided this issue by a vote at the start of the proceedings and found there was jurisdiction.

McConnell is still a POS. 

Star rounding them up and ship 'em off to china for 'reeducation'

You know you want to.

..besides no republican comes close to Long Gone Pelosi.  She is one sick puppy. 

Maybe, after this, they can tighten up some of that pesky gray area? If anything, Orange Shitgibbon has shown us where the gaping holes are.

^^Star rounding them up and ship 'em off to china for 'reeducation'

You know you want to.^^

It's insane that you believe this...but you're not very smart either. 

I hear those Uyghur camps are sweet this time of year.

Hating republicans is in fashion right now

Most democrats get their news from the fuckin today show. Or walt disney..either way the ccp moderates network news content anyway. 

>>Most democrats get their news from the fuckin today show

Can you please link to the Newsmax or OAN article that gave that tidbit of info?

Who are the good republicans that are being persecuted? 

Please back up your stupid statements with evidence. 

At the end of the day,  all the democrats want is a one party system and what's worse is the one global government aspirations in the name of defeating climate change. Thats why they are trying to get rid of the filibuster and pack the supreme court. These idiots will probably go 14th amendment before they ever get around to covid relief. But you know what?  One party system is nazi shit all the way. And that is what the democrats are fighting for.     

They are? Which ones? We should send them to re-education camps in the Philippines.

Provide an example of the fight you are describing.

> ship 'em off to china for 'reeducation'

> One party system is nazi shit all the way.

It's China. It's the Nazis. It's g-reg spinning out.

> Please back up your stupid statements with evidence.

> Provide an example of the fight you are describing.

Slacker, have you ever considered going back to school and getting a degree so you can teach? You sure do sound like one sometimes.

At the end of the day,  all the democrats want is a one party system and what's worse is the one global government aspirations in the name of defeating climate change. Thats why they are trying to get rid of the filibuster and pack the supreme court. These idiots will probably go 14th amendment before they ever get around to covid relief. But you know what?  One party system is nazi shit all the way. And that is what the democrats are fighting for.<<<<

How do you account for someone like me who's voted for Gary Johnson twice and Ralph Nader once since 2000?

I could never go back to school. I've never been comfortable with the time it takes. 

Being a student is not about being comfortable. Quite the contrary. It's a radical program of personal transformation, and there should always be some growing pains.

Face, critical thinking is not Greg's forte.

Online learning could be a real game-changer, Slack, so don't discount it. Some colleges have really mastered it. My GF felt the same way as you, but a few years ago she started taking online classes at SNHU. She's getting straight A's, and does her work at her leisure. Smoke some weed, do some reading, smoke more, post in the classroom discussion board. It'll be just like Zoning, but for credit.

But I don't want to teach anything. I don't even want to teach golf. 

I want to be a laborer in California. It's a Democratic party majority state so it should be doable. 

Berkeley just eliminated single family zoning after a hundred years. Affordable housing is next. 

Somewhere, the guru of all the pool-cleaners raises an eyebrow.

^Buttermaker?

In that case, definitely don't!

Wow.  Greg's going full-on fucktard.  Will he send Alex Jones a piece of his stimulus check?

Face, critical thinking is not Greg's forte<<<

Perhaps it could be if he applied himself.

Going along with the program / joining a cult is the easy way out ... it's being lazy

<<<>>>and pelosi just yesterday on record saying america needs a strong republicans party? 

crickets........expected. 

where's all the brunch liberals, yas queen pelosi loving corporate apologists? 

your queen is speaking trash again. 

lltd? you hate republicans but love pelosi. what's your take? she's correct? we should spend time reaching across the aisle to these white supremacist loving scumbags for legislative compromise? 

we know lumber thinks the dems should compromise w/ white supremacists -- that's how govt works he says, and we can't do anything about it. nothing. 

so that's what the $120m dollar lady says. and she's powerful. 

sensate on recess. 

biden playing arcade games at camp david. 

shit going just as planned. 

amd americans are suffering at an exponential level. 

Brother pyro, where'd ya get yer foam hat ?

