0 cases and 0 deaths reported in Sweden 9/10/2020

Don't fall off the fence. 

"By all accounts, Sweden’s high rate of coronavirus deaths was evidence that the country had made a horrendous error. Sweden – which did not impose a strict lockdown – suffered 543 deaths per million of its population, compared to just 105 in neighboring Denmark. The Swedish death toll has been roughly 11 times worse than Norway’s, on a per capita basis." 

https://www.businessinsider.nl/sweden-coronavirus-cases-deaths-fall-not-...

Hmmmm, I don't know. 

...

What's your source? The story I read on Reuters says that positive tests in Sweden last week were 1.2%, which is low, but it's not zero.

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden carried out a record number of new coronavirus tests last week with only 1.2% coming back positive, the health agency said on Tuesday, the lowest rate since the pandemic began at a time when countries across Europe are seeing surges in infections.

Sweden avoided a lockdown and instead emphasized personal responsibility, social distancing and good hygiene in a bid to slow rather than eradicate a disease deemed here to stay.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-strategy/po...

Sweden's population is roughly twice that of their neighbor, Finland.  Compared to Finland,  Sweden has 10 times the number of cases and 17 times the number of dead. 

Well, we'll see in a few months. If the rates drop of dramatically, in the states like Texas, Florida, Alabama, etc, where they are currently through the roof, then I guess we'll know.

Meanwhile, here in VT we have the lowest rates in the country. People take mask-wearing seriously. I'd say that there's a direct correlation.

Sweden's per capita death rate so far is the tenth highest in the world:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide...

Belgium, Spain, Italy, and the UK are the only European countries with a higher per capita death rate.   The US and several countries in South America round out the top 10.   

For a nuanced understanding, I think you need to take into account the timing of the mandates, and not just whether they were issued or not.

Nuanced understanding be damned!

Has herd immunity really been verified for COVID?

They had 200 new cases just yesterday and 314 cases on the 9th, 239 on the 8th, etc.  Way more than 200 cases in Sept.

Also their antibody rate is 17% so a long long way from herd immunity.

>>>>>>Has herd immunity really been verified for COVID? 

No and because the disease mutates the only way we'll likely achieve herd immunity is through mass vaccination of the population.

Sweden has had 11 COVID deaths in September.  Are you just making up stats?

That Reuters article mentioned that Sweden did a record number of tests of coronavirus tests last week. More testing likely means that people are receiving treatment sooner, and that could explain why they're getting out of hospitals sooner.

Timpane wrong again? Man, I was rooting for him to be right this time. 

If 11 most deaths per capita is good, then I guess so.

at least they have health care...

true. america: if you can't pay for it then you don't deserve to have it. 

Yeah, and if you kill off the old and sick, you save a ton on healthcare costs over the next decade or so.

So when are you moving to Sweden 

A problem with this kind of speculation is that it's really not possible to precisely define a phenomenon that's still underway. Historians will write the fullest story of COVID-19, and all we can do is guess about it while it's happening.

A phenomenon is just something that happens.

https://www.google.com/search?q=phenomenon

>>>>>They didn't have to destroy their economy to do it.

Sweden's economy is doing worse than it's neighboring countries and had its biggest GDP drop since 1980.  I think your phones still broken.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-w...

lol

That's a weird way of saying you were wrong.

>>>>>better than places that imposed lockdowns and masks

Sure but the poverty levels in Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, and Chile are way more extreme than Sweden so that's not really a great comparison and The USA never had any National lockdown or even a strategy either.

>> Have the lockdowns and face coverings actually helped as much as we think in preventing the spread or is it just smoke and mirrors? <<

You mean like using inaccurate and misleading stats?

They knew that masks help prevent the spread of airborne diseases in 1918.  It's a shame our country ignored the obvious and told States to do whatever they wanted and actively encouraged people to not wear masks.

Timpy isn't wrong, his phone is broken.

The Inuit tribes in Canada have very low cases/deaths. 

What's the commonality with Sweden? They both aren't on the way to anywhere. Transient velocity/volume matter.

On First Nations reserves in provinces, as of September 10, ISC is aware of:

491 confirmed positive COVID-19

42 hospitalizations

429 recovered cases

9 deaths

Case numbers per region:

British Columbia: 85

Alberta: 204

Saskatchewan: 92

Manitoba: 1

Ontario: 64

Quebec: 44

Provincial chief public health officers work with ISC's regional medical officers and nurses to provide medical support as needed when a positive case is reported.

As of July 31:

The percentage of First Nations individuals living on reserve reported positive for COVID-19 is currently one-quarter the rate of the general Canadian population

The COVID-19 case fatality rate for First Nations individuals living on reserve is about one-fifth that of the fatality rate in the general Canadian population

More than 80% of those testing positive for COVID-19 have recovered

First Nations communities are flattening the curve

>> They haven't been used since, not during any other outbreak or pandemic. <<

You're kidding, right? SARS had all of eastern Asia in masks.

Every pandemic affects the poor way more than everyone else. They are the ones working the "essential" jobs at gas stations, convenience stores, grocery stores, etc. They also tend to live with more people. So, you have 5 people in an apartment, and each one goes to a job with a lot of human contact. So much for social distancing. When you're living day to day, you don't have the luxury of doing 2 weeks worth of grocery shopping and you go out more often. The poorest parts of NYC were hit the hardest.

>>>>They haven't been used since

Wrong again.  

Tell that to every Asian country, or doctor in a hospital.

>>>>>They haven't been used since

Yes and with this disease being spread by asymptomatic people wearing a mask is a great precaution to slow the spread.

So what we’re all saying is that we really haven’t an actual clue if anything worked and that the internet has just given us the ability to find a statistic or article to support any claim we wish to believe 

>>>>Timmy, take a look at the statistics of the Spanish influenza. Mask didn't prevent anything at all. 

Because they were not used widely and well enough to make much of a difference.

https://update.lib.berkeley.edu/2020/05/23/did-masks-work-the-1918-flu-p...

Anything else you need me to fact check?

>>>>>>>>I get that people want to compare coronavirus to the Spanish influenza because they can't get out of their bubble of fear but there's really no comparison at all in deaths or cases.

Well we've had a few advances in medicine in the last hundred years.

>>>>>>it didn't stop the spread in places like nyc or New Jersey.

really?  New Jersey started mandated mask wearing in mid April

Here's the stats in case your phone is still broken

>>>>>Mask were worn by sick people. Same in hospitals pre Covid. They were for patients who were ill.

So the doctors operating on people are ill themselves?

Let me ask you this, Timpane: if I put you in a 5x5 glass box with a COVID positive dude, and you had the choice of putting on a 2-ply poly-cotton mask or no mask at all, what would you choose to do?

>>>>Jerseyland death per capita worse than Sweden.

Worse than every country in Europe.  Every country in Europe had a national strategy.  We're the only country to not have one and people move freely from state to state.

> Timpy isn't wrong, his phone is broken.

His phone has been broken for a while, I'd say.

That's not a choice, Timpane. Poly-cotton or none? Based on what you've been saying, I'm gathering that you'd go bare back.

When looming at all the new positive tests, it's really important to look at the demographics. Sure, there may be 500 new cases today in NJ, but where were they? How many of those were college students, who we know are less likely to wear masks and follow protocols? How many were in people who wear masks, maintain physical distance, and give a shit?

But nuances are hard, BK. Oversimplification of a complex situation is a much easier way to go.

Nuances aren't that hard, as long as the flip phone isn't broken.

https://vivalazone.org/comment/286951#comment-286951

I've said it before and i'll say it again: The far left has much more in common with the far right then they do with me. 

>>>>I offer a different take on the subject, Timmy.

lol

I'll say.  A wrong one complete with false statistics.

> https://vivalazone.org/comment/286951#comment-286951

Nice job of memorialization there, Hoover, and one of the slickest thread bumps I've seen in a while.