>we know lumber thinks the dems should compromise w/ white supremacists<

Fuck you. You're a lying asshole. I never said that. I stated that "Needing 60 votes in the Senate forces compromise or gridlock"

You're too fucking stupid to understand the legislative process and you're a lying piece of shit.

Fuck you!

haha 

Thanks everybody for answering my questions.   I guess you need to be a rightwing idiot to get a response here.

Not true, Mark. Pyramid is a left wing idiot 

Pyramid is no idiot.  Can be a dick. But no idiot.

Those who don't understand?.................

So you say he knows he's full of shit with the assertions he makes?

lumber is a corporate apologist, a bloomberg democrat haha. 

Bloomberg? 

Oh,  Fuck you 

lumber is simmering around a 4.2 right now. 

Na, jr, that's the onions I'm frying up. 

<<<>>>Overall I do think she's very bright and it has an important role to play

oh, i know. you support her roll is crushing progressive policy, rubber stamping trump agenda, and making sure republicans get what they want all while making sure she's fucking the working class. 

she's extremely valuable. 

<<<<>>>>we know lumber thinks the dems should compromise w/ white supremacists -- that's how govt works he says, and we can't do anything about it. nothing. 

add LLTD to this long list. 

I hope she uses protection against STDs while fucking the working class.

Fuck you, Pyramid 

haha lumber. rough day, huh. 

No, Pyramid,  you're an asshole. You calumniate me and expect a different reaction?  I'm just showing you the respect you deserve. 

i expect nothing different from somebody like you. 

i'm not offended at all. 

very rough day for you here. not the end of the world. 

mr pelosi. 

Rough day?

  You spew a bunch of lies about me, and feel good about it. 

Like I said, you're a lying, asshole, piece of shit. 

Fuck you

haha. 

mr pelosi is mad. 

Fuck you 

have we seen lumber melt like this before? 

mr pelosi >>>>
 

Lols, that one made water go down the wrong tube

He's been using that for a while, Timpane. 

Fuck you, Pyramid.

It's going to be my standard response to you going forward. 

that's fine. 

i know what you are, so no reason to keep beating this horse. 

you're just as bad as the gop. 

sucker. 

Fuck you

so 5.0. 

you can't melt harder. 

where do we go from here? 

The jokes on here have been funnier since I haven't been on here as often. Honestly might not be a bad idea to take a break for a little and come back, Lumber. Not even trolling you or anything, it's just a suggestion. Take or leave it 

Pyramid,  don't mind criticism, it's the blatant and slanderous lies that bother me. 

i haven't lied. 

So did you finally get what you were looking for here, ogkb?

never satisfied, mayor pete. 

Yes, you did, Pyramid. 

> we know lumber thinks the dems should compromise w/ white supremacists<

That's a lie, a slanderous one

Name calling and being a dick isn't much game, ogkb. Is that all you've got?

saying nothing all the time and just existing isn't much either. 

we know that's all you've got. 

lumber, you said we have to compromise w/ the racist gop b/c that's how it works. 

You're making Timpane look like a genius, I'll give you that.

remember when you googled mayor pete has no friends. 

haha. 

Ogkb, have you ever considered becoming a Jehova's Witness? Think of all the dolts out there that you could bludgeon into converting. 

...

>lumber, you said we have to compromise w/ the racist gop b/c that's how it works<

No, I said that needing 60 votes forces compromise or gridlock.  It's how the system is set up.

You asked me if I thought they should eliminate the filibuster, I said they should, but Sinema and Manchin are opposed. 

Just felt like bopping in here to say: it is for certain, the mikeedwards and the lumber trucks of the world make this fake zone a way less palatable place to hang and share info than do the Mr Timpanes and Pyramidheats.

Also, in b4 BrianK.. oh wait, it's now 2021. Dude has been at this nonstop for over two decades now. Solid.

Also, Raz is a racist sock. Weird that Judit is ok with that lol but whatevs.

Carry on.

now biden is gonna kill the measly $15 minimum wage piece. hilarious. 

he super powerful, yet refuses to use that power. 

same team. 