I like your unique take on the "anti mask" thing. You're just anti anything that's not at least N 95.

Lol

yep it's all a hoax from big mask to make money.  I never said masks were effective at stopping the Spanish Flu, I said they understood masks could slow transmission and posted a link to a study saying that didn't work because not enough people did wear one among many other reasons.

You on the other hand have been incorrect in almost everything you've posted in this thread starting with the title.

L

And just because you keep saying Sweden's economy weathered this just fine it doesn't make it correct.  They suffered more economically than their neighboring countries.  I guess with a broken phone you couldn't click on the links refuting your false statements.

Timpie, you can use this to count the deaths each day. Not a day where someone hasn't died. And don't forget to calculate for per capita averages. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105753/cumulative-coronavirus-death...

I think Scandinavians and Europeans are much more likely to follow a suggested course of action than most of us spoiled “can’t tell me what to do” Americans, therefore the outcome still would have been terrible here if we did nothing 

Okay, I was wrong. See how easy that is. Now you try. 

Making friends wherever he goes...lol

No worries, timpane - but I was commenting on floops not you.

>Right now the nba is using the pod immunity tactic to run their playoffs. That's been successful for them as well <

The NBA is locked in a bubble. All personnel were tested, quarantined, and now are must remain isolated from the general public. If someone tests positive, or breaks protocol, they are sent home. It's a lock down of healthy, uninfected individuals.

One more time: the mask is to protect others from you, if you have Covid but are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. If you have symptoms stay home.

Sure, a bandana or 1-ply gaiter does little to nothing. However, 2 and 3 ply masks do, as do the ones with the charcoal filter inserts.

How much do they stop? I do t really know and I don't really care. If I'm wearing one and everyone else is, it has to stop more than nothing.

At the end of the day, for me, the mask isn't a huge inconvenience. I wear it to the store and when I leave my office at work.

If you need hard scientific data on exactly how many cases of Covid masks have or haven't stopped, you're not going to get it. If you use critical thinking, you see that most masks do something positive, and the more people that wear them, the better. Better safe than sorry.

I think that everyone needs to remember that masks and physical distancing are not meant to eradicate the virus. They flatten the curve. The cases will be there, but over a longer period of time. It will allow for better medical care, better therapies, and maybe even a vaccine.

The notion that the shutdown, massive unemployment, financial hardships and all that shit is some conspiracy is simply absurd. It's not a Bezos/Walton scheme for world domination. Yeah, maybe, out of fear, we went a little far with some of the shutdown stuff, but we live and learn.

collapse is full effect. the us government despises us. it's going to get way worse imo. 

this is why the dems and republicans chose not to help the public. 

>Most infections are transmitted by symptomatic individuals<

 Not in the US...

A recent summary of the latest data by the CDC shows that about two-thirds of the COVID-19 transmissions in the U.S. come from people not showing symptoms – either because their cases are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. According to the CDC, this “underscores the importance of social distancing, including the avoidance of congregate settings, to reduce COVID-19 spread.

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/resources/covid-19-faqs-for-healt...

His phone is broken

Such a long, long time to be wrong, and short time to be right...

Box of Timpy

What kind of bubble does someone have to be in to not understand the masks are to prevent transmission to others, specifically when asymptomatic, and not to protect oneself? The 3-ply cloth masks have been shown to reduce aerosol transmissions by 99%.

But, but...the OSHA guy down at the Union Hall said...

Can someone please explain to me who a full collapse of our economic system will benefit?

It will benefit small artisan pizza shops in the northeast

bk, the billionaires are making out quite well during the pandemic -- in fact, setting all types of record profits in such little time. 

so you think the fed helped the public? 

would the billionaires continue to make out quite well if our economic system totally collapses?
without consumers how would they continue to do quite well?

if our economic system totally collapses - there will be no consumers as they will all have no money or assets, nor a marketplace to consume in

capitalism relies on consumers to exist

I think this is covered in econ 101

> you think the fed helped the public?

The $1200 check I got a few months back sure came in handy, as did the extra $600 a week unemployment for a class that got canceled last spring.

^we're so conditioned to getting fucked, crumbs are acceptable. really sad. 

^ plus the Federal Reserve has kept rates rates down for everyone, which helped us get out of the 2008 shit show economy. They have stated they will not raise rates even with signs of economic recovery.

damn...

another one bites the dust.

>>> This isn't any kind of political thread either so please keep the politics to the 1000 other threads about politics, thanks. <<<

haha

ogkb, I'm having  a hard time reconciling your comments about crumbs wth the radical progressive stuff you usually spout around here. The crumbs comment makes you sound like just another bougie elitist.

Millionaires always do well. Billionaires do better.

That doesn't explain the theory that it was all manufactured to benefit the few.

By the way, it wasn't really crumbs. It was more of a, "let them eat cake," thing (which may be worse, at this point).

Or maybe a "let them eat the crusts of a $40 pizza" thing, but either way it sounds like something Trump and his ilk would say.

^you support the people that rubber stamp all trump policy. 

nothing radical about what i post -- if you think support for m4a, gnd, is radical -- it's come to the point where it's kind of a fuck you. 

go ahead, attack what i do for a living. don't matter. 

 >>>>>it wasn't really crumbs. It was more of a, "let them eat cake," thing

Two trivial points; 

Marie A. prob. never said "Let them eat cake".

Even if she had, the meaning at that time would prob.have been not "Let them eat more expensive pastry products", but "Let them eat the caked on residue (crumbs) from the bread ovens".

So it was both.

> you support the people that rubber stamp all trump policy

Bernie Sanders rubber stamps all Trump policy? Huh. That's news to me.

When Bernie does it, it's because he knows how to play in the system. When anyone else does, it's because they are co-conspirators.

Damn you, Surf, for ruining my epic historical myth.

<. the us government despises us.  >

So who is this government you speak of? 

Must be some cabal at the top of the chain, cause the Balto / DC area is full of Federal workers.... and I can attest there are hippies, freaks, Deadheads, and people of all political, ethnic, racial, etc persuasions doing the work.

I don't really think the the average government worker at Social Security or the IRS or NIH or HUD despises you or is out to screw you. You know what I mean?  Federal employees are just average people just trying to get by, too. They do eat an inordinate amount of doughnuts, though.

So what are you really saying? You just sound stupid.

And who are "us?" 

What the fug are you people talking about? 

The conspiracy of Amazon, Target, and the big mask lobby destroying the US economy

Sweden, masks, broken phones, crumbs, and stupidity. The usual stuff.

Timpane, what do you think of Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, or New Zealands handling of the virus?  Those seem like better models to follow than the failure in Sweden. 

<<<>>>When Bernie does it, it's because he knows how to play in the system. When anyone else does, it's because they are co-conspirators.

is that what you think? 

strange. 

i saw jerry in sweden....

That was a beautiful link you just made there Turtle.

Some fine Zoning.

does heater really sell $50 pizzas? 

thanks man.

I thought I saw Jerry in an IKEA once, but that's not really the same, is it?

he probably would've loved the meatballs...

No doubt. He was certainly no stranger to appetizers.

Unbelievable to me there are still masks don't work believers.

A very simple most excellent video. Again..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=6s&v=x6cTDGqcUpA

> here's what the WHO says

In the third paragraph under Implications for Preventing Transmission from the link you provided, Timpane:

Given that infected people without symptoms can transmit the virus, it is also prudent to encourage the use of fabric face masks in public places where there is community transmission [1] and where other prevention measures, such as physical distancing, are not possible.(12) Fabric masks, if made and worn properly, can serve as a barrier to droplets expelled from the wearer into the air and environment.(12) However, masks must be used as part of a comprehensive package of preventive measures, which includes frequent hand hygiene, physical distancing when possible, respiratory etiquette, environmental cleaning and disinfection. Recommended precautions also include avoiding indoor crowded gatherings as much as possible, in particular when physical distancing is not feasible, and ensuring good environmental ventilation in any closed setting. (92, 93)

"Given that infected people without symptoms can transmit the virus" does not mean "the spread through asymptotic people is unknown".