I hear Texas is nice this time of year

> biden is gonna kill the measly $15 minimum wage piece. hilarious. 

he super powerful, yet refuses to use that power. <

Sinema and Manchin have publicly opposed a $15 minimum wage, it doesn't pass without their votes, but it's Biden's fault?

 Biden should just order Sinema and Manchin to vote for it, right?

Why doesn't Sanders refuse support until the $15 is included?

Doesn't pass without his vote.

Manchin also opposes Neera Tanden's nomination for OMB. ogkb should like that.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/19/969587197/manchin-opposes-neera-tandens-o...

Lawmakers Consider 2 Plans For Monthly Payments To Address Child Poverty

The new COVID-19 relief bill includes proposals that were unthinkable not that long ago: giving families a few hundred dollars every month, for every child in their household

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/19/968346692/monthly-benefit-to-low-income-p...

<<<>>>Biden should just order Sinema and Manchin to vote for it, right?

yup. you got it. 

tell them there will be severe consequences if they don't get on board. use the power. that's how it works. 

Get on board or be like Texas.

^^What sort of severe consequences?

what do you think man? 

Thanks Fish.

>What do you think man?

Since Biden is not a dictator and cannot order Manchin to vote for it, they could earmark some money for West Virginia, that might persuade Manchin.  Biden could threaten to support a primary challenger next time Manchin is up for election in 2024. But that's not much of a threat, Biden only received 29.69%, in West Virginia. Schumer could threaten to take away Manchin's committee assignment. 

If Biden/Schumer plays hard ball, Manchin could threaten to withhold support for much, or all ,of Biden's agenda, This would mean that not much of anything would pass.

And although he has previously stated he wouldn't,  Manchin could switch parties. That seems like a severe consequence to me.

What sort of consequences were you thinking?

Water boarding?

maybe kidnap the wife? 

lumber -- take it easy man. your party is doing exactly what you want them to -- absolutely nothing. 

if biden cared, he get manchin on board -- it's that simple. you're over thinking this, like everything. 

dictator. lol. how many times have you posted that word on viva lol. 

LLTD melting hard. non stop. 

The House bill looks pretty comprehensive, by far the best stimulus package to date. I'd hate to see a $15 minimum wage hold it up, when other Covid benefits are set to end in a month.

i gotta say -- manchin voting against neera tanden is hilarious. blue maga is melting. they depend on manchin! hahahahaha. 

good stuff. fuck that woman, her record is appalling. 

> your party is doing exactly what you want them to <

Incorrect. 

>if biden cared, he get manchin on board<

How? You said there would be consequences, please explain what sort or consequences. I'm seriously interested in what you believe Biden can do.

>dictator. lol. how many times have you posted that word on viva<

Likely everytime you insist that Biden can impose his will and order legislators to vote a particular way.

>you're over thinking this<

You said there could be severe consequences,  I just suggest a few realistic scenarios. Conversly, you make unsupported claims of Biden's leverage over Manchin.  What can Biden do? Please explain. 

>The House bill looks pretty comprehensive... I'd hate to see a $15 minimum wage hold it up, when other Covid benefits are set to end in a month.<

Yep.

biden can use his power as president of the united states to get manchin to support the package. he doesn't need to personally support the $15 min wage. he must vote for the package. 

this happens all the time. you know this. 

dem leadership, biden, the fucking president, uses his office to get manchin on board. 

biden isn't doing this. 

blue maga more upset at manchin over neera than $15min wage (which is already laughable). 

The minimum wage needs its own bill that can be debated. That way the voters can see, front and center, the douchebags that are content to keep the $7.25 wage (or whatever poverty level shit many of them will try to get through). Tying it in to Covid relief won't work. 

>biden can use his power as president of the united states to get manchin to support the package<

Which presidential power would that be? Please explain. 

Apparently, the $15 is a deal breaker for Manchin and Sinema. 

>$15min wage (which is already laughable)<

I agree. I was listening to a business owner pine over his inability to hire new employees, despite offering $16 per hour.  I shook my head and said, "maybe it's because people can't support a family with $16 per hour."

^thats what, in your words, real progressives, we're trying to do w/ m4a -- and blue maga and the brunch liberals laughed at us. 

this happened like 2 weeks ago. lol. 