Maybe you haven't heard, Timpane, but reading is FUNdamental.

Hey Timp the state did not force your wife's school to open, the district chose to. Facts please. 

 As of earlier this week, 180 school districts across the state have alerted DOE that they plan to submit to begin the 2020-2021 school year with all-remote learning, while 59 districts plan to fully reopen and the remaining districts are moving forward with a hybrid mix of in-person and remote learning, Gov. Phil Murphy said.

https://www.nj.com/education/2020/08/list-of-nj-school-districts-plannin...

> Mike they actually say it's unknown

Dude, you're a mess. They say "the extent of truly asymptomatic infection in the community remains unknown" (emphasis added by me). That's under the section titled SARS-CoV-2 Infected Persons Without Symptoms Can Also Infect Others.

They chose to open Timp. They could have easily gone for the hybrid model. They also had to submit a plan for state approval to be able to open. I don't see that as the state washing their hands.  Other than Trump and Devoss threatening,  no money has been pulled. This is a list of the districts fully open. I'm not seeing any of the cities who take big subsidies on the list. Mainly towns in the sticks and a few Republican areas of Monmouth County.  Sucks for your wife but don't make it sound like her situation is the majority of what is going on here. 

Atlantic
Margate City School District

Burlington
Beverly City School
New Hanover Township
North Hanover Township School District
Riverton School District
Southampton Township School District
Springfield Township School District
Woodland Township School District
Hampton Academy

Camden
Berlin Borough School District
LARC School

Cape May
North Wildwood School District
West Cape May Elementary School District
Wildwood Crest Borough School District

Cumberland
Creative Achievement Academy

Hudson
North Hudson Academy

Hunterdon
Alexandria Township School District
Bethlehem Township School District
Califon Borough School District
Delaware Township School District
Frenchtown Borough School District
Hampton Borough School District
Holland Township School District
Kingwood Township School District
Lebanon Borough School District
Milford Borough School District

Mercer
New Grange School

Monmouth
Atlantic Highlands School District
Avon Boro School District
Bayshore Jointure Commission School District
Bradley Beach School District
Farmingdale Public School District
Highlands Borough School District
Monmouth Beach School District
Monmouth-Ocean Educational Services Commission School District
Red Bank Charter School
Roosevelt Borough Public School District
Sea Girt Borough School District
Spring Lake Heights School District
West Long Branch School District
Children’s Center of Monmouth Co.
Coastal Learning Center
Harbor School
Schroth School

Ocean
Lakewood Township School District

Passaic
Little Falls Township Public School District

Salem
Creativity CoLaboratory Charter School
Elsinboro Township School District
Pennsville Public School District
Salem City School District
The Lower Alloways Creek School District
Strang School

Somerset
Bonnie Brae School
Center School
East Mountain School
Midland School
New Road School of Somerset

Sussex
Franklin Borough School District
Lakeland-Andover School

Union
Morris-Union Jointure Commission School District

Warren
Alpha Borough School District
Mansfield Township Elementary School District

Timpane is now posting links to prove how wrong he is.  Hilarious. 
 

Also, pretty sure nobody in the thread has suggested wearing a mask is to protect themselves (that's just Timpanes straw man to try and get at least one thing correct).  People wear them to prevent spreading it in case they may be an asymptomatic carrier.

There's 184 countries that have fared better than Sweden but yeah let's pretend their the gold standard 

Maybe I've missed this through all of Timpane's arguments that most masks don't actually help minimize the spread of the virus, but my question is - even if they don't HELP, does it HURT anything to wear them?

Because it seems to me that if there is no real downside to everyone wearing a mask, then everyone being forced to wear one is at the very least a constant visceral reminder to all of us that we're all in the middle of this thing and we need to be very careful in general when we're around other people. I think the masks help people remember to be diligent about distance when we're at the store or wherever, and if that's true then even if the masks are more placebo than real help, what's wrong with that?

Also Mr. pane, again maybe I'm not getting what you've been saying in all these threads, but are you suggesting that all the shutdowns, distancing & masks etc. have been a tragic mistake and we should all just be living our normal lives to create herd immunity? That I should be able to go to the 49ers game tomorrow with 65,000 drunken, screaming people? That there should be shows in the Grate Room with 400 people smashed into that little room that's crowded with 300?

Or maybe you're saying that just older, more susceptible people should shut down/distance, and everyone else should be packing venues, stores, restaurants, schools, etc. 

I have no educated opinion on any of this, but I am one of those dreaded "older" white people, and I'll be honest, all those stories & images of very sick people in the halls of over-full ICU's, the freezer trucks lined up to take the overflow of bodies and the mass graves did make this old white person just a bit frightened.

This thread should go down as Timpane's crowning glory.

I think we might need to add In Sweden to the PZ Dictionary too. It's almost like a substitute for rainbows and unicorns.

This thread  is a shining example of how Russian disinformation/propaganda also gets swallowed up and repackaged by the far left. Those pesky ruskies are psychological masters when it comes to understanding how to create division. Masks are bad and Antifa are lighting fires....

>>> You can go to a target where thousands of people flood everyday and wear a mask the whole time and still get the virus. <<<

But, if everyone else were wearing a mask the odds are much, much better that you won't.

It seems like people are working to be right in this thread, but there are a lot of different topics on this thread to be right about. Mine is, if you're not wearing a mask that has been found to prevent the spread of aerosolized virus, like a double or triple cloth mask, not just a neck gaiter or bandana), you are helping me. Why the fuck not? It's not all about protecting you. And, thank you.

From CDC site:

COVID-19 in Hong Kong

CDC recommends travelers avoid all nonessential international travel to Hong Kong. Travelers at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19 should consider postponing all travel, including essential travel, to Hong Kong.

COVID-19 risk in Hong Kong is high.

baby bitch is well beyond a mess

petty amazing how one can be so proud of being such an uncompromising idiot  >competing for the stubbornness ( loser) award - (tied with 2 others I can think of     a bernie bot and a  trump bot - so there is a balance there >

crowning glory --- depending on what your goal is

amazeballs

Surfdead, is Hong Kong even letting Americans in?  For a while there was only 3 countries letting Americans in.  Right now it's about 35 out of 195 countries that are letting Americans travel there.

Looks like Sweden started letting Americans travel there again on August 31 but the US is advising against it.

>>is that what you think? 

strange. 

 No, but your buddy Timpane said it, though I'm sure he'll deny it. 

Our various government factions made the decision to lock into COVID so fast and so early, that any critical thinking or alternative viewpoints were tossed out the window. It's like a battleship that wants to turn make a u-turn. Just incapable. Goal posts have been moved time and time again and there are a thousand federal, state and local regulations in place that are mostly arbitrary and ultimately, just cancel each other out. The amount of lives that have been economically and psychologically damaged exponentially outstrips the virus. The control machine needs to be smashed but we're locked in tight, we're out of range. 

Timp doesn't believe in the Covid science but does believe that  there are pedophile rings operating out of pizza joints. Hmm..

>>>>>Our various government factions made the decision to lock into COVID so fast and so early, that any critical thinking or alternative viewpoints were tossed out the window

No, they delayed and dithered until a coherent response was impossible.

>>>>>Goal posts have been moved time and time again and there are a thousand federal, state and local regulations in place that are mostly arbitrary and ultimately, just cancel each other out. 

Due to lack of leadership and mis- and disinformation from the WH.

>>>>>The amount of lives that have been economically and psychologically damaged exponentially outstrips the virus.

Dunno about that, but if true, it's because Bitch McYertle has stymied all attempts to provide a decent recovery and stimulus package.

>>>>>The control machine needs to be smashed

Pretty sure this crisis required more control, not less.