Ogkb, you're making some rather big assumptions about what Biden and other Democrats may or may not have done to sway Manchin. We have no idea.

lumber, your games are kinda lame man. 

if you don't understand how the president can use their influence and power of the office to get shitheads from their party on board, then go take a class like you tell me. 

Okay, pal, I can see that "blue maga" is your catch-phrase du jour. Don't over-use it like you did all the others.

just pointing out a fact. that's exactly what happened. 

were you for that vote?

my guess is no. 

Raising the minimum wage is a completely different type of action than is universal health, and with totally different ramifications.

It needs its own bill, and can surely come up from $7.25.

^^^^^so the holdup is that the scumbags are on vacation still? 

^Games?  You said Biden can "use his power as president of the united states "

Which presidential power? 

>if you don't understand how the president can use their influence and power of the office to get shitheads from their party on board, then go take a class like you tell me. <

I do understand,  this is why I suggested a few possible scenarios, refuting your unsubstantiated claims.

Slow down, you're all over the place. Which vote are you asking about and then assuming I was against.

your reasoning for a wage vote is the exact reasoning for holding a vote on m4a, during a pandemic. 

min wage should be $23/hr. 

Okay, it's not, but you may as well run with it. Maybe berate me and call me names? It's been a while.

It would be so much easier to discuss anything with you if your ultimate goal wasn't a dismantling of the entire system as we know it.

bk you're getting soft in your old age. 

holding a vote on m4a is dismantling the entire system? well, maybe in a way -- but not the way you're implying it. 

<<<>>>The minimum wage needs its own bill that can be debated. That way the voters can see, front and center, the douchebags that are content to keep the $7.25 wage (or whatever poverty level shit many of them will try to get through). Tying it in to Covid relief won't work. 

yes, in fact, exactly the same. haha. what are you talking about? 

Well, like it or not, universal health simply won't pass until there are more Progressives in Congress. An increase to minimum wage can and will. I don't see it being $15, but 10 or 12 is better than $7.25.

^hahahahahahahhaha. 

awesome. 

nobidy is asking for a wage increase to 10$ or 12$. that's disgusting. 

$15 is the floor, bare minimum. and when they shut down on 15$, i say demand $20 going forward. nothing less. 

wait -- so you were against the symbolic m4a vote? 

but for the symbolic wage increase vote? 

just trying to keep track here. 

Like it or not, universal health is dismantling a multi billion dollar system with a lot of political power behind it, the cocks of which politicians must suck. It's a very big change that will have ripple effects.

That's just fact. I want to see it happen, but those are the major obstacles.

If you show me where I was against a symbolic m4a vote within the last month (or ever), I'll drive to Burlington, purchase and eat an entire one of your pizzas this evening.

 >>>>>and when they shut down on 15$, i say demand $20 going forward. nothing less. 

That'll change their minds.

^just threaten them with undefined "severe consequences."

Sounds a little like a wise guy offering "insurance."

i know you're for it.

that's the issue tho, a multi billion dollar for profit system doesn't work. it's intended to be this way. 

so we have to flush out the scum, take a vote, force opponents of this basic human right to show themselves. 

then get them out of office. 

lumber thinks we should just accept mediocre corporate ruled policy and take it as is. 

no fight. just bend over and take it. 

like a good blue maga liberal. 

^No, you just haven't offered a concrete way to get the required votes . The only thing that might sway Manchin is some old fashioned pork.

Manchin doesn't give a fuck.

Manchin also opposes eliminating the filibuster and packing the Supreme Court. 

^just like biden. 

he also doesn't give a fuck. 

where's that leave us? 

totally fucked. 

>where's that leave us? 

With a half of a loaf

 But that proposal to provide monthly payments to low income folks with kids is estimated to lift 10 million kids out of poverty. 

>>we have to flush out the scum, take a vote, force opponents of this basic human right to show themselves.

Minimum wage increase isn't that much of a politicized issue, and having a vote now will do exactly that. Although I wish it would, I don't see it happening with universal health, at least not right now. 

$15 minimum wage and the need for universal healthcare are inextricably linked. 
 

Why?

because the job that pays people nine bucks an hour is the same one that takes a third of it to pay for "healthcare" that can't even buy a bandaid without a copay.

maybe we need another million COVID deaths first

bk, that's corporate apologist logic. 

sorry man. 

For the sake of playing devil's advocate, I'll say that's not exactly true, Bss. The thresholds for free and subsidized health can easily go up commensurate with an increase in minimum wage, so that the only winner isn't the insurance industry.

The states that chose to be on the Federal Exchange are locked into the numbers set by the feds. Vermont, for instance, has a considerably higher threshold. I think that a few shithole red states have lower thresholds.

I only bring this up because if they are inextricably linked, then we're fucked. By unlinking them, at least it's a stopgap measure that can allow for some progress, and not put billions more into the pockets of the health insurance industry.

Just a thought...

Ogkb, stop with the "corporate apologist" stuff already. Pointing out reality doesn't mean that one is apologizing for it.

It's a fact that Catholics believe in transubstantiation. That doesn't mean that I believe in it.

Sanders confident of raising minimum wage as part of $1.9tn Covid package

Bernie Sanders said on Saturday he was confident Senate Democrats will be able to raise the US minimum wage to $15, a step firmly opposed by Republicans but a key part of the Biden administration’s $1.9tn coronavirus relief package. 

In a statement, the Vermont independent who caucuses with Democrats and chairs the Senate budget committee said he was “very proud of the strong arguments our legal team is making to the parliamentarian that raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is not ‘incidental’ to the federal budget and is permissible under the rules of reconciliation”.

Reconciliation allows legislators to bypass the 60-vote majority needed for most Senate legislation, for items linked to spending and taxation. When Donald Trump held the White House, Republicans used it to force through tax cuts. Under Barack Obama, Democrats used it to help pass the Affordable Care Act.

Sanders is championing moves to more than double the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour, its level since 2009, over a five-year period. The move is a key part of the Biden coronavirus relief package, meant to tackle the devastating impact of a pandemic in which nearly 500,000 have died and unemployment has rocketed.

“Half of our workers are living paycheck to paycheck and millions of people are working for starvation wages,” Sanders wrote on Twitter on Friday. “We need the minimum wage to be a living wage and that’s why we’re going to raise it to $15 an hour.”

Public opinion is heavily in favour of the rise but Republicans are ranged against it, arguing that it would damage small businesses. Sanders counters that the gradual rise over five years should allay such concerns.

The Vermont senator is an experienced operator. After a coordinated if symbolic Republican move against the wage rise earlier this month, one Sanders staffer said: “This isn’t Bernie’s first rodeo … we can still try to pass minimum wage through the reconciliation bill.”

In his statement on Saturday, Sanders referred to two Republican priorities under Trump which could not reach 60 votes but which were pursued through reconciliation.

“The [Congressional Budget Office] has found that the $15 minimum wage has a much greater impact on the federal budget than opening up the Arctic national wildlife refuge to oil drilling and repealing the [ACA] individual mandate penalties,” he said, “two provisions that the parliamentarian advised did not violate the Byrd rule when Republicans controlled the Senate.”

The Byrd rule is named for Robert Byrd, a long-serving Democratic senator from West Virginia who died in 2010. According to the non-partisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, or CBPP, it “allows senators to block provisions of reconciliation bills that are ‘extraneous’ to reconciliation’s basic purpose of implementing budget changes”.

The Senate parliamentarian, Elizabeth MacDonough, is the first woman to interpret and manage the rules of Senate procedure. She must decide if a minimum wage raise can be pursued through reconciliation.

On Saturday, Sanders said he was confident McDonough would do so next week.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/20/bernie-sanders-minimum-w...

bernie being the rudder the to the titantic dem ship...

don't worry, they'll fuck it up.

>>>For the sake of playing devil's advocate, I'll say that's not exactly true, Bss. The thresholds for free and subsidized health can easily go up commensurate with an increase in minimum wage, so that the only winner isn't the insurance industry<<

Sure they can. Just like they can also go down. That legislators rely on incremental tweaks like fine-tuning entry thresholds and wage minimums to avoid the obvious, however; (That we don't even have a basic public option in this country) is an affirmation that we are operating in more or less full deferment to insurance operators. (Who also quite obviously have a fiduciary responsibility to return maximum profits to their shareholders).