Surfdead just knocked it out of the park.  

bernie is an old worthless sellout and masks don't work. 

I have to admit, the mask thing at the football games is hilarious. Players don't wear them, but refs do. Coaches wear them, but pulled down. Although there's virtually no one in the crowds, the 2 people in the owner's box are wearing them, and they are 10 feet apart.

>>> I'm honestly just wondering what other people think. I kinda think we're 50% right and 50% wrong. <<<

science 100% right

paintchips 100% wrong

lol @ the paintchips. That's just so wrong, and just exactly perfect at the same time.

interesting...i can get a special visa for indo for $1200 AUS....

you can pay off the virus.

Yeah you can go to Cambodia too but you have to put down a $3000 deposit in case you die so they can bury you.

That sounds like the space monkeys in Fight Club needing to have $500 for burial money just in case.

My niece in Vermont just got a student via to study in New Zealand - she has to have a Covid test before boarding the flight and quarantine upon arrival.  Getting a tourist visa is a whole different story - those are pretty much out of the question for Americans. 
 

America has become a laughing stock over our handling of Covid, and Trump in general 

Costa Rica is allowing Americans in, but only from a few states. There are forms to fill out, IDs to present, tests to be had, and some quarantining to be done, but it's doable.

Wow, State by State restrictions, who would have guessed?!

Masking

any hope of intelligent behavior

proud to be an (independent thinker?)

LLTD, I'm going to go ahead and give you a three-minute penalty in the box for wanton and needless insulting, ok?

Keep it classy, buddy. Haikus and insults don't go well together.

I approve of this thread.

>I'm going to go ahead and give you a three-minute penalty in the box<

Come on, Javs, we've been over this...

2 minute minor

5 minute major 

10 minute misconduct 

Game misconduct 

Penalty shot

Damn.

I'll give myself 2 minutes...

It's understandable, Javs, I assume that ice hockey is not very popular in the Southern Hemisphere 

Nice javs made chuckle

I debated pressing  post 

penalty accepted yes

5,7,5.   No nature referenced 

No zinger in first line ,  well masking is a double entande  (spelling latitude)

complimenting you may classify as zinger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku

also thank you trucks 

I should slow the f down 

calm the f down 

meditate 

.  Connect w nature .   And beauty 

and try composing

>>~ I should slow it down (5)

ending overreacting (7)

find love and beauty (5)

Ain't no time to hate

maybe reconciliate 

and do something kind today 

Haiku are obscure 

Difficult to understand 

Refrigerator 

-Chris Chandler 

Or is it...

Haiku are obscure

Often hard to understand 

Refrigerator 

- Chris Chandler 

I don't remember which is correct.

Flowers bloom by day

stealing glances from me

Thank you, sweet garden

^^  thataboy  oops 

5  7  5

Flowers bloom by day

stealing fond glances from me

Thank you, sweet garden

Damn, I dun' fucked it up. I guess I get 5 in the box this time 

Bandanas look the coolest. We have all the colors. 

bandanas look cool

preventative in practice

raising awareness

I like tanka poems more than haiku: 5-7-5-7-7

Mask conspiracy

Big suckers, the lot of you

Not OSHA approved 

Ruled by fear, unable to think

Feeding Bezos and Walton

You didn't answer my question Timpane. 

Even if you're right that most masks serve no real purpose at stopping the virus, what does it HURT for people to wear whatever type of mask?

And do you dispute that everyone wearing some type of face covering in public is at least an obvious visual reminder to all of us to keep our distance, for when we get lazy in public and forget for a moment?

I don't watch all those stupid "news" channels, so I can't say if they are selling fear.

Do you watch them, Timpy, or are you just repeating someone else's opinions?

I think that most would agree with you on the points that the media sucks, and that t-shirts and bandanas aren't great face coverings. It's all the other shit that you seem to lose everyone on.

I don't care what makes a good face covering. I am not initiating contact. I wear something to be compliant so I don't get shot. 