So while its not exactly true, it's generally true, and more importantly it's functionally true.

maximum profit and maximum civic health just flat out aren't symbiotic goals.

I think Manchin might listen if about 300,000 West Virginians called his office and urged him to support the bill

They should just let manchin sit in the oval office for now. 

Advocates for $15 wage urge US Sen. Joe Manchin not to compromise on issue

Advocates for a $15 minimum wage said Thursday that Democratic U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin told them he was more open to a compromise that would raise the federal standard to $11

https://wchstv.com/news/local/advocates-for-15-wage-urge-us-sen-joe-manc...

Didn't Manchin play the drill instructor on Full Metal Jacket?

lol @ raising the minimum to $15 by 2025. that's fucking stupid. 

lltd -- are you an alcoholic? your post above is fucking hilarious man. 

>lol @ raising the minimum to $15 by 2025. that's fucking stupid.<

Sanders is on board. I believe that was a compromise to try gain the support of Sinema and Manchin.

i know sanders is on board.  so what?

big difference between yas queen liberals and people who choose humane policy is blind loyalty. 

> yas queen liberals and people who choose humane policy is blind loyalty<

Blind loyalty?   

No, it's a compromise to try to get the legislation passed.

It's not ideal.

>I know sanders is on board.  so what?<

It's likely that Sanders understands that it's the only possible way to include the $15.

They should forget about passing anything without the $15?

i understand what sanders is doing, and i don't blame the guy.

he know he works w/ some of the absolute worst people in the world, and  he has to do what he thinks he can for the poor and working class. 

the thing is, it's never ideal and the people always get fucked. always. 

raising the minimum to $15 by 2025 does nothing. 

When Bernie compromises it's a necessary evil. When the others do it's because they are pieces of shit.

Duh!

>>raising the minimum to $15 by 2025 does nothing.

It actually raises it by over 100%, which is quite a bit more than 0%.

>raising the minimum to $15 by 2025 does nothing<

Should they pass nothing unless the $15 is included?

bk -- that's how you see it? figures. 

bernie created this environment. nobody else was pushing for this shit years ago except him (on the national level). 

i don't agree w/ 15 by 2025. that's just fucked up. 

lumber, covid relief needs to have been passed weeks ago by the dems -- so i think that needs to be passed right now, today. immediately. 

then there should be a bill making the min wage $20/hr. 

You're such a scrapper.

wanna come get high sometime? 

i won't be offended if the answer is no. 

>lumber, covid relief needs to have been passed weeks ago by the dems -- so i think that needs to be passed right now, today. immediately<

I agree. unfortunately, reconciliation is not an instantaneous process. It requires weeks. This is one of the reasons Biden was looking for some Republican support. Hell, the Senate parliamentarian hasn't even ruled as to if the $15 minimum wage can be included, as per the rules of reconciliation. 

>then there should be a bill making the min wage $20/hr. <

Biden has stated a similar opinion, although it was for the current $15 target.  A $20 bill is likely DOA. Half a loaf.

Maybe we could just do tea first, and see how it goes.

Been subbing my second cup of coffee for ginger green tea last couple months. Noticing some increased health benefits.

Pro tip on green tea: whether in teabags or loose leaf, as long as you don't use boiling water you can get 3 brewings out of your tea leaves. I believe that the 3rd brewing is actually the strongest.

The errors to green tea are using too hot water and releasing tannins, as well as over-steeping.

I only use the highest quality green teas I can find. Used to have a loose leaf green tea supplier but her store flooded. I have an electric kettle which I set to 200 (or what is says on the box). I wish that lady was still around. She had so many different phenomenal varieties. Still looking for another vendor like her.

I know. We used to have a local guy who was an expert, but he retired. One of my favorites was the Quongjou milky oolong.

>>> wanna come get high sometime? 

yall let me know if you come to Utah, Nevada is very close...as western states define "close".