Ever the victim slacker.

poor guy.  Someone please save him from his misery.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/14/anti-maskers-forced-to-dig-graves-for-covi...

Well, that right there is a good enough reason to wear a mask, if you ask me.

>>>>>Lol, BK. It seems most of you here don't agree with my opinion so whom would I be stealing it from? Right now I don't use any social media aside from Viva and very rarely instagram and the only kinda of articles I see are on yahoo when I check my email. It's usually a misleading picture along with an anxiety driven headline of some sort and it may not have anything to do with the actual content of the article. I can easily be engulfed and sucked into the hyped up drama as well but I don't indulge too much anymore. 

"I don't pay attention to anything but I know everything"

>>>>> Denmark now total case number is higher than Sweden.

Your phone's still broken or you're really bad at math.

Total cases:

Denmark - 21,009

Sweden - 87,575

About 20 of my neighbors were out celebrating the clean air - it's the little things - last night. Not one person wearing a mask, or social distancing while doing tequilas shots. On the one had it was nice to see everyone outside and back to normal, on the other hand we're in the middle of a pandemic and these  intelligent folks are dumb as shit when it comes to Covid.  They think that they're somehow immune in this neighborhood bubble, which is a joke cause each and everyone of them have multiple bubbles.

  i suppose when when of them gets  Covid they might wake the fuck up and realize that  they and their young kids - and others in the community -  aren't immune from this deadly virus. I guess  the worst is knowing that behavior like this is happening all over the country, which means COVID hospitalizations and deaths will  increase for many more months. 

Total deaths:

Denmark - 633

Sweden - 5,860

Denmark has had numerous 0 death days and the last time they has a daily double digit death number was May 10th with 10 deaths.

Denmark more closely resembles the good example of handling the situation you were trying to portray Sweden as being.

US passed Italy and Sweden in deaths per million and we will soon pass the UK. Look out Spain we are coming for you. 

USA USA USA. 

Trump on the topic of masks at the town hall last night:

“Now there is — by the way, a lot of people don’t want to wear masks,” he said. “There are a lot of people think the masks are not good. And there are a lot of people that as an example —”

“Who are those people?” Stephanopoulos asked.

“Well, I’ll tell you who those people are,” Trump replied.

One might have expected Trump at this point to elevate the various groups of people who have protested mask mandates. Embracing those protests would be tricky for Trump, given that he and his team have insisted that he’s following the science on the coronavirus and the science makes clear (as Bard said) that mask-wearing is a critical tool. But at least it would have made sense as a bit of political rhetoric.

Instead, Trump pointed to another group: “Waiters.”

“They come over and they serve you, and they have a mask,” Trump said. “And I saw it the other day where they were serving me. And they’re playing with the mask— I’m not blaming them. I’m just saying what happens. They’re playing with the mask. So the mask is over, and they’re touching it, and then they’re touching the plate. That can’t be good.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/15/parsing-trumps-baffli...

What a maroon.

I'll take please wear a mask for $200 Alex.

The problem with masks.

That's not a problem with masks, that's a problem with people.

Fuckin' people.

It looks like masks are the new used condoms.

Still new cases and deaths in Sweden and their economy is still suffering worse than neighboring countries that took stricter measures.

What was that, Timmy? My phone seems to be broken.

The strict measures China took have proven successful and continue to keep the country virtually Covid free.

Sweden fucked up, bigly. 

Instead of guessing try looking at the science.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-...

 >...The country’s cumulative death rate since the beginning of the pandemic rivals that of the United States, with its shambolic response. And the virus took a shocking toll on the most vulnerable. It had free rein in nursing homes, where nearly 1000 people died in a matter of weeks. Stockholm’s nursing homes ended up losing 7% of their 14,000 residents to the virus. The vast majority were not taken to hospitals. Although infections waned over the summer, scientists worry a new wave will hit in the fall. Cases are rising rapidly in the greater Stockholm area, where almost one-quarter of the Swedish population lives..

Only 22 in Denmark in September