(meaning you could fit about 5 Vermonts between the Wasatch & Nevada)

fighting to save neera tanden embarrassment. 

fighting to get rahm emanuel into the cabinet. 

not fighting for the $2000 checks promised, not fighting for $15min wage, not fighting for student debt cancellation, not fighting to remove the kid from cages........

your 2021 democrats. 

is brunch back on yet? 

lltd -- you should support a rahm emanuel appt.

considering how he handled the laquan mcdonald case in chicago. 

your savior has deported 30k people since 1/20/21. 

^ T's ex wives?  

>>deported 30k people since 1/20/21.

True, almost all under Title 42, which is meant to stop the spread of Rona. It tends to target people from non White countries and needs to be ended.

 By all counts, almost all of the deportations have been new arrivals. ICE is no longer allowed to deport people who have been here for a while, without senior management approval.

Biden tried to stop all deportations, but a federal judge in TX, appointed by Trump, shot it down.

These are not corporate apologist talking points, they are facts that give context to your statement.

biden also reopened a coupe of trumps kids in cages facilities. corporate apologists calls them "migrant facilities for children". weird, right bk? 

just two months ago, they were called kids in cages -- ah, but that's right -- trump was president then. 

covid is an easy excuse for them. no doubt. 

ICE must be abolished. 

which "dems" here supper ICE? 

biden has provided vague guidance which is why ICE is still able to terrorize. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/jkass99/status/1364062458776752130

300m in raytheon weapons deals while in office. 

but fuck student debt. covid. m4a. etc etc. 

weapons. 

kids in cages. 

blue maga back to brunch yet? 

yet? 

yet?

neera lol. 

Like driving a car with one gear^^^

^voted for W. loves biden. 

Nope. You keep trying tho, cupcake 

you said it. 

Thanks for confirming my point, tho

Biden just lobbed some bombs on Syria.  'Merica fuck yeah!

air strikes in syria. 

$15 wage increase removed. 

this is exactly how the dems lose the midterms and general. 

sad. 

Same as it ever was.

but fuck Bernie, bro.

^true. 

hey blue maga -- is your yas queen kamala gonna use her power and keep true to her promise to raise the minimum wage? 

do you even care any longer? lol. 

or will she listen to some unelected asshole? 

this is going pretty rough for biden so far. 

are they even going to pass any relief? if they do, are they actually gonna pass less money than what trump did? 

they gonna let that asshole say he provided more for the people than biden? rough. 

this is going very badly for the dems, and they control the entire govt. 

there is no excuse, lumber. none. 

>or will she listen to some unelected asshole<

Democrats can try, but Manchin and Sinema will block it.

>there is no excuse, lumber. none<

I know that you have difficulty understanding this, but it doesn't pass without Manchin and Sinema. 

Or are you still insisting that Biden can force them to vote a particular way?

>are they even going to pass any relief<

It passed the house. Now all 50 Democratic senators must vote for it, for Senate approval. 

Seriously, they should toss the filibuster. Sure, that could come around and bite them in the ass at some future date, but it's totally undemocratic and has to go.

^Sinema and Manchin have publicly stated their opposition to eliminating the filibuster. 

I know. 

Say it again.

sinema is up in 2024. 

biden must dare them to vote against america. 

biden must work his hardest to unseat sinema, and make it clear that it'll happen if mother fucker doesn't get on board. 

this is how it works. 

^I agree. 

Toomey's seat is up in 2022, a Democrat winning that seat could help. 34 senate seats up in 2022... 14 currently held by a Democrat,  20 by a Republican. 

Lol, when they are from a red or barely blue state, it really isn't how it works. 

the working class are becoming republicans...

Yep.  People are sick of working to pay the government.  

see texas for repercussions...

>working class (white folks)are becoming republicans

Your whiney ass could afford a home in texas.  No income tax?  Say whaaaaat?  You're not that smart though,  keep paying your masters.

you get what you pay for tough guy.

It may be the devil or it may be the Lord, but you're gonna have to serve somebody. Who's your master, Racket?

No taxes vs a $10,000 power bill for 3 days - I'll take the taxes.

If you think that white working class people are voting Rep because of taxes, you're a dope.

Some of you don't talk to people in california